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Is Barta really that bad????

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Since his tenure, he has hired:
Fran: Mens Bball....obviously on the up and up
Brands: Wrestling.....top 3 every year nationally
Heller: Baseball......best team since early 90's
Shymansky: Volleyball......are 10-3 right now, just beat several top 25 teams including ISU for first time in a while
Ferentz: Decided to retain, seems like go idea at this time
Hankins: Hired in 2007 and has taken golf to new heights
Womens soccer seems to be doing well and I am sure there are other programs I did not mention who have been having success....also realize there are pry some that are not doing as well as we would like, but the list I mentioned are the important one in this state, including Bluder and Woman's bball......seems like he got a ton of criticism in the past, but after looking at this list of hires not sure if some praise should go his way.....sure not all will agree but this is a pretty good list of hires IMO
 
Ya but he won't let people drink beer on the sidewalk. He has to go. :)

I think 90% of his criticism is KF's contract extension which at the time I don't there were many that argued it. As the W's started to lessen thats when the experts knew it was a bad contract.

Im generally not critical of people that do jobs I know I couldn't do. The only thing I wish is that he had chosen to retire Roy Marble's jersey while he was with us. But I understood why they didn't. At least I think I did.
 
If you think Barta has done a bad job, read the following book. Hearing some of things Dave Brandon tried to do was disturbing.

Endzone: The Rise, Fall and Return of Michigan Football
 
Giving a 10 year deal to a football coach is luda.

But in all actuality I think he has done a fine job. Our facilities are top notch. Teams are consistently good. I have no issues with his AD reign.
That is another good point, our facilities have drastically improved also in his tenure...Kinnick, Carver, practice facilities, Duane Banks Field, and soon our new athletic dorms
 
You guys are ignoring the gender discrimination issues hanging over the athletic department. I don't have a lot of knowledge about it, but it's a pretty big deal and has brought a lot of negative attention to the school from certain groups. These issues alone might be enough to get him dismissed.

Yes, Barta has hired some good coaches. But Brands was a no-brainer, and Fran campaigned pretty hard for his job. It's not like Gary had to do a lot of digging and hard work to get those two guys. Heller is obviously a great addition, but I don't know much about his hiring, so I can't say anything other than how good a job he's done since coming to Iowa City.

Speaking of Fran, don't forget that the only reason Fran has needed to be our savior is because of Lickliter. He was a Barta hire, and the program was a mess for years both while and after he coached here. If Fran has another couple of good seasons, I'd be willing to call the men's basketball program a wash under Barta. We've just now got the arena full (or mostly full) again for most games, and the student attendance is still pretty bad.
 
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Most people, including myself, have no idea what his job actually entails.

Lickliter was a bad hire only in hindsight. I cannot knock the thought process that brought him to Iowa.
 
Most people, including myself, have no idea what his job actually entails.

Lickliter was a bad hire only in hindsight. I cannot knock the thought process that brought him to Iowa.

I see your point, but he hired a guy that ran a deliberately slowed-down game to try to force better teams into close games. This is not a fun type of game to watch, especially if you aren't winning a bunch of games. And I never saw much from Todd to give me much confidence in him as a leader. I wasn't at his interview, but I have to imagine that he was the same uninspiring person that I saw after his hire.

If you can't judge an AD using hindsight, then how do we judge him?
 
You gave a nice list of the good things he's done I'll try to give some of the bad:

1) Ferentz - 10 year contract. This cannot be understated how bad this was not only for the length of time but for the money of which much is guaranteed.
2) Field Hockey - Gender Discrimination. Enough said.
3) Lickliter - Worst hire in Iowa basketball history?
4) Softball Hire - Went from a perennial top 25 team to off the map.
3) Gameday Football Atmosphere
4) Terrible Director's Cup scores
 
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I really wish i could go back in time and change how Ferentz's contract was negotiated. Imagine if Barta played hardball, Ferentz leaves to Penn State for more money and PSU starts winning conference titles. Can you imagine how pissed people would be?

I don't believe that would have happened, but that scenario was absolutely a concern back then. Yeah the buy-out is REALLY bad, but I'm in the camp that it's not what has kept KF employed. And if that's the case what difference does it make?

He deserved at least another season IMO and who knows - maybe this team is for real?
 
