Iowa State has ZERO native Iowans; Iowa has 7; Northern Iowa has 10
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Pretty sure he has had his degree for a couple years already, but he left as a grad transfer. I don't remember where he went
Ah, OK. I knew he was there last year and was thinking he still had a year left. Just assumed he was there, but I haven't paid much attention to Drake this year, other than their coach leaving.
Jackson was Big Ten POY in 1997.
Dre played overseas for 10+ years...now runs a basketball academy in California.
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Thanks Legend. That was it BIG player of the year. I couldn't remember exactly, just remembered a lot of debate about how Andre was the first BIG player to lead the league in scoring and assists in the same season, but didn't win player of the year. I remember he was very quick, but really pretty well put together. Didn't he transfer in after a year or two at Nebraska?
Let's look at this discussion from another viewpoint. About half the Rivals top 50 players go to a top tier program like Duke, Kentucky, Kansas...
...most of the rest go to a school close to home. Which leaves about six or maybe seven top fifty players available to anybody else. And most of them end up at the Auburn's, Memphis, UNLV's....guess why.
So unless a top fifty player is from Iowa, kiss the notion of getting him goodbye?
Yes, and no. Cook was an outstanding get and indeed was top fifty in some circles. That represents significant improvement and exactly HOW did we get to the level of attracting him? Part of it was winning. And the Gesell's, May's, McCabes, played a part in improving our lot, enabling us to take the next step.
Along those lines. We mention LaFrentz, Barnes, etc? Let's not forget that Woody was a top 50 recruit and we got him! Let's also consider how many schools would be chasing Wieskamp. But we got him as well!
Own the state. Don't just count on being able to convince the occasional high four star, or five star on the rare occasion, to stay a Hawkeye. That means keeping a relationship going with Iowa High School and AAU coaches. I'm sure they would prefer that we take those capable, if not star, players and give them scholarships.
And why not? At this time it's a pipe dream to believe we're going to sign and retain thirteen top 150 rated kids season by season. Speaking of retaining. What's wrong with a player who may not start, but is going to accept that ninth, tenth guy role, or wait for his chance? What's wrong with a kid who grows up a Hawkeye fan and won't transfer if he doesn't start?
Nothing. In fact it's handy to have some role guys with experience. We can't fill up the team with these guys, but we can't fill up a team with blue chips either. (Have we ever?). So use the tools we've got!
So, own the state. That's step one. Step two is supplement because for a high major, no, you're not going to get the talent to win the Big Ten unless somehow Iowa has a few years in a row where the talent pool is just whack!
Step one, own the state. Step two, supplement with the best out of state talent we can get. Nothing will change. Look at our last Final four team for an example of where it works. Look at Alford's best year for an example of where it works.
Again, it's a dream to imagine we can get by without doing what it takes to own the state. Maybe, if we get Raveling back. But I've always suggested we dodged a bullet in our recruiting methods when George left. And no, I don't want to play those games. Right, Bruce Pearl? (Yeah, different head coach...but, think about it.)
No. McCaffery has this figured out. Hoiberg had a different method and don't try it in Iowa City, it won't fly.
Own the state and not one guy we might be able to use goes elsewhere until we decide we don't need 'em. Supplement with out of state talent. Then when the unusually good crop of Iowa players comes along...we're primed to get them and do some impressive things.
...most of the rest go to a school close to home. Which leaves about six or maybe seven top fifty players available to anybody else. And most of them end up at the Auburn's, Memphis, UNLV's....guess why.
So unless a top fifty player is from Iowa, kiss the notion of getting him goodbye?
Yes, and no. Cook was an outstanding get and indeed was top fifty in some circles. That represents significant improvement and exactly HOW did we get to the level of attracting him? Part of it was winning. And the Gesell's, May's, McCabes, played a part in improving our lot, enabling us to take the next step.
Along those lines. We mention LaFrentz, Barnes, etc? Let's not forget that Woody was a top 50 recruit and we got him! Let's also consider how many schools would be chasing Wieskamp. But we got him as well!
Own the state. Don't just count on being able to convince the occasional high four star, or five star on the rare occasion, to stay a Hawkeye. That means keeping a relationship going with Iowa High School and AAU coaches. I'm sure they would prefer that we take those capable, if not star, players and give them scholarships.
And why not? At this time it's a pipe dream to believe we're going to sign and retain thirteen top 150 rated kids season by season. Speaking of retaining. What's wrong with a player who may not start, but is going to accept that ninth, tenth guy role, or wait for his chance? What's wrong with a kid who grows up a Hawkeye fan and won't transfer if he doesn't start?
Nothing. In fact it's handy to have some role guys with experience. We can't fill up the team with these guys, but we can't fill up a team with blue chips either. (Have we ever?). So use the tools we've got!
So, own the state. That's step one. Step two is supplement because for a high major, no, you're not going to get the talent to win the Big Ten unless somehow Iowa has a few years in a row where the talent pool is just whack!
Step one, own the state. Step two, supplement with the best out of state talent we can get. Nothing will change. Look at our last Final four team for an example of where it works. Look at Alford's best year for an example of where it works.
Again, it's a dream to imagine we can get by without doing what it takes to own the state. Maybe, if we get Raveling back. But I've always suggested we dodged a bullet in our recruiting methods when George left. And no, I don't want to play those games. Right, Bruce Pearl? (Yeah, different head coach...but, think about it.)
No. McCaffery has this figured out. Hoiberg had a different method and don't try it in Iowa City, it won't fly.
