Is HROT now full of anti-vaxxers?

[naturalbornhawk]

Now that Webster changed their definition?

Definition of anti-vaxxer : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination​

Definition of ANTI-VAXXER

a person who opposes the use of some or all vaccines, regulations mandating vaccination, or usually both; often, specifically : a parent who opposes having his or her child vaccinated —often used before another noun… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Recent polls suggest the majority of the population takes issue with the latter part of the definition.

 

[shank hawk]

Now that Webster changed their definition?

Definition of anti-vaxxer : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination​

Definition of ANTI-VAXXER

a person who opposes the use of some or all vaccines, regulations mandating vaccination, or usually both; often, specifically : a parent who opposes having his or her child vaccinated —often used before another noun… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Recent polls suggest the majority of the population takes issue with the latter part of the definition.

“especially : a parent...”

Pathetic attempt at shaming, huh?

 

[Huey Grey]

Weird how 90% of people were fine with vaccine mandates pre covid.

 

[TJ8869]

That’s a flawed definition, but by that standard then I guess I’m an anti-vaxxer.

I’m fully vaccinated and I think everyone who’s eligible should get vaccinated. And I’m fine with private businesses implementing vaccine mandates. If you own a restaurant or you’re hosting a music festival and you decide to restrict service and employment to vaccinated persons then that’s your prerogative.

But government entities ordering private businesses to fire anyone who’s not vaccinated is not okay in my book.

 

[JWolf74]

I don't know about the dictionary, but I'm sure if you look up antivaxxer in a thesaurus, "dangerous moron" is there.

 

[TJ8869]

Weird how 90% of people were fine with vaccine mandates pre covid.

What vaccines have been mandated as a condition of employment or patronage in private businesses?

 

[Huey Grey]

What vaccines have been mandated as a condition of employment or patronage in private businesses?

Military for starters. Schools. Colleges. Hospitals.

 

[TJ8869]

Military for starters. Schools. Colleges. Hospitals.

Most of the things you just listed are government entities, not private businesses.

Try again.

 

[JWolf74]

Most of the things you just listed are governement entities, not private businesses.

Try again.

Private hospitals are not government entities. Not only did I have to prove vaccination status, I had to get titers drawn as a med student to make sure I was still immune before I could do rotations.

 

[Huey Grey]

Most of the things you just listed are governement entities, not private businesses.

Try again.

I'm sure some private businesses required vaccination before covid, too.

And keep in mind that covid is a virus unlike anything we've seen in at least the last 50 years. So increasing mandates beyond the military and schools actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[TJ8869]

Private hospitals are not government entities. Not only did I have to prove vaccination status, I had to get titers drawn as a med student to make sure I was still immune before I could do rotations.

Private hospitals aren’t, but the military and most schools and colleges are.

The city of New York has ordered 184,000 private businesses to fire every unvaccinated employee in two weeks. Show me a precedent for that.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Private hospitals aren’t, but the military and most schools and colleges are

That'd probably be why you said "most".

 

[BABiscuit]

What vaccines have been mandated as a condition of employment or patronage in private businesses?

Pretty sure my pediatrician said she doesn't take kids when their parents won't get them their vaccinations.

I assume plenty of private schools have vaccine requirements that match public school requirements.

 

[TJ8869]

I'm sure some private businesses required vaccination before covid, too.

If those private businesses chose to require vaccines for employees and/or customers then that was their prerogative.

I’m talking about the government ordering private businesses to fire employees and restrict service to only vaccinated people.

Show me some examples of that pre-COVID.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

The city of New York has ordered 184,000 private businesses to fire every unvaccinated employee in two weeks. Show me a precedent for that.

150,000 - 450,000 people are predicted to lose their jobs in NYC. The effects and trickle down of that will be devastating.

 

[TJ8869]

Pretty sure my pediatrician said she doesn't take kids when their parents won't get them their vaccinations.

And those parents are free to find another pediatrician who doesn’t require vaccines.

I assume plenty of private schools have vaccine requirements that match public school requirements.

And students who don’t want to get vaccinated are free to find another school to attend if they can’t get an exemption.

Again, I’m fine with private businesses implementing vaccine mandates. The issue here is governements ordering private businesses to fire unvaccinated employees and restrict service to vaccinated customers only.

When has that happened pre-COVID?

 

[JWolf74]

Private hospitals aren’t, but the military and most schools and colleges are.

The city of New York has ordered 184,000 private businesses to fire every unvaccinated employee in two weeks. Show me a precedent for that.

This is an unprecedented pandemic. Not saying their response is correct, but there is no precedent to refer back to.

 

[TJ8869]

This is an unprecedented pandemic. Not saying their response is correct, but there is no precedent to refer back to.

I agree. And you just nullified Huey’s argument that 90% of people were perfectly fine with vaccine mandates pre-COVID.

Some people who were okay with previous vaccine mandates are not okay with current vaccine mandates because these vaccine mandates go much further than previous mandates.

 

[goldmom]

I don't want my grandkids in a school with kids whose parents haven't had them immunized with the standard MMR, polio, etc. Let those people open their own school.
I am vaxxed. My family is vaxxed. I go to the grocery store and have no knowledge of, or control over, other shoppers vax status. I wear a mask, take my vitamins, and hope for the best.

 

[Finance85]

That’s a flawed definition, but by that standard then I guess I’m an anti-vaxxer.

