Is Stanley a first round talent?

[GoldenFrieza]

Lightning quick release when he needs it, first class arm strength, moves very well when he wants to, goes through his progressions, makes great decisions, size, knows how to use his size to escape tackles, confidence, gets better every game, etc.

Do we have ourselves a bonafide possible top pick at QB here? He really does seem a lot like Big Ben, and likely not the idiot(character wise) that Ben is/was. He's been somewhat Brady like lately, ultra cool, accurate, commanding.

What of you all think?

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Once he learns to put the right touch on that deep ball, and plays consistently like he did Saturday, then potentially yes.

 

[GoldenFrieza]

Once he learns to put the right touch on that deep ball, and plays consistently like he did Saturday, then potentially yes.

I like his clutch play also. The ISU game for example, and even the NW game. He was doing the right things in OT, but he can't catch his own throws.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

Lightning quick release when he needs it, first class arm strength, moves very well when he wants to, goes through his progressions, makes great decisions, size, knows how to use his size to escape tackles, confidence, gets better every game, etc.

Do we have ourselves a bonafide possible top pick at QB here? He really does seem a lot like Big Ben, and likely not the idiot(character wise) that Ben is/was. He's been somewhat Brady like lately, ultra cool, accurate, commanding.

What of you all think?

He has that upside, no doubt about it. The arm talent is NFL caliber and his ability to extend plays is underrated. What also goes unnoticed is his performance in clutch moments and/or big games. That's the intangible that good NFL owners are after out of their QB.

All of that being said, I am hesitant to even consider this as a possibility yet. I've seen too many QB's regress under KF. No knock there, just the truth. I need to see another year of this before I'll start thinking early round draft grade.

 

[Tunadog]

Lightning quick release when he needs it, first class arm strength, moves very well when he wants to, goes through his progressions, makes great decisions, size, knows how to use his size to escape tackles, confidence, gets better every game, etc.

Do we have ourselves a bonafide possible top pick at QB here? He really does seem a lot like Big Ben, and likely not the idiot(character wise) that Ben is/was. He's been somewhat Brady like lately, ultra cool, accurate, commanding.

What of you all think?

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

It is really tough to follow fan bases roller coaster rides of emotions- After a tough loss it is way way too negative and after a good win we now have like 43 first round draft picks. I mean I understand to an extent, however; much like our society we are way too reactionary. Nothing against the poster at all, because Stanley has shown NFL talent....however; not all that long ago "fans" were not so positive to say the least

 

[GoldenFrieza]

It is really tough to follow fan bases roller coaster rides of emotions- After a tough loss it is way way too negative and after a good win we now have like 43 first round draft picks. I mean I understand to an extent, however; much like our society we are way too reactionary. Nothing against the poster at all, because Stanley has shown NFL talent....however; not all that long ago "fans" were not so positive to say the least

I've been high on Stanley all season though. This isn't a sudden bandwagon thought here for me.

 

[GoldenFrieza]

He has that upside, no doubt about it. The arm talent is NFL caliber and his ability to extend plays is underrated. What also goes unnoticed is his performance in clutch moments and/or big games. That's the intangible that good NFL owners are after out of their QB.

All of that being said, I am hesitant to even consider this as a possibility yet. I've seen too many QB's regress under KF. No knock there, just the truth. I need to see another year of this before I'll start thinking early round draft grade.

Gotcha, and most NFL scouts would agree. The tangibles are all there, but let's see if he can continue it. I'd put money down right now though that he will be a first round draft pick.

 

[Sett1997]

I've been high on Stanley all season though. This isn't a sudden bandwagon thought here for me.

Me too.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

Gotcha, and most NFL scouts would agree. The tangibles are all there, but let's see if he can continue it. I'd put money down right now though that he will be a first round draft pick.

I'd hope to God you're right, because if he plays to that level it could set this team over the edge. QB play like that, in a pro style offense, is what makes the difference between 8-4 and a run at the CFP. Not to get too far ahead of ourselves lol

 

[Kurt Warner]

I would say from what we have seen so far the answer is yes. His upside is outlandish

 

[kceasthawk]

Once he learns to put the right touch on that deep ball, and plays consistently like he did Saturday, then potentially yes.

His touch has improved dramatically the last several games. Balls thrown to Fant in Minny game and OSU for long scores were both right on the money. Not to mention the ball he dropped over ISM shoulder, that he bobbled and ended up intercepted.