I see your point, but he hired a guy that ran a deliberately slowed-down game to try to force better teams into close games. This is not a fun type of game to watch, especially if you aren't winning a bunch of games. And I never saw much from Todd to give me much confidence in him as a leader. I wasn't at his interview, but I have to imagine that he was the same uninspiring person that I saw after his hire.

If you can't judge an AD using hindsight, then how do we judge him?

You judge him on his decision-making process. He hired the National Coach of the Year, who won 29 games the previous year, the 3rd time in 6 seasons he won 26 or more, with two sweet 16 appearances.

Did anyone complain about the hire at the time? Most people were excited about it. I bet the pundits thought it was a great hire.

It didn't work out. He cut him loose after 3 seasons, which is pretty quick, and replaced him with a successful coach.
 
You judge him on his decision-making process. He hired the National Coach of the Year, who won 29 games the previous year, the 3rd time in 6 seasons he won 26 or more, with two sweet 16 appearances.

Did anyone complain about the hire at the time? Most people were excited about it. I bet the pundits thought it was a great hire.

It didn't work out. He cut him loose after 3 seasons, which is pretty quick, and replaced him with a successful coach.

I may have been in the minority, but I was much more excited for the McCaffrey hire. The guy has energy and desire that he invites the fans to share. I give Gary some credit for dumping Lick and hiring Fran. But would he have made the change if not for the mass exodus and outcry of the fans? Regardless, I never saw that Lickliter had what was needed to be good here. Yes, he had some excellent seasons prior to the hire, but he's just a boring guy. Say all you want about how great a hire it looked to others at the time. A good Iowa AD is not going to be the guy who hires who everyone says he should hire. A good Iowa AD is the one that hires the right guy. Sometimes it's the same person. Often, it's not.
 
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I am not saying he is the best AD or is perfect, my question was is he really that bad to warrant the constant negative criticism that he gets with little to no praise when he does make a good decision.....I get it comes with the position but I think it is pretty unfair.
The field hockey thing has been a mess, but let us wait and see how this plays out because IMO the claims made by the prosecution is a bit suspect at best.....claims that female coaches are treated differently than males is very suspect....many who of the female coaches let go have been sub par at best with results on the field (Digman as VB coach was horrible) and the field hockey thing stemmed from a relationship between a employee and her employer, not sure if that is directly related to her being female or the fact that it is unprofessional behavior?Probably could have been handled better, but let us hold judgement until it plays out....
THe KF 10 year contract.......if we can go back 10 years on this very board there were few if any that questioned the decision and many were very excited and who know by 2020 we could very well be excited again....
 
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I, for one, thought Lick was a great hire at the time and really thought he would succeed here. It was the mass exodus of players, and the threat of more, that spurred action more than the fan loss. Remember, we were losing fans under Alford already (only Lick's years made it worse).

In terms of decision making, Barta seems to be doing an average job; some hits, some misses. I wanted him to take a harder line with Kirk, but this year is showing that things may be turning out OK. What I wanted was a rock to ripple the stagnant, fetid waters in the administration and didn't think it could happen under Mason/Barta. I do like what I'm seeing so far this season, though, so maybe Barta's OK.

One event giving me hope for the University as a whole is getting a legit president on campus. I hope the regents don't cave to the crying faculty. I expect a good housecleaning and strong leadership from Harreld. Part of me worries the PC wonks will win out, though.
 
I really wish i could go back in time and change how Ferentz's contract was negotiated. Imagine if Barta played hardball, Ferentz leaves to Penn State for more money and PSU starts winning conference titles. Can you imagine how pissed people would be?

I don't believe that would have happened, but that scenario was absolutely a concern back then. Yeah the buy-out is REALLY bad, but I'm in the camp that it's not what has kept KF employed. And if that's the case what difference does it make?

He deserved at least another season IMO and who knows - maybe this team is for real?

The contract thing is ignorant fodder. Even with no buyout, KF was going nowhere.
 
I may have been in the minority, but I was much more excited for the McCaffrey hire. The guy has energy and desire that he invites the fans to share. I give Gary some credit for dumping Lick and hiring Fran. But would he have made the change if not for the mass exodus and outcry of the fans? Regardless, I never saw that Lickliter had what was needed to be good here. Yes, he had some excellent seasons prior to the hire, but he's just a boring guy. Say all you want about how great a hire it looked to others at the time. A good Iowa AD is not going to be the guy who hires who everyone says he should hire. A good Iowa AD is the one that hires the right guy. Sometimes it's the same person. Often, it's not.
Except that you had no idea who Fran was.
 
