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Iowa vs . ISU breakdown

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125: Gilman by Tech fall 5-0 Hawks
133: Clark by dec. 8-0 Hawks
141: Ryan by dec. 11-0 Hawks
149: Sorensen by major dec. 15-0 Hawks
157: Isu by dec. 15-3 Hawks
165: Weatherman by dec. 15-6 Hawks
174: Meyer by dec. 18-6 Hawks
184: Brooks by major dec. 22-6 Hawks
197: Burak by dec. 25-6 Hawks
hwt: Stoll by fall 31-6 Hawks

141& 157 could go either way and isu COULD pull the upset at 197! Ugly dual for isu fans either way!!!
 
Spoons said:
125: Gilman by Tech fall 5-0 Hawks
133: Clark by dec. 8-0 Hawks
141: Ryan by dec. 11-0 Hawks
149: Sorensen by major dec. 15-0 Hawks
157: Isu by dec. 15-3 Hawks
165: Weatherman by dec. 15-6 Hawks
174: Meyer by dec. 18-6 Hawks
184: Brooks by major dec. 22-6 Hawks
197: Burak by dec. 25-6 Hawks
hwt: Stoll by fall 31-6 Hawks

141& 157 could go either way and isu COULD pull the upset at 197! Ugly dual for isu fans either way!!!
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Upset at 197? ISU doesn't have anyone wrestling right now that can touch our 184 or 197 pounders. It is questionable whether they even fill both weights, let alone win.

I don't see a TF at 125.
ISU a clear favorite at 141.
Iowa a favorite at 157.

Score probably in the ballpark though.
 
141 and 157 can both go either way the 2 hawkeye 157 pounders haven't shown me anything to think otherwise
 
125 will be Gilman, hoping just a decision
133: See 125- Clark controls it
141: Curious to see what KJ does; pulled Dante's RS, but Meeks' OT loss to Chiska doesn't look so bad anymore. Hoping whoever goes out for ISU can get the W; Dante brings big move potential
149: See 125 and 133, Sorenson too much for Moreno
157: Question marks for both teams, but give edge to Cooper
165: Think TW will have enough for the W, but hasn't looked great yet
174: Have to go with Meyer, but could/should be competitive bout
184: Waiting for 2nd semester- bonus for Brooks
197: See 184
Hwt: would not be surprised by a fall either way, will go safe and say Stoll by dec

Realistic potential ISU wins at 141, 157, 165 (no surprise to Iow fans); potential for good/close matches at 125, 133, 174 and Hwt, but have spent 40+ years as an ISU fan...something like 27-6 sounds about right
 
NYWRESTLER94 said:
141 and 157 can both go either way the 2 hawkeye 157 pounders haven't shown me anything to think otherwise
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Can't see Logan beating Rodriguez. ISU's 157 pounder doesn't do much for me. Not that Cooper is a world beater but he's at least slightly better. It is a match ISU can win though. No doubt.
 
Both teams have options at 157 so it would be interesting to see who goes I don't think Rodriguez separated himself much from Meeks after the Cyclone open looking at the results said like to see Meeks go at 141 I don't understand why KJ would break the red shirt that early but either way this year or next someone is sitting
 
NYWRESTLER94 said:
Both teams have options at 157 so it would be interesting to see who goes I don't think Rodriguez separated himself much from Meeks after the Cyclone open looking at the results said like to see Meeks go at 141 I don't understand why KJ would break the red shirt that early but either way this year or next someone is sitting
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Rodriguez has been separating himself from Meeks for some time. Including in the wrestle off, where he stuck Meeks.
 
I saw the wrestle off but I'm going off of what I saw at the cyclone open both lost in the semis and they both got handled and had similar results against common opponents afterward Rodriguez beat the wrestler by a point who Meeks lost to by a point
 
Spoons, would be nice to know who iowa was wrestling with though's scores.
 
NYWRESTLER94 said:
I saw the wrestle off but I'm going off of what I saw at the cyclone open both lost in the semis and they both got handled and had similar results against common opponents afterward Rodriguez beat the wrestler by a point who Meeks lost to by a point
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Look at what you will but as long as he's healthy, Rodriguez is ISU's starting 141 pounder.
 
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ANY word on broadcast info? MC22? Cyclone.tv? Program schedules on those channels show easily preemptable let replays.
 
