Iowa State-Cincinnati in a battle

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Now-11th ranked Cyclones perhaps exposed a bit against Iowa? Unfortunately we just couldn't finish the deal.

Granted they have played 3 pretty good teams in each game (Cincy is ranked 22nd and they're hosting).

79-78, Bearcats lead with 28.5 seconds to go.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Nader buries a 3 from the corner with 11 seconds to go.

81-79, ISU

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Yep, hard fought victory for Iowa State. Cincinnati had a couple chances at the end. Good game.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Cincinnati gets 3 different looks, including two from the 3-pt line, but can't connect. Cyclones win, 81-79.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Good game, Cinci looked sluggish tonight at times. I have a hard time believing they are a top 25 team. I know they are always physical and athletic, but they didn't look the part tonight.

ISU played well down the stretch and hit some big shots. Like one of the guys on ESPN said, "this team is good, but wonders about how they will be able to handle the Sat/Mon schedule of the Big 12." Said they only go about 7 deep and those quick turnarounds could hurt the legs and they will be tested night in and night out.

Who in the hell would schedule a Sat/Mon Schedule? That doesn't give ya much time to rest.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Good game, Cinci looked sluggish tonight at times. I have a hard time believing they are a top 25 team. I know they are always physical and athletic, but they didn't look the part tonight.

ISU played well down the stretch and hit some big shots. Like one of the guys on ESPN said, "this team is good, but wonders about how they will be able to handle the Sat/Mon schedule of the Big 12." Said they only go about 7 deep and those quick turnarounds could hurt the legs and they will be tested night in and night out.

Who in the hell would schedule a Sat/Mon Schedule? That doesn't give ya much time to rest.

If I recall correctly, one of the criticisms I used to hear about Lute Olsen when he was at Iowa was he had a very short bench. The difference is 30-40 years ago you could get away with only going 6 or 7 deep because the pace of the game was much slower. I don't think basketball was as physical and grueling back then as it is today, either. In short, it isn't likely that Iowa State is going to have much left in the tank come March if they continue to only go 7 deep.

 

[Tclone99]

Good game, Cinci looked sluggish tonight at times. I have a hard time believing they are a top 25 team. I know they are always physical and athletic, but they didn't look the part tonight.

ISU played well down the stretch and hit some big shots. Like one of the guys on ESPN said, "this team is good, but wonders about how they will be able to handle the Sat/Mon schedule of the Big 12." Said they only go about 7 deep and those quick turnarounds could hurt the legs and they will be tested night in and night out.

Who in the hell would schedule a Sat/Mon Schedule? That doesn't give ya much time to rest.

You serious Clark? That looked like an extremely impressive and aggressive front court to me.

You should always be pleased when you get a win on the road against a good team despite shooting a lower percentage from the field. That bodes well.

Depth is obviously the issue for the Cyclones this year. Prohm's game plans seem to be very cognizant of that deficiency. It'll be a rollercoaster ride but when the Cyclones are clicking they're really really good.

 

[DanL53]

If I recall correctly, one of the criticisms I used to hear about Lute Olsen when he was at Iowa was he had a very short bench. The difference is 30-40 years ago you could get away with only going 6 or 7 deep because the pace of the game was much slower. I don't think basketball was as physical and grueling back then as it is today, either. In short, it isn't likely that Iowa State is going to have much left in the tank come March if they continue to only go 7 deep.

Didn't have all the TV timeouts for much of Olson's stay at Iowa. And before the shot clock teams actually had to play defense for long stretches and that isn't easy. The pace of the game was not slower.

However, the game was far less physical.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Didn't have all the TV timeouts for much of Olson's stay at Iowa. And before the shot clock teams actually had to play defense for long stretches and that isn't easy. The pace of the game was not slower.

However, the game was far less physical.

Good points on the TV timeouts and pre-shot clock era. I would disagree, though, that the pace wasn't slower. And, to the point on not having a shot clock, that allowed for teams (made famous by Dean Smith) to hold the ball and throw it back in forth around the perimeter for long stretches of time. Big difference not having to run up and down the court consistently or having to be ready to play transition defense at all times.

 

[DanL53]

Notice how slender those guys were. Some of these big guys today would be on the ground back then.

 

[Chewback]

If I recall correctly, one of the criticisms I used to hear about Lute Olsen when he was at Iowa was he had a very short bench. The difference is 30-40 years ago you could get away with only going 6 or 7 deep because the pace of the game was much slower. I don't think basketball was as physical and grueling back then as it is today, either. In short, it isn't likely that Iowa State is going to have much left in the tank come March if they continue to only go 7 deep.