 

[Ngnosis hwk scence]

Not yet. Give him another 17, 18, or 19 games and the NFL scouts, experts, pundits ad talking heads will let us know.

 

[GoldenFrieza]

Not yet. Give him another 17, 18, or 19 games and the NFL scouts, experts, pundits ad talking heads will let us know.

Probably right, but he is starting to garner some attention.

https://247sports.com/Article/Iowas...s-to-home-state-Wisconsin-this-week-110026031


Stanley will now have to handle the hype and attention, but given his demeanor and the way the Hawkeyes run their program, that does not seem like a likely issue. There is now early talk that Stanley will be one of the top prospects in the NFL Draft either after his junior or senior season. It has also caused many fans to wonder where he came from and how other Big Ten teams missed on him.

also further down the article....

Additional Notes - According to several early NFL Draft listings, Georgia's Jacob Eason, Ole Miss' Shea Patterson and Clemson's Kelly Bryant are the top sophomore quarterback prospects. Stanley is very comparable to Eason in terms of size and arm talent. A lot can happen in two years, but Stanley is positioning himself as a guy many scouts will be watching closely.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

I've been high on Stanley all season though. This isn't a sudden bandwagon thought here for me.

I apologize if this seemed personal toward you-not my intent and agree Nate is NFL caliber. My problem is not with you personally per se. My problem is the fact that one week they want every single coach and player crucified and the next week they are all all big ten players/coaches........it drives me absolutely crazy....this is not isolated toward football and not isolated with Iowa, I just wish fans would understand that winning is not an easy thing to do at any level- especially in a P5 conference or professionally.
I would hate to be in a program that has had 5-10 head coaches in the last 10-15 years....

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

He has that upside, no doubt about it. The arm talent is NFL caliber and his ability to extend plays is underrated. What also goes unnoticed is his performance in clutch moments and/or big games. That's the intangible that good NFL owners are after out of their QB.

All of that being said, I am hesitant to even consider this as a possibility yet. I've seen too many QB's regress under KF. No knock there, just the truth. I need to see another year of this before I'll start thinking early round draft grade.

A few problems with your final paragraph:
1) KF doesn't coach QB's- so that doesn't apply
2) The QB regression theory is not 100% true, especially when you look at stats and the fact there is such a small sample size
a) Kyle mccan seemed to progress nicely
b) Brand Banks was a senior when he did his think
c) Scott Chandler improved dramatically and won Big Ten Title Senior Year
d) Drew Tate progressed until his Senior Year- so maybe you could make argument
e) Stanzi had better record as a Junior but his stats were dramatically better as a Senior
f) Vandy had a tough task to follow up his stellar Junior year and then got the curse of GDG 1st year
g) JR improved statistically his soph to Junior year and then did well Senior Year
h) CJB "regressed" following Junior year for several reasons- played injured all year, lost top receiving targets- most notably Kittle and had obvious scheme issues being the entire offensive staff got the boot.

As I said there may be a little truth to this but the narrative is not 100% accurate

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Yes! I’m predicting at least 3 TD passes a game the rest of the season! I think this team has finally figured it out and is really hitting on all cylinders, and we win out!

 

[nitewing]

He has that upside, no doubt about it. The arm talent is NFL caliber and his ability to extend plays is underrated. What also goes unnoticed is his performance in clutch moments and/or big games. That's the intangible that good NFL owners are after out of their QB.

All of that being said, I am hesitant to even consider this as a possibility yet. I've seen too many QB's regress under KF. No knock there, just the truth. I need to see another year of this before I'll start thinking early round draft grade.

what regression
Stanzi JR season stats 2417 yards, 56.3% completion rate 17 TD's 15 INT's
SR season stats 3004 yards 64.1% completion rate 25 TD's 5 INT's
if that is regressing I will take that every time.
Vandenberg went from KOK as the OC/QB coach to GD, and that team lost Starting LT Scherff and RG Donnal on back to back plays and ended up losing a total of 4 OL to injuries, not to mention a walk on FB was the main RB. so don't use that as a attempt at trashing KF.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

A few problems with your final paragraph:
1) KF doesn't coach QB's- so that doesn't apply
2) The QB regression theory is not 100% true, especially when you look at stats and the fact there is such a small sample size
a) Kyle mccan seemed to progress nicely
b) Brand Banks was a senior when he did his think
c) Scott Chandler improved dramatically and won Big Ten Title Senior Year
d) Drew Tate progressed until his Senior Year- so maybe you could make argument
e) Stanzi had better record as a Junior but his stats were dramatically better as a Senior
f) Vandy had a tough task to follow up his stellar Junior year and then got the curse of GDG 1st year
g) JR improved statistically his soph to Junior year and then did well Senior Year
h) CJB "regressed" following Junior year for several reasons- played injured all year, lost top receiving targets- most notably Kittle and had obvious scheme issues being the entire offensive staff got the boot.