Pantherclone said:
125 will be Gilman, hoping just a decision
133: See 125- Clark controls it
141: Curious to see what KJ does; pulled Dante's RS, but Meeks' OT loss to Chiska doesn't look so bad anymore. Hoping whoever goes out for ISU can get the W; Dante brings big move potential
149: See 125 and 133, Sorenson too much for Moreno
157: Question marks for both teams, but give edge to Cooper
165: Think TW will have enough for the W, but hasn't looked great yet
174: Have to go with Meyer, but could/should be competitive bout
184: Waiting for 2nd semester- bonus for Brooks
197: See 184
Hwt: would not be surprised by a fall either way, will go safe and say Stoll by dec

Realistic potential ISU wins at 141, 157, 165 (no surprise to Iow fans); potential for good/close matches at 125, 133, 174 and Hwt, but have spent 40+ years as an ISU fan...something like 27-6 sounds about right
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I do not see close matches at 125 and 174, at all. Clark will beat Hall, but that does have the potential to be close, yes. Your analysis on 141, 157 and 165 are good. TW and Rhoads will be a close one. And Stoll and Smith could be close, but I don't see it. Stoll is gaining steam and even though he wrestled lesser competition over the past weekend, he's a pinner, and a grinder, and he's starting to get to his leg shots. My score for this dual
Gilman by tech 5-0
Clark by decision, 8-0
Rodriguez by decision, 8-3
Sorenson by decision, 11-3
Cooper by decision 14-3
Rhoads by decision, 17-3
Meyer by major, 21-3
Brooks by tech, 26-3
Burak by major, 30-3
Stoll by pin, 36-3
 
Dance vs Boston was a 3-2. Dance winning with the riding time point. A tech there doesnt seem to likely. Not saying he's going to beat Gilman, just that their guy shows he can survive and not give up a lot of points.
 
d523 said:
Dance vs Boston was a 3-2. Dance winning with the riding time point. A tech there doesnt seem to likely. Not saying he's going to beat Gilman, just that their guy shows he can survive and not give up a lot of points.
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This. A major isn't out of the question but just can't see a TF.

Beating Weatherman would be a huge win for Rhoades. He's got a shot if he keeps it close until late. Weatherman appears to be gassing with the cut.

Weatherspoon is a quality wrestler. That's going to be a good match. Can't see Meyer with a major there.
 
Right now with the execption of Tomatoe and Mega I think Gilman puts bonus pts. on anybody that is across from him!!! I don't care who is across from him right now, he's gonna beat them and as the match wears on his pace will get him bonus pts. Now as the year goes on more of the wrestlers will get into better shape and who is to say what happens in March(although I still think Thomas wins it). Right now Thomas is firing on all cylinders and I feel sorry for anybody across from him.
 
Spooner,
Forgot 197 was not coming back till after the 1st semester....
 
MSU158 said:
Spoons,

I would pick Gilman to make the finals if I was forced to right now. Still, I would bet you EVERYTHING I own that Gilman couldn't beat Dance by 8 points or more if they wrestled 100 times..........................
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Most likely right because Gillman will have to chase him all the time . Ask the Penn State fans that is how he beat Nico just plays defense.
 
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Now the above was a great come from behind win by Gilman, but correct me if I am wrong, isn't that his first win over Dance in several tries? I hope it means he has turned the corner and won't lose to him again. Still, there is nothing to indicate the matches won't be close and that Dance isn't one hell of a wrestler.

Also, those who beat Nico(other than Garrett) usually do so playing defense. He can be a tad bit over aggressive and if you are a good scrambler(McDonough and Delgado) you actually end up in a better position than on your own single leg where he does the splits and ties up your wrists every time......................
 
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Now the above was a great come from behind win by Gilman, but correct me if I am wrong, isn't that his first win over Dance in several tries? I hope it means he has turned the corner and won't lose to him again. Still, there is nothing to indicate the matches won't be close and that Dance isn't one hell of a wrestler.

Also, those who beat Nico(other than Garrett) usually do so playing defense. He can be a tad bit over aggressive and if you are a good scrambler(McDonough and Delgado) you actually end up in a better position than on your own single leg where he does the splits and ties up your wrists every time......................
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Nico was never aggressive against McDonough. He loved to grab ankles and roast time off the clock. And look at the official for help.
 
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No one has said Dance was not a good wrestler. He had a 5-1 lead and tried to sit on it.
With the new rule he plays the edge will cost him points with the push out.
 
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MSU158 said:
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Now the above was a great come from behind win by Gilman, but correct me if I am wrong, isn't that his first win over Dance in several tries? I hope it means he has turned the corner and won't lose to him again. Still, there is nothing to indicate the matches won't be close and that Dance isn't one hell of a wrestler.

Also, those who beat Nico(other than Garrett) usually do so playing defense. He can be a tad bit over aggressive and if you are a good scrambler(McDonough and Delgado) you actually end up in a better position than on your own single leg where he does the splits and ties up your wrists every time......................
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I agree I can't see Gilman ever majoring Dance without something flukish happening, but to your point, that was their second match ever (in college) that I can find. Dance won earlier that year 3-1 in SV, and then Gilman won here in SV.
 