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I am not saying he is the best AD or is perfect, my question was is he really that bad to warrant the constant negative criticism that he gets with little to no praise when he does make a good decision.....I get it comes with the position but I think it is pretty unfair.
The field hockey thing has been a mess, but let us wait and see how this plays out because IMO the claims made by the prosecution is a bit suspect at best.....claims that female coaches are treated differently than males is very suspect....many who of the female coaches let go have been sub par at best with results on the field (Digman as VB coach was horrible) and the field hockey thing stemmed from a relationship between a employee and her employer, not sure if that is directly related to her being female or the fact that it is unprofessional behavior?Probably could have been handled better, but let us hold judgement until it plays out....
THe KF 10 year contract.......if we can go back 10 years on this very board there were few if any that questioned the decision and many were very excited and who know by 2020 we could very well be excited again....

People questioned the 10 year contract then. I'm a KF supporter but to claim people were all happy about the contract is wrong. '08 and especially '09 were good years. But people still remembered '06 and '07.
 
Yes, Barta has hired some good coaches. But Brands was a no-brainer, and Fran campaigned pretty hard for his job. It's not like Gary had to do a lot of digging and hard work to get those two guys. Heller is obviously a great addition, but I don't know much about his hiring, so I can't say anything other than how good a job he's done since coming to Iowa City. (Why don't you know much about his hiring?................I mean come on man. Don't be slippin'!!)

Speaking of Fran, don't forget that the only reason Fran has needed to be our savior is because of Lickliter. He was a Barta hire, and the program was a mess for years both while and after he coached here. (It's been discussed way too much on here already about why Lickliter seemed like a good hire at the time.)
 
Except that you had no idea who Fran was.
I, too, had no idea who Fran was.

I was still more excited about his hire than Lick's.

I agree that on the surface the Lick hire appeared to be a solid one. I remember the Rivals' headline of "Iowa Hires National Coach of the Year!" Having lived in Omaha since '95, however, I can tell you that deep down, my gut fear at the time was that we were about to see Barry Collier 2.0.

And as things turned out, Barry Collier 2.0 would have been a serious upgrade to that hot mess we suffered through for three seasons.

All I had to do was read the transcript of Fran's introductory PC to get me excited again. Not a "sure thing" by any stretch of the imagination, but you could sense a plan there; a spark of hope.

Lick? A pet rock was more exciting than Lick, for God's sake.
 
I think an AD has two sides to his job, each about equal.

One is to be financially successful, upgrade facilities, make money, bring in donor money, etc. Barta has done very well with that.

The other is the athletics competition side. Field good teams. Graduate your players. Avoid scandals. Hire good coaches. Barta has had more questionable success here. Some good hires, some flops. But things are looking up, so--given his success with the finances--Barta is here to stay, barring anything crazy. Now, a lawsuit could be the kind of crazy that takes down an AD, but that all depends on the merits of the lawsuit, and I am utterly ignorant of that particular issue in Gary Barta's case.
 
You gave a nice list of the good things he's done I'll try to give some of the bad:

1) Ferentz - 10 year contract. This cannot be understated how bad this was not only for the length of time but for the money of which much is guaranteed.
2) Field Hockey - Gender Discrimination. Enough said.
3) Lickliter - Worst hire in Iowa basketball history?
4) Softball Hire - Went from a perennial top 25 team to off the map.
3) Gameday Football Atmosphere
4) Terrible Director's Cup scores

I'll counter those somewhat:

1. Again, people now complain about the length of the contract and the buyout. The length was the real issue at the time. Had it only been say 7 years, I don't think it would've been as much of a problem. The 10 year contract invoked memories of the absurdly large contract Notre Dame fed to Charlie Weis after just one season of success. The money Ferentz got paid was already a complaining point for fans even back in 2006 and 2007.

2. As others have mentioned, it remains to be seen how much of that was the issue. I agree there is smoke. Having gone to Iowa for 3 years, and had classes with several female athletes of the smaller sports and hearing some of their stories, I understand they have more difficulties than the men do.