Yeah if you're going four corners all the time you don't burn a lot of energy.

 

[Tclone99]

When have they shown that? They haven't exactly played a murderer's row schedule, and have played a lot of close games against a lot of mediocre teams.

Well I'd say when they erased a 20 point deficit at home against the Hawkeyes for one. Just how mediocre do you think Iowa is? I thought it was a senior laden club with a great coach. Not going to get better next year.

Also if you watched the first half tonight it was pretty impressive. This team plays fast and it does not rely on the 3-ball like many people believe. I don't know how far this ISU team can go. They've been very inconsistent. They're 10-1, though, and they've played some good teams. The way they're constructed it's extremely difficult for most teams to match up with them player for player.

 

[Lone Clone]

When have they shown that? They haven't exactly played a murderer's row schedule, and have played a lot of close games against a lot of mediocre teams.

They were behind some team by 20 in the second half this year and clicked pretty well from that point forward.

But you're correct, that they haven't really blown out many teams this year. Even a couple that were double-digit wins were pretty competitive for most of the game.

I interpreted the poster as saying that when they're on a run, they's pretty amazing, which is obviously true.

 

[Tclone99]

What the hell are you even talking about? Iowa is a lot worse than last year and will be a bubble team all year long. We are thoroughly mediocre and kicked your ass up and down the court all night long at your supposedly intimidating arena. And what the hell does next year have to do with anything?

This is such an intriguing phenomenon to me. You would rather tear down your own team than have to give credit to Iowa State. So weird.

I'm saying that if Iowa is mediocre this year they'll be even less than that next year barring a lot of unforeseen happenings (ISU is going to struggle next year too if that makes you feel better). I'm surprised you'd be so so willing to admit that I suppose. Doesn't bode well for your coach and program.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

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Notice how slender those guys were. Some of these big guys today would be on the ground back then.

Major emphasis on weight training these days and bulking up. As you pointed out earlier, the game was not as physical back then as it is today.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

This is such an intriguing phenomenon to me. You would rather tear down your own team than have to give credit to Iowa State. So weird.

I'm saying that if Iowa is mediocre this year they'll be even less than that next year barring a lot of unforeseen happenings (ISU is going to struggle next year too if that makes you feel better). I'm surprised you'd be so so willing to admit that I suppose. Doesn't bode well for your coach and program.

I don't think anybody knows how good Iowa or Iowa State will be this season come conference play. Lot of things to be encouraged by for both teams, but a lot of question marks and concerns as well.

 

[DanL53]

Major emphasis on weight training these days and bulking up. As you pointed out earlier, the game was not as physical back then as it is today.

Yes, we each have good points on the subject. One reason I posted the 4 corners because it does show how players could catch their wind. To me the big difference was a game that takes 2 1/2 hours to play today, (between television timeouts and official watching television to see if they blew a call), used to take more like 2 hours. And the scoring was much higher and so were the possessions per game.

The four corners was an offensive strategy that took place when a team had a big lead...no doubt about that.

 

[Tclone99]

I don't think anybody knows how good Iowa or Iowa State will be this season come conference play. Lot of things to be encouraged by for both teams, but a lot of question marks and concerns as well.

Agreed

 

[relishingwinning18]

This is such an intriguing phenomenon to me. You would rather tear down your own team than have to give credit to Iowa State. So weird.

I'm saying that if Iowa is mediocre this year they'll be even less than that next year barring a lot of unforeseen happenings (ISU is going to struggle next year too if that makes you feel better). I'm surprised you'd be so so willing to admit that I suppose. Doesn't bode well for your coach and program.

I personally, think this years Iowas team is better than last years team. Good win against cinn tonight. I really like Iowas front court next year with Baer, uhl, jones, Wagner, and cook. Jok and ellingson should play the 2 and 3, and our only questionmark will be pg. A mighty big question mark I might add. A step back imo.

 

[Tclone99]

I personally, think this years Iowas team is better than last years team. Good win against cinn tonight. I really like Iowas front court next year with Baer, uhl, jones, Wagner, and cook. Jok and ellingson should play the 2 and 3, and our only questionmark will be pg. A mighty big question mark I might add. A step back imo.

I wish I was as optimistic about next years Cyclone team. For us it's Matrou-Long, Thomas, Burton, Cooke and a bunch of unknowns. I never expect anything from guys that have never played at the high major level. its gonna be a huge step back for ISU.