I wouldn't say Dance got up and than defended his lead. He was still trying to score. Gilman just made good adjustments and blocked his moves that were working in the first period. When I first saw this match live last year, I thought it was all over. Dance looked so comfortable and was moving so good. Screamed out loud at work when Gilman came back.
Dance is probably the slickest wrestler in all of D1. He is just so fluid and athletic. Dance is gonna be a serious threat for Gilman at the NCAA Tourney. I'd say his biggest.
 
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Damn good match. Dance is tough. He went from being 10 seconds away from a semifinalist to a non-AA. Shows the fine line between victory and defeat. He was on the other side of a match like this with Mega. Don't underestimate him! I think he and Mega and Gilman all take out Moisey.
 
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I wouldn't say Dance got up and than defended his lead. He was still trying to score. Gilman just made good adjustments and blocked his moves that were working in the first period. When I first saw this match live last year, I thought it was all over. Dance looked so comfortable and was moving so good. Screamed out loud at work when Gilman came back.
Dance is probably the slickest wrestler in all of D1. He is just so fluid and athletic. Dance is gonna be a serious threat for Gilman at the NCAA Tourney. I'd say his biggest.
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My post crossed with yours, Sandor, but we were both watching the same match and thinking the same thing, obviously.
 
I wasn't saying Nico was super aggressive, although I can see how it would read that way, against McDonough. I simply meant that he couldn't outscramble McDonough and guys that he couldn't outscramble could often end up in better positions against Megaludis' offense than their own...........
 
MSU158 said:
Spoons,

I would pick Gilman to make the finals if I was forced to right now. Still, I would bet you EVERYTHING I own that Gilman couldn't beat Dance by 8 points or more if they wrestled 100 times..........................
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You must not own much.

Over the span of a 100 matches I would be shocked that neither majored the other. That's a lot of matches and many things could happen.
 
HoundedHawk,

I am pretty sure this isn't the place for me to say what I own. Plus, I am married with an 11 month old daughter. Everything I own is THEIR'S anyway.....................

Still, this is where "literal" meets "figurative". It's kind of like saying, "I will bet my first unborn child" or "no way in hell" No one, except maybe in China if they knew it was going to be a girl, would give up their kid. I am also pretty sure no one has actually been in hell yet, so I doubt they could know if it could happen in hell or not. The point of the saying is to exude an extreme level of confidence in one's stance.........................

But, if it would make you feel better, you can pick a number to bet and I will wager that Gilman does not beat Dance by 8 points or more in any NCAA sanctioned match for the remainder of their careers. Also, please note I point out by 8 points or more because I would not count a fall. If Metcalf can lose a match by pin, it can happen to anyone. Winning by 8 points or more is dominance. A pin is not always indicative of dominance.
 
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I agree I can't see Gilman ever majoring Dance without something flukish happening, but to your point, that was their second match ever (in college) that I can find. Dance won earlier that year 3-1 in SV, and then Gilman won here in SV.
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Was just going to say the same thing. As far as I know, Gilman and Dance are 1-1. Make no mistake, Dance is tough as nails and strong as an ox, but I like Thomas' chances against him in future matches. In their first match at Midlands, Thomas couldn't get any offense going at all. I think he started to figure Dance out at Nationals. He needs to keep on his offense against Dance. Easier said than done, but I think he gets it done against him this year.

Needless to say, 125 will be huge for the team race. Those top 4 or so are very close; Thomas could end up the champ with Nico 4th or so, but the opposite could happen just as easily.
 
I think there are some over reactions to Spoon's normal sunny predictions. I am as big a Gilman fan on here, I believe he can win a title, but no, I don't think he majors everybody he wrestles except for NATO and Nico. That said, I think Gilman has an extra gear against these top names...we see it every once in awhile. Ironside was talking about this during the Iowa Duals.
 
that is no answer to my question, so why did you bother, to try to prove something?
 
wasdt21 said:
that is no answer to my question, so why did you bother, to try to prove something?
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Might want to re-read ur post because there was no question. Dance beat Tomesello 7-6 last year. There styles are very different. Tomesello is strong and hard to get out of position. He also attacks straight forward. Dance is athletic and slick. Good scrambler and very explosive. Scores a lot of re-attacks. Two very different styles so I'm not sure how you think they are similar.

P.S. Sorry if I came off as an ass. Had a few.
 
I'll stand behind what I said! Thomas is doing so many things better than he has in the past. I'm sure Dance has improved also. Midlands is about a month away and I don't know if Thomas could major Dance in a month but if they wrestled this weekend I think he would!!
 
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