I’m fully vaccinated and I think everyone who’s eligible should get vaccinated. And I’m fine with private businesses implementing vaccine mandates. If you own a restaurant or you’re hosting a music festival and you decide to restrict service and employment to vaccinated persons then that’s your prerogative.

But government entities ordering private businesses to fire anyone who’s not vaccinated is not okay in my book.

Ditto

 

[BABiscuit]

And those parents are free to find another pediatrician who doesn’t require vaccines.

And students who don’t want to get vaccinated are free to find another school to attend if they can’t get an exemption.

Again, I’m fine with private businesses implementing vaccine mandates. The issue here is governements ordering private businesses to fire unvaccinated employees and restrict service to vaccinated customers only.

When has that happened pre-COVID?

I think there are states with laws that require vaccinations for certain patients or employees in private Healthcare facilities. I think many vaccine mandates for public schools are also mandated by states for private schools.

 

[ANYCHawk]

150,000 - 450,000 people are predicted to lose their jobs in NYC. The effects and trickle down of that will be devastating.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrong

 

[ANYCHawk]

Private hospitals are not government entities. Not only did I have to prove vaccination status, I had to get titers drawn as a med student to make sure I was still immune before I could do rotations.

pic of drawn titties?

 

[LBoogie28]

Yes of course I could be wrong, but at this point there should be little doubt those that have chosen to receive these vaccines will end up wishing they hadn't in a major way.

When does the wishing begin? 2022? 2023? In what major way? Trying to get my T’s and P’s lined up in advance.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

I think you need to put “required” in quotes when talking about vaccinations for public school. About 1 in 12 kids are not fully vaccinated in Minnesota with their “required” vaccines. In Minneapolis area there’s a struggle to get Somali’s vaccinated because of their belief the boogeyman is out to get them.

 

[TJ8869]

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrong

Which part is wrong? The number of people who are going to lose their job or the trickle down effects?

 

[z_ape]

Weird how 90% of people were fine with vaccine mandates pre covid.

I think we learned that in this day and age it's going to take a bit of time for a new vaccine to be widely accepted. I think that's the cause of much of the hesitancy and skepticism.

 

[JWolf74]

pic of drawn titties?

@Moral , assistance please

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Weird how 90% of people were fine with vaccine mandates pre covid.

Which ones do we need 2 or 3 a year of for the rest of lives?

I am vaccinated and I just wish everybody would stfu about it and masks.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

When does the wishing begin? 2022? 2023? In what major way? Trying to get my T’s and P’s lined up in advance.

I appreciate your helpfulness and willingness to keep this thought alive. Continue to have this post handy.

Also, how many people are there already that wish they hadn't gotten it? Care to throw up a guess?

 

[runkpanole]

I think we learned that in this day and age it's going to take a bit of time for a new vaccine to be widely accepted. I think that's the cause of much of the hesitancy and skepticism.

Only when it’s political. People couldn’t wait for the new shingles vaccine a couple of years ago.

 

[The Tradition]

Private hospitals are not government entities. Not only did I have to prove vaccination status, I had to get titers drawn as a med student to make sure I was still immune before I could do rotations.

Private hospitals are heavily regulated by CMS, and they require TB tests (which involves a needle).

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrong

Oh? How so?

 

[notlongago]

Just wait until they change the definition of "literally" to match the definition of "figurative". Webster is becoming much too colloquial.

 

[JWolf74]

Private hospitals are heavily regulated by CMS, and they require TB tests (which involves a needle).

Thanks for the new info, trad. Totes wasn't aware. Also, that doesn't make then gubmint entities.



Hah. EnTities.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

I think you need to put “required” in quotes when talking about vaccinations for public school. About 1 in 12 kids are not fully vaccinated in Minnesota with their “required” vaccines. In Minneapolis area there’s a struggle to get Somali’s vaccinated because of their belief the boogeyman is out to get them.

Yes, people need to remember exemptions. It seems too often people forget, probably because public health entities make it sound like they don't exist. Zero informed consent, and people act like it's a good thing.

Also, hmmm I wonder why African immigrants would not trust vaccines or governments telling them they need them?

 

[RileyHawk]

Private hospitals aren’t, but the military and most schools and colleges are.

The city of New York has ordered 184,000 private businesses to fire every unvaccinated employee in two weeks. Show me a precedent for that.

In 1901 a deadly smallpox epidemic tore through the Northeast, prompting the Boston and Cambridge boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents. But some refused to get the shot, claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the Constitution.

One of those holdouts, a Swedish-born pastor named Henning Jacobson, took his anti-vaccine crusade all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. The nation's top justices issued a landmark 1905 ruling that legitimized the authority of states to “reasonably” infringe upon personal freedoms during a public health crisis by issuing a fine to those who refused vaccination.

 

[LBoogie28]

I appreciate your helpfulness and willingness to keep this thought alive. Continue to have this post handy.

Also, how many people are there already that wish they hadn't gotten it? Care to throw up a guess?

Why guess (other than having an allergy to sound data/facts, the inability to propagate fear otherwise, and a penchant for hyperbole)? Give me the number. Your quoted post says that (all) the vaxxed Will wish they hadn’t in a major way.

BTW, your post(s) will be kept as a source of failure/ridicule/laughter.

 

[globalhawk]

I appreciate your helpfulness and willingness to keep this thought alive. Continue to have this post handy.

Also, how many people are there already that wish they hadn't gotten it? Care to throw up a guess?

5. That's my guess.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Why guess

To prove that you're clueless.