3. Already discussed

4. Can't really comment here because I can't remember the sequence of events (mostly because I don't follow the softball program much at all, but more on that in a second). I'm trying to remember if the long-time coach we had retired or if she was fired, and it's been a comedy of hiring blunders since. Don't know enough here to speak on it.
But what I was getting at with my other comment about not following the program was that there was also this mindset, it seemed, around campus when I went to Iowa, that we just didn't care how most of the smaller sports, particularly the women's sports, did. "Oh the volleyball program stinks...nobody cares. But hey at least we have one!" (that was also a common quip about the baseball program, while mocking Iowa State)
There were people who didn't even know Iowa had tennis, golf and gymnastics. They just didn't care, and once they knew of these programs' existence, they certainly didn't care about the results.
The fact is, there is still somewhat of a stigma for the minor sports, that there doesn't need to be as much of an investment into the success of that sport as others. There's also, I don't want to call it a realization, so much as perhaps a perception, that there are certain sports that just won't be able to be as competitive as others. A school like Iowa is not going to dominate at every sport, just as a school like Indiana is not going to dominate at every sport. Case in point, Indiana football. There's only so much that the University of Indiana can do to try and build a successful football program, just the way there's only so much the University of Iowa can do to build a successful women's tennis program....................

5. To be honest, Barta has very little to do with the gameday football atmosphere, other than being responsible for retaining Ferentz much to the chagrin of a growing (though perhaps now holding steady) portion of the fanbase. And aside from the success (or lack thereof) of the football team itself, there are a number of issues challenging the gameday atmosphere around college football, including things the fans themselves can control. They ARE the ones that make the decision to spend their money after all. More and more are just preferring to spend it while watching the games on TV......

6. Nobody cares about the Director's Cup itself, unless you're an Iowa State fan. What that represents though is an overall reflection of your athletics programs. Until recently, Iowa has been either poor to average in most all of their sports. But it's pretty obvious that changes are being made to improve upon that. I understand that this thread is simply asking that people take the time to recognize that, rather than feast off of past mistakes.
 
You gave a nice list of the good things he's done I'll try to give some of the bad:

1) Ferentz - 10 year contract. This cannot be understated how bad this was not only for the length of time but for the money of which much is guaranteed.
2) Field Hockey - Gender Discrimination. Enough said.
3) Lickliter - Worst hire in Iowa basketball history?
4) Softball Hire - Went from a perennial top 25 team to off the map.
3) Gameday Football Atmosphere
4) Terrible Director's Cup scores
And you worry about these bullet points daily huh?
 
I see your point, but he hired a guy that ran a deliberately slowed-down game to try to force better teams into close games. This is not a fun type of game to watch, especially if you aren't winning a bunch of games. And I never saw much from Todd to give me much confidence in him as a leader. I wasn't at his interview, but I have to imagine that he was the same uninspiring person that I saw after his hire.

If you can't judge an AD using hindsight, then how do we judge him?

What is your opinion of Bump Elliott?? Most will te you he was a very good AD. But.. He hired FXL as football coach then replaced him with Bob Commings before striking it rich with Hayden. All ADs make occasional mistakes in hiring coaches. Barta has done well. The discrimination issues May or may not have been mistakes
 
I don't know if he was the best hire, but I do know from his reaction after the winning FG last Sat. night that the guy wants to win.
 
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One tricky thing about the director's cup is the role that number of sports plays. Of course some of this has to do with the size of the univeristy and athletic budget, but weather plays a role, too. California schools have loads of crazy sports like water polo that are non-existant in this region, and they rack up the points there. Stanford wins that thing all the time and while their football and basketball teams have good runs, they're hardly a power in either. Then again, Big Ten schools win out in wrestling, which is absent from many schools outside the midwest/northeast.

I was going to challenge your comparison of us to Indiana. My impression has always been that Indiana's actually pretty darn good at sports, just not football. Turns out Iowa racked up 140 more points than Indiana last year, so maybe it's just basketball and soccer for the Hoosiers.

I don't know, I'm just not convinced it's a great measure. I would need to know more about the methodology.
 
Except that you had no idea who Fran was.

You know me so well. I will admit that I didn't spend a lot of time scouring the coaching ranks at small schools searching for the next Iowa coach. However, Fran was vocal about wanting the job and came up right away as a candidate for the position. As soon as I learned about him, he looked like a great fit. So yes, I was excited about the possibility of hiring him, and then even more excited when we did hire him. He has been a fantastic breath of fresh air for the program. However, I wouldn't have been nearly as excited to get him if we hadn't had Lickliter tear the program down first.
 
You guys are ignoring the gender discrimination issues hanging over the athletic department. I don't have a lot of knowledge about it, but it's a pretty big deal and has brought a lot of negative attention to the school from certain groups. These issues alone might be enough to get him dismissed.