As I said there may be a little truth to this but the narrative is not 100% accurate

No narrative is 100% accurate. That's why we're on an opinion based forum. If you really want to knit-pick that thoroughly, be my guest.

1.) KF oversees football operations, therefore is responsible for any progression/regression at the end of the day. Obviously he isn't dealing with QB's day in/day out as much as assistants, but he is responsible for hiring assistants who do so effectively.
2.) It's not as much of a QB regression theory, its a class regression theory. This theory is 100% documented and you are welcome to look up/interpret how highly rated preseason teams have done at Iowa their senior year. Keep in mind, winning DIRECTLY affects a QB's draft stock and stats, if applicable.

As for Brad Banks, he only threw like 50 passes his junior year. He wasn't a true multiple year starter.

Your "Nathan" Chandler argument, which might have been the best example, was ruined by calling him Scott.

The CJB senior year was filled with injuries, I get that one for sure. Still very frustrating.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

what regression
Stanzi JR season stats 2417 yards, 56.3% completion rate 17 TD's 15 INT's
SR season stats 3004 yards 64.1% completion rate 25 TD's 5 INT's
if that is regressing I will take that every time.
Vandenberg went from KOK as the OC/QB coach to GD, and that team lost Starting LT Scherff and RG Donnal on back to back plays and ended up losing a total of 4 OL to injuries, not to mention a walk on FB was the main RB. so don't use that as a attempt at trashing KF.

Trashing KF couldn't be further from my motive on that. He does so many things well for this program. Not all of that regression falls on him, anyways. However, it's well documented that his senior classes with a lot of potential fall apart. Whether its injuries, chemistry, etc... Was just a simple point. I'm far from a KF basher

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Had a friend tell me last fall, when Stanley appeared ahead of T Wiegers on depth chart, the I'd love the guy because he makes every throw you want your QB to make. My skepticism has been disproved.

If you look at the QBs under KOK you see steady improvement from everyone but Drew Tate, who played his senior season with nagging injuries.

JVB regressed terribly under GD. Beathard regressed with both nagging injuries and, without Kittle and the Meerkat, a terrible receiving group.

The coaches seem to be doing a good job with Stanley. The receiving group should improve providing more and better targets. Stanley sure looks like a future NFL QB.

 

[hawkfeever]

It is really tough to follow fan bases roller coaster rides of emotions- After a tough loss it is way way too negative and after a good win we now have like 43 first round draft picks. I mean I understand to an extent, however; much like our society we are way too reactionary. Nothing against the poster at all, because Stanley has shown NFL talent....however; not all that long ago "fans" were not so positive to say the least

It is like one of the first parts of Happy Gilmore where he argues with his girlfriend and she walks out and then he starts the smoochy smoochy into the intercom right after she leaves. Fickle fickle with snort term (a day or two) memories. Fire Kirk, Kirk is a genius. Same people say this stuff in the same season within weeks.

 

[hawkfeever]

Trashing KF couldn't be further from my motive on that. He does so many things well for this program. Not all of that regression falls on him, anyways. However, it's well documented that his senior classes with a lot of potential fall apart. Whether its injuries, chemistry, etc... Was just a simple point. I'm far from a KF basher

The all encompassing "well documented" argument. In other words do not question what I state you idiot. Polticians and journalists use that line all the time. experts agree things are well documented!

 

[hawx]

Stanley has not shown to be anywhere near 1st round talent.

