Is grabbing your own wrist considered "locked hands"?
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If you touch your fingers from opposite hands together while on top it is locked hands so to answer your question yes, but obviously you can lock your hands in a pinning hold.
Cory's hands are locked in that photo. He locked them around his opponent's body from the upper position when the kid stood up and then took him to his back when opponent tried a desperation move from there, if'n I remember correctly.
Perry wanted the locked hands to be called when his guy stood up and Cory locked his hands around opponent's waist. My guess was that Perry was hoping the locked hands took place before the action went to the feet.
Perry wanted the locked hands to be called when his guy stood up and Cory locked his hands around opponent's waist. My guess was that Perry was hoping the locked hands took place before the action went to the feet.
Or when the other guy is on their feet. When Perry jumped up to challenge, Zane was on his feet, but CC was still on a knee.
looks like Cory knocked down Superman nothing illegal there.
Yes grabbing your wrists or even simply having your hands or fingers touching or over lapping is considered locked hands. Your hands don't have to be literally interlocked.
FWIW, when Perry made his appeal, he grasped his own hands together and briefly dipped to having one knee touch the mat. I could not hear what he said, if anything, but his demonstration appeared to be meant to communicate to the ref's that Clark had his hands locked around Richards when Clark was on the mat, or at least one knee was on the mat.
There was a flurry of action there at the end of that match and I could not honestly say from where I was sitting that there was, or was not, a technical violation. However, if there was a violation, it would have been a "blink of the eye" type of thing, and I was really glad that such a big match didn't get decided by a ticky-tack deal like that. Clark rode Richards and earned the win IMO.
Wrestling sends out a rules book and case book every year. One of the cases recently has been when is it an escape when the other offensive(top) wrestler has a body lock. It is not considered an escape until the offensive wrestlers hands are unlocked. A lot of people think it's when the defensive wrestler creates separation, with his hips for example. The defensive wrestler has to break the lock not just create separation. I've reffed way to much little kids wrestling and this has came up a whole lot so that's my .02
If a guy stands to his feet you can lock around his waist from any angle. What's the difference from locking your hands in front him rather than doing the same thing from behind him if he's standing up on his feet? Nothing. And yes if you fall straight into near fall criteria, you are allowed to keep your hands lock unless he falls out of near fall criteria then you must release the locked hands
I would also add that if the hands are locked and both wrestlers are on there feet, and all of the sudden the bottom man puts his hand on the mat the top man would need to unlock to avoid the call. Same if the bottom man dropped to a knee.
The hands are not locked, obviously, but . . .
As others have mentioned, if the hands are touching it's considered locked hands.
However, the picture above is irrelevant because neither wrestler is on the mat; so there is no such thing as locked hands. I didn't see the meet, but I assume Clark was in control at this point? If that's the case, even when they hit the mat he has reaction time to release the lock. But if his opponent lands on his back - as above - Clark would be in a pinning situation and so, again, locked hands would not come into the picture.
Can somebody describe what the controversy is here?
However, if he does that more than once and it's clear he's doing it simply to force the top man to break his locked hands, the official can and should call an unsportsmanlike penalty.
Since when is a bear hug not a pinning combination? If it wasn't a pinning combination then they would have called locked hands. Regarding locked hands, I don't believe it matters if the top wrestler is on the mat, but rather if the bottom wrestler is. When CC mad the move to the bear hug, Richards was clearly on his feet.
A wrestler is always given an opportunity to complete the fall in sudden death, unless clock runs out, which it did. With just a few more seconds the fall would have been possible, if not likely
I thought exact same thing. Rewound it and his shoulders hit as the clock went to zero. So close.
excellent reading comprehension skills on your part.
Questions: Is grabbing your own wrist considered "locked hands"?
My Answer: Not in a pinning combination.
I'll let you figure the rest out. I'm not sure how you came up with how I said it should have been locked hands.
Good point. Another thing to consider is if the offensive wrestler keeps the lock and doesn't bring him down to the mat it's stalling. It's the exact same thing if he were behind him. He has to return him or let go. The good thing for us is that we had short time and a stall to give.
I think the controversy is that just prior to the pic, CC had his hands locked around ZR while either CC or ZR had his knee on the mat. There was a pretty active scramble there at the end and from where I was sitting in row 37, I couldn't say one way or the other EXACTLY what happened.
FWIW, I did not think Clark committed a technical violation, but had he been called for it, I also could not say that it didn't happen because there was a lot of action right there at the end.
Easy Omaha, I wasn't attacking you or your post. I was in a hurry reading these posts on the my cell phone. Just missed the word "in"....
CC had one knee on the mat while Zane was on his feet. That's what Perry was grasping for with the challenge. It was a split second and maybe couldn't have been conclusive on review. As discussed, pinning combo or both guys on their feet and hands can be locked.
I don't believe it matters if the top man is on his knees or not, it's whether the bottom wrestler is on his knee(s) or is considered down (meaning if he has a hand down).
Here's one for you:
Wrestler A is in control, with action going out of bounds in a scramble situation and loss of control occurs. However, loss of control doesn't result in an "arm's length" separation, as the rule book states is required for an escape. Do you award 1, or reset them in referee's position?
.......both came to their feet and Cory went back down to one knee while Richards was still standing and Clark appeared to bring his two hands together and then came back to his feet. This is when Perry jumped up and went to protest, not when Clark put Richards down on his back at the end of the period as many assumed.
So can the top wrestler have locked hands while the bottom wrestler is standing and the top wrestler has a knee down? Refs???
As a HS ref I can tell you that in HS it only matters that the bottom wrestlers weight is entirely supported by his feet - so no clasp in that case. I assume it's the same in college.
If the guy that was on top regains control it should be and was ruled a td. So escape then td. If Cael tells the ref its not a td then despite what you/ref watch on the replay its not a td.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
I have mixed feelings about this challenge. I like the ability to challenge a call, but not if a call is never made. I would compare this situation to a football coach who challenges for a holding penalty that was never flagged. It can't happen, and it shouldn't. However, the coach could challenge an out of bounds call, or TD/no TD. I would like to see a coach able to challenge the locked hands call, if made, but not ask the refs to find the infraction via video replay. Just doesn't feel right.
Just an FWIW thought here...I am pretty sure I saw an example, perhaps 2, where a coach challenged a non-call and had it reversed in the B10's this past weekend. The one that I am pretty sure I am recalling correctly was for a missed locked hands call and the point was awarded after the review.
I am not a big fan of the review process, I would rather scrap the whole thing than to have it the way it is now...but that's just me. IMO, there were way too many time-consuming, momentum-breaking and lung-break-allowing reviews at the B10's last weekend.
Haha, sort of. I had this situation about a month ago and the coach lit me up because he thought it should have been an escape. I didn't award it because by definition, it wasn't. I was just curious.
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