 

[Kinky F]

What the hell are you even talking about? Iowa is a lot worse than last year and will be a bubble team all year long. We are thoroughly mediocre and kicked your ass up and down the court all night long at your supposedly intimidating arena. And what the hell does next year have to do with anything?

Kicked ISU's ass up and down the court all night long and lost? Not sure I've ever heard that before. Except from typical Hawk fans. If getting outscored in the 2nd half by 20 when it matters is considered kicking ass, I can understand why Iowa has won one NCAA tourney game in the last 14 years.

 

[relishingwinning18]

I wish I was as optimistic about next years Cyclone team. For us it's Thomas, Burton, Cooke and a bunch of unknowns. I never expect anything from guys that have never played at the high major level. its gonna be a huge step back for ISU.

pg is the most important position in bball, if Morris leaves, you guys could be in some trouble. It's also why I think we struggle next year. Niang is the glue of isu's last four years, replacing him is impossible.

 

[Tclone99]

pg is the most important position in bball, if Morris leaves, you guys could be in some trouble. It's also why I think we struggle next year. Niang is the glue of isu's last four years, replacing him is impossible.

Absolutely. He's the heart and soul of the program. He won't be replaced. I think it's 80% Morris leaves. It'll be an interesting year to say the least.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Absolutely. He's the heart and soul of the program. He won't be replaced. I think it's 80% Morris leaves. It'll be an interesting year to say the least.

When you leave, please take your retarded friend kinky with you.

 

[Tclone99]

ISU led for what, like 3 seconds in the whole game? For how much of the game did Iowa have a double digit lead? 80% of it?

Freaking dumbass Clown.

It's a 40 minute game. Both teams are aware of this fact when the contest begins. If one team builds a 20 point lead but ends up losing it means the opponent out scored the other team by 20 + 1 or more from that point on. Get what I'm saying?

Also... retard and dumbass?! Come on man.

 

[relishingwinning18]

This is not a discussion about next year, retard. And are you incapable of understanding how a fan can have an honest opinion of their own team? Pretty sure that Iowa hasn't gotten (or will get) a single vote in either poll this year, so bragging about a win over an unranked team, on your own floor, in a game where you were down by 20 freaking points, kind of makes you look like a retard.

And you wonder why we refer to you people as "Clowns."

We have votes right now.

 

[bettyhumpter]

I read on the ESPN recap of the game that Iowa State is now 12-120 all time on the road against ranked teams. Can that be right?

 

[Lone Clone]

I read on the ESPN recap of the game that Iowa State is now 12-120 all time on the road against ranked teams. Can that be right?

That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, if it doesn't count games on neutral courts. And I'd bet that virtually all the wins were in the past 15 years. The reason the term "Hilton Magic" was created was that ISU could beat anybody at home and nobody on the road. Cyclones under Orr would lose by 40 at Kansas, then beat the Beakers when they came to Ames.

 

[Lone Clone]

pg is the most important position in bball, if Morris leaves, you guys could be in some trouble. It's also why I think we struggle next year. Niang is the glue of isu's last four years, replacing him is impossible.

Niang isn't going to be replaced next year, or maybe for a lot of years after that, if we're talking about his overall value to the team.

Cyclones obviously are going to take a step backward next year, maybe a large step. But they aren't necessarily going to be chopped liver, and if Morris stays in town, they'll probably flirt with a ranking and be a shoo-in for the NCAA tournament.

Morris, Naz, Thomas, Cooke and Burton is not a bad foundation

 

[HawkStud22]

UNI gets smoked at Hawaii last night.

Yep, Clown U sure is an unbeatable monster of a team. LOL

 

[DavenportHawk8]

You serious Clark? That looked like an extremely impressive and aggressive front court to me.

You should always be pleased when you get a win on the road against a good team despite shooting a lower percentage from the field. That bodes well.

Depth is obviously the issue for the Cyclones this year. Prohm's game plans seem to be very cognizant of that deficiency. It'll be a rollercoaster ride but when the Cyclones are clicking they're really really good.

Sorry I was expecting the old Cinci bearcats. I remember when Iowa played them in the first round the NCAA and got curb stomped. That's what I thought I would see last night. They are good, don't get me wrong, but I just didn't think they were as physical as in the past.

That is a great road win, but UNI losing to Hawaii probably didnt' help that very much. UNI has lost some head scratchers this non-conf. They will have finish top 2 in the Valley now, they have a 2 bad losses in the non-conf and 2 good wins.