 

[nitewing]

Trashing KF couldn't be further from my motive on that. He does so many things well for this program. Not all of that regression falls on him, anyways. However, it's well documented that his senior classes with a lot of potential fall apart. Whether its injuries, chemistry, etc... Was just a simple point. I'm far from a KF basher

blaming it on the QB regressing under KF was false and misleading, injuries and lack of depth has killed Iowa in the past, this is why KF shook up his staff,
this is why people like you that really follow this team needs to do some research before you post this drivel

 

[goodbyebobby]

blaming it on the QB regressing under KF was false and misleading, injuries and lack of depth has killed Iowa in the past, this is why KF shook up his staff,
this is why people like you that really follow this team needs to do some research before you post this drivel

People like you need to die.

And Stanley is a sophomore, with KOK coaching him two more years. He has potential to be the top pick in the draft, much less a first round pick.

 

[SpartanHawk]

I apologize if this seemed personal toward you-not my intent and agree Nate is NFL caliber. My problem is not with you personally per se. My problem is the fact that one week they want every single coach and player crucified and the next week they are all all big ten players/coaches........it drives me absolutely crazy....this is not isolated toward football and not isolated with Iowa, I just wish fans would understand that winning is not an easy thing to do at any level- especially in a P5 conference or professionally.
I would hate to be in a program that has had 5-10 head coaches in the last 10-15 years....

I think we should all step back and say that Stanley has a lot of potential for great futures after a weekend like last weekend, but lets not anoint him too soon as the second coming. One should look at who he faced last weekend to see the truth there. Even as a senior QB, J. T. Barrett perhaps took too much in all of the glory he was handed the week before with his great performance against Penn State and people were ready to hand him the Heisman then already. One has to wonder if a lot of that attention distracted him from getting ready for Iowa and contributed to the disaster that both he and OSU had this last weekend, where he's not even on the Heissman lists on many of this week's TV shows.

Let's have Stanley focus on the game next weekend against Wisconsin, and not get too distracted with talk like this which might contribute to a loss then instead of a good win, which he and all of the rest of us want more than anything else at the moment for the Hawks.

 

[Hawkdome]

Really nobody needs to die its entertainment not war.

 

[TouchdownMyPants]

People like you need to die.

And Stanley is a sophomore, with KOK coaching him two more years. He has potential to be the top pick in the draft, much less a first round pick.

Die? The internet is the stupidest country in the world.

 

[HawkLogic]

I see Tom Brady II in our Stanley.

 

[TonyTheTiger.1865]

No he is not! He has a ton to prove before I would even consider him to be an NFL pick,

 

[BigDelHawk]

I see flashes of greatness, we have a few years to find out!

 

[Twoooooooo]

My only complaint with Stanley would be that he needs to commit to tucking and running when the pass isn't there. I look forward to seeing this kids future as a Hawk

 

[kcgolfer]

No. Could he eventually be a first rounder? Maybe.

 

[deanhawk88]

How about this, when the protection wasn't here, WRs weren't catching the ball and the running game wasn't working, how bad was Stanley? 9 games in as a true soph, against very good defenses, in HS he played nothing remotely close to the offense he's now playing, inconsistent/young/needs time oline, WRs-see oline, a running game not opening things up, new O-coordinator, etc, etc... his worse game is really not that bad or all on his performance! He's still acclimating here! When this recently turned 20 yr old, with soon to be 10 starts (6 against ranked teams with good defenses), his bad games aren't really that bad! Especially considering the above mentioned. Most of those schools with 40 TD pass seasons are NOT pro style offenses and I wonder how many ints there were with those!!! Nate would have to flat-line to not be headed for something very special! If this kid delivers a win Saturday and has the game/stats to show his contribution, you doubters can suck it!

 

[Daggerfoot]

Not today...but he has the potential. It will also depend on the crop of QBs that come out the same year Nate does. If he keeps progressing the way he has though, enjoy him next year...because he'll be ready, and he'll be gone.

 

[Carlton]

One thing we do know for sure at this time is that Nate is from Menominee, Wisconsin not Menomonee Falls.

 

[coralville67]

There are maybe 3-4 guys on here that really know football. The rest of us are just wannabes that think we do.

 

[JBO 7]

Hoping Stanley’s accomplishments and press can help in recruiting a couple of 4 star WR’s. More than any position, WR recruiting has underachieved including several In-staters to Mich. The allure of playing with him for hopefully two years should be a strong selling point.

 

[dandh]

One thing we do know for sure at this time is that Nate is from Menominee, Wisconsin not Menomonee Falls.

Yep..and his home school wishes he'd have stayed and been a Blue Devil. Good thing he wasn't in doubt about his choice (when in doubt, go to Stout).