Yes, Barta has hired some good coaches. But Brands was a no-brainer, and Fran campaigned pretty hard for his job. It's not like Gary had to do a lot of digging and hard work to get those two guys. Heller is obviously a great addition, but I don't know much about his hiring, so I can't say anything other than how good a job he's done since coming to Iowa City.

Speaking of Fran, don't forget that the only reason Fran has needed to be our savior is because of Lickliter. He was a Barta hire, and the program was a mess for years both while and after he coached here. If Fran has another couple of good seasons, I'd be willing to call the men's basketball program a wash under Barta. We've just now got the arena full (or mostly full) again for most games, and the student attendance is still pretty bad.
So you don't have a lot of knowledge about the gender thing? Then don't mention it. If you read about it from the female coaches' sides,in the beginning it pretty much boiled down to female athletes complaining about treatment, the coaches getting fired, and then the coaches saying that male coaches had athletes complaining about treatment,& they didn't get fired. In other words, Barta has different standards: he thinks female athletes shouldn't have to put up with as much abuse as male athletes do! Then they brought in the Rhabdo stuff, which I think does not compute. It sounds terrible, but who knew it would happen? When it happened at other institutions, it also came as a surprise. Now, hopefully coaches and trainers are studying the why's carefully. Also, read about the track and field coach who had to be female, now the passed over male coach is complaining or sueing. To tell the truth some of the coaches fired should have been fired earlier, those who had bad records, and I think possibly Barta is a bit uncomfortable with some of aspects of dealing with female coaches.
 
You know me so well. I will admit that I didn't spend a lot of time scouring the coaching ranks at small schools searching for the next Iowa coach. However, Fran was vocal about wanting the job and came up right away as a candidate for the position.

I don't think this is true at all, that the fan base knew about him right away.

Anyone to support this guys claim that there were people excited for him prior to the hire?
 
So you don't have a lot of knowledge about the gender thing? Then don't mention it. If you read about it from the female coaches' sides,in the beginning it pretty much boiled down to female athletes complaining about treatment, the coaches getting fired, and then the coaches saying that male coaches had athletes complaining about treatment,& they didn't get fired. In other words, Barta has different standards: he thinks female athletes shouldn't have to put up with as much abuse as male athletes do! Then they brought in the Rhabdo stuff, which I think does not compute. It sounds terrible, but who knew it would happen? When it happened at other institutions, it also came as a surprise. Now, hopefully coaches and trainers are studying the why's carefully. Also, read about the track and field coach who had to be female, now the passed over male coach is complaining or sueing. To tell the truth some of the coaches fired should have been fired earlier, those who had bad records, and I think possibly Barta is a bit uncomfortable with some of aspects of dealing with female coaches.

Don't mention the lawsuit, just because I don't have first-hand knowledge? If you've not seen all the bad publicity the lawsuit has brought, then you aren't paying attention. That bad pub was my point. I don't have any axe to grind against Barta. I also don't think we need to praise him as highly as many here have done.

If Barta is uncomfortable dealing with female coaches, then he either needs to get much better at it, or find a new job. Either he's capable of handling all the coaches who report to him, or not. If he isn't, then this isn't the position for him.
 
I don't think this is true at all, that the fan base knew about him right away.

Anyone to support this guys claim that there were people excited for him prior to the hire?

You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't claim that the fanbase "knew about him right away". I said that I heard he was interested and checked into it. I thought he was a quality candidate. I would hope others take enough of an interest in coaching openings to also do a little checking into possible candidates, but maybe not. I'm not claiming that I knew he'd be a savior of Iowa basketball. However, I thought he was a good change and the guy that we needed at the time. Apparently Barta agreed, and I give him credit for making the what has turned out to be the right choice. Note that I'm giving him credit after we have seen the results. I don't give Gary credit for the fact that he happened to hire the guy I liked. I expect any Iowa AD to make good decisions, regardless of my own and other fans' opinions.
 
That is another good point, our facilities have drastically improved also in his tenure...Kinnick, Carver, practice facilities, Duane Banks Field, and soon our new athletic dorms

Our facilities have improved because of the extra $$$ we are receiving from the BTN contacts.

Barta is BAD.
 
I don't think this is true at all, that the fan base knew about him right away.

Anyone to support this guys claim that there were people excited for him prior to the hire?

I think most people never even heard of him.
 
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