 

[Tclone99]

Sorry I was expecting the old Cinci bearcats. I remember when Iowa played them in the first round the NCAA and got curb stomped. That's what I thought I would see last night. They are good, don't get me wrong, but I just didn't think they were as physical as in the past.

That is a great road win, but UNI losing to Hawaii probably didnt' help that very much. UNI has lost some head scratchers this non-conf. They will have finish top 2 in the Valley now, they have a 2 bad losses in the non-conf and 2 good wins.

UNI played Saturday night, flew out to Hawaii and played a Tuesday night game that tipped at midnight on their internal clocks. That's tough. I saw they were 6-20 from three this morning. They shot 58% on Saturday.

 

[Pepperman]

Iowa State does something I'd love to see Iowa do. It's called winning games in crunch time. They rise to the occasion and we tend to wilt. It has happened two of the last three times they've played each other, in fact. And many, MANY times in recent conference play too.

 

[Lone Clone]

Sorry I was expecting the old Cinci bearcats. I remember when Iowa played them in the first round the NCAA and got curb stomped. That's what I thought I would see last night. They are good, don't get me wrong, but I just didn't think they were as physical as in the past.

That is a great road win, but UNI losing to Hawaii probably didnt' help that very much. UNI has lost some head scratchers this non-conf. They will have finish top 2 in the Valley now, they have a 2 bad losses in the non-conf and 2 good wins.

The ISU-Cincinnati series isn't very long, but there have been some terrific games......almost always with the Bearcats pulling out a close win. I was pretty sure that was going to happen again last night.

As for the Panthers, UNI shot 13-22 from beyond the arc against ISU. If UNI did that every game, UNI would be undefeated, all other things being equal. It's an outstanding, well-coached team, but when it isn't hitting outside, it's not all that great. Reminds me in that respect of Fred's early teams at ISU.

In addition, how often have we seen the host school win the first round of one of those Hawaii tournaments? UNI plays and wins a huge, huge game on Saturday night, and on Tuesday they're playing in the Sandwich Islands with a tipoff of after midnight body time. This was fairly predictable.

I'm not unhappy. Cyclones are going to lose some games. Just played three they could have won or lost. If you'd told me they were going to go 2-1 and asked me which game I'd rather lose, I'd have said UNI. Don't want to lose at home, and really like picking up a road win at a rated team.

 

[storyhawkeye]

Iowa State does something I'd love to see Iowa do. It's called winning games in crunch time. They rise to the occasion and we tend to wilt. It has happened two of the last three times they've played each other, in fact. And many, MANY times in recent conference play too.

You mean like winning games in crunch time in the NCAA tournament when it really matters?

Rising to the occasion as a 3 seed and losing to the 14th seed UAB? Yah, they just don't wilt do they? Tough as nails LOL whatever, man.

 

[Lone Clone]

You mean like winning games in crunch time in the NCAA tournament when it really matters?

Rising to the occasion as a 3 seed and losing to the 14th seed UAB? Yah, they just don't wilt do they? Tough as nails LOL whatever, man.

We all remember they were a huge upset victim last year in the NCAA tournament. Three times they've played close to the end in that tournament before losing to the eventual champion.

 

[StormHawk42]

I hate this board sometimes

 

[CyCity]

I don't think anybody knows how good Iowa or Iowa State will be this season come conference play. Lot of things to be encouraged by for both teams, but a lot of question marks and concerns as well.

I think it's pretty clear ISU is a legit top 15 team heading into conference play if you look at college basketball right now. Beating a top 25 team on the road sure helped that

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

History is tough to pin down for some folks, I guess, but some of you need some lessons. Exactly how slow do you think basketball was in 1970, before Lute Olson and before the 3-point shot, when Iowa AVERAGED over 100 points a game? You people don't have a clue.

And physical? The Big Ten has been physical AT LEAST since the late 50s and early 60s. For just one example, find the film of Iowa games around 1960 with 6-6 Iowa All-American center Don Nelson going against Indiana's 6-10 Walt Bellamy.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[navyrules]

That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, if it doesn't count games on neutral courts. And I'd bet that virtually all the wins were in the past 15 years. The reason the term "Hilton Magic" was created was that ISU could beat anybody at home and nobody on the road. Cyclones under Orr would lose by 40 at Kansas, then beat the Beakers when they came to Ames.

I knew that ISU had their struggles on the road, but a 9% winning percentage is a mind boggling stat for a power 5 school.