Own the state and not one guy we might be able to use goes elsewhere until we decide we don't need 'em. Supplement with out of state talent. Then when the unusually good crop of Iowa players comes along...we're primed to get them and do some impressive things.
I don't see Jayhawk fans complaining about the paucity of Kansas kids on their roster.
If you're good, it doesn't matter. If you're mediocre or worse, you'd better be doing it with a few home-grown kids.
If you're good, it doesn't matter. If you're mediocre or worse, you'd better be doing it with a few home-grown kids.
Kansas doesn't recruit instate because they don't need to...they are a blue blood. So ya I'm sure Jayhawk fans are not complaining about where Self gets his recruits. In state or elsewhere.
Back to Iowa, it does matter. Has no bearing on whether Iowa is good, mediocre or worse. Why? Because there IS D1 talent in state..why wouldn't an instate school want to tap into it as part of their recruiting. Can Iowa be "good" with just instate players? Of course not.
However it is fair to say that 3 of the last 5 All-B1G 1st or 2nd teamers hailed from Iowa. This isn't about recruiting a few home-grown kids. Its about recruiting talent and there is such in this state. Probably safe to say...just not enough..year in year out.
Because ISU has not shown recent history of interest (at least 10 years worth)..I would suggest that Iowa is ahead of the recruiting game when it comes to getting commitments from this state. I hope it stays that way.
Back to Iowa, it does matter. Has no bearing on whether Iowa is good, mediocre or worse. Why? Because there IS D1 talent in state..why wouldn't an instate school want to tap into it as part of their recruiting. Can Iowa be "good" with just instate players? Of course not.
However it is fair to say that 3 of the last 5 All-B1G 1st or 2nd teamers hailed from Iowa. This isn't about recruiting a few home-grown kids. Its about recruiting talent and there is such in this state. Probably safe to say...just not enough..year in year out.
Because ISU has not shown recent history of interest (at least 10 years worth)..I would suggest that Iowa is ahead of the recruiting game when it comes to getting commitments from this state. I hope it stays that way.
There is no question Iowa is ahead in recent years vis-a-vis instate recruiting. The question is whether ISU has made enough of an effort. ISU offered Gesell, not not Woodbury (for obvious reasons), and ISU recruited Uthoff twice, out of high school and when he left Wisconsin. ISU was recruiting Jok hard when that blew up.
well effort is one thing results are another. 10 years (Pomlee & Ernst) that's it. Either ISU has not made much of an effort or are not good at recruiting in the state of Iowa.
Thats a ridiculous comparison. Just like in FBS football there are 5 or 6 schools that can get most of the top talent they go after to fill their roster. Kansas is one of those schools in basketball. We can't expect that type of success recruiting nationally, so we must get the top in state talent, and then bring in a few select national recruits.
No, it isn't a ridiculous comparison. I'm illustrating the point that the primary concern is winning.
winning at Kansas is a little different than at Iowa...and yes even ISU...we're no Kansas...and ISU isn't either. Can ISU defeat Kansas in a given game? sure... Can Iowa? sure... but lets not kid ourselves...the recruiting programs at Kansas, Duke, N Carolina, Kentucky and a few others isn't about in state recruiting...Year in year out they get the elite of the elite..doesn't matter what state the kid hails from.
yes the primary concern is winning...so what are you saying? that Iowa can't win by recruiting Iowa kids?
Sure, they can win with Iowa kids. Can they win at a KS/UNC/Duke level with Iowa kids? Maybe, maybe not. They haven't been able to at this point. The closest they came to winning a Nat'l Championship in the last 30 years they had 1 player from Iowa on the roster (Al Lorenzen). I'll be honest, I have no clue how many players on the 79-80 team were from Iowa. 3? 4? 8? I know Hansen and Gannon were, I don't remember where the rest were from.
Man, do I feel dumb. I have been properly castigated. I was just going off a gut feeling, didn't do any research. I'll sit the next few plays out.
I'm thinking generations ago thinks were a little different...so if we are now talking NCAA title (of which Iowa has never won one)...no Iowa cannot win a title with Iowa kids neither can the blue bloods..
Steve Waite played 78-81...it was the waiter who made the final goal to defeat Georgetown in regional final.
so back to simplicity instead of this Kansas thing...yes we want Fran to recruit the very best the state has to offer & mix them in with out of state talent...which is exactly what he is doing.
And I am absolutely fine with that. Especially given that there are numerous high major quality players in the state right now. I just want him to get high quality players, who are good kids and students and win. If they come mainly from Iowa, great. But not having that won't lower my enjoyment of Iowa basketball. Having stretches of ball like the Lickliter years will.
Like you said maybe. I think the level of play has raised enough in Iowa, that we can compete for BIG championships with a 50/50 roster of half Iowa kids. Tne NCAA is a crapshoot, based on matchups, but yea maybe we could win that too. Like others have posted, I'd be thrilled if we won the whole thing no matter where the players came from. I have to say though I'd be most upset if someone like North Carolina or Kansas wins the title and they have several Iowa kids on their roster. That just shows there are in state kids that can get us there.
No kidding! We've been talking about the possibilities of competing at a high level because of how much better AAU ball and some of the players in Iowa now. No one said we should fill the roster with the spawn of Lickliter!
Wes Greder is an Iowa kid. And don't forget that ISU wanted Jok and another local player who name escapes me, but had to cease recruiting them because of Lefty Moore's screwup. Also Jordan Ashton was at Iowa State but transferred to UNI because he never was going to see the floor. Good move for him.
I guess we are referencing recruiting scholarship players...I believe Greder was /is a walkon ..I did forget about Ashton.
