Is Stanley a first round talent?

[HawksAndChiefs24]

blaming it on the QB regressing under KF was false and misleading, injuries and lack of depth has killed Iowa in the past, this is why KF shook up his staff,
this is why people like you that really follow this team needs to do some research before you post this drivel

It was never my intention in the first place to blame anyone or cast any negativity. My main point was that Stanley needs to prove it for at least another year before we can talk about early round draft grades. As for my "research", the proof is in the pudding. There's no one reason for regression of classes, but its a pretty typical thing. There's always the outliers both ways but it is a common trend. Why focus on that one sentence of the post to knit pick, rather than take it all in to account? Seems lazy and confrontational.

I have watched every Iowa game (besides 4 total games) since I was 16 years old. I have spent countless hours following recruiting, player progression, trends, etc. Just because I have a different opinion than you does not mean you are a more educated fan. Especially considering you missed the point of what I was trying to say. This is a dumb argument and I hope you have a great rest of the week. Let's beat bucky

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

People like you need to die.

And Stanley is a sophomore, with KOK coaching him two more years. He has potential to be the top pick in the draft, much less a first round pick.

Holy shit dude.........too far........way way too far.

 

[hexumhawk]

Based on arm alone, yes for sure. Developing more speed and pocket awareness, progressions will be the key in the end.

As of right now he looks like he would at least make a roster as a 3rd.

 

[nitewing]

when talking about regression there are many thing that happen, injuries to the wrong play'[ers], defections, you have to remember That Iowa does not get top 20 recruiting classes but instead get recruiting classes in the 40's on a regular basis, by getting those type of classes the coaches have to rely on developing those players as they very rarely get the plug and play players.

in 2010 Iowa lost all 6 of their top 6 LB'rs not to mention other key players,
ARob and Wieghers who led Iowa to that OB Victory, Wieghers left and ARob suffered a concussion and ended up getting dismissed.

it is these issues people ignore as to why that 2010 team did not have the season many thought would occur, then there was the Rhabdo and all the losses to players,

another thing that happened that very few remember, there were 45 commits between the 08 AND 09 classes, and by the time the 09 class graduated there were only 6 left, they lost 30 players between those 2 classes.

this leads me to ask this question if you follow recruiting like you say you do, how can/did you not know this? the 2008 class was rated 53rd and the 2009 class was ranked 63rd. methinks you don't follow recruiting as closely as you claim.

 

[Carlton]

My sis is a Stout grad. When to Madtown for grad degree. Discovered hockey

 

[millah_22]

The aptitude is there. Big size, big arm.

He needs to work on leading with his eyes, throwing behind receivers, and being able to get a first down with his feet (not big plays, just extend drives).

 

[goodbyebobby]

Holy shit dude.........too far........way way too far.

With two more years to develop and play. We can agree to disagree.✌

 

[dbrocket]

Lightning quick release when he needs it, first class arm strength, moves very well when he wants to, goes through his progressions, makes great decisions, size, knows how to use his size to escape tackles, confidence, gets better every game, etc.

Do we have ourselves a bonafide possible top pick at QB here? He really does seem a lot like Big Ben, and likely not the idiot(character wise) that Ben is/was. He's been somewhat Brady like lately, ultra cool, accurate, commanding.

What of you all think?

I think he has that kind of ceiling, as did Beathard (I think Stanley is more talented overall, but CJ had better mobility). A lot depends on how he develops the next year or two.

He can still get better mentally, for sure. His footwork, accuracy and (yes) touch can improve. I think training to improve his speed, quickness and decisiveness as a runner would also be huge, too, but I'm not sure how much progress we'll see on the physical side.

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

It is really tough to follow fan bases roller coaster rides of emotions- After a tough loss it is way way too negative and after a good win we now have like 43 first round draft picks. I mean I understand to an extent, however; much like our society we are way too reactionary. Nothing against the poster at all, because Stanley has shown NFL talent....however; not all that long ago "fans" were not so positive to say the least

If I could give this post a million likes it still wouldn't be enough !

 

[citizenHawk]

How about just relaxing a bit, see if he can win a few more games, or string together some top flight performances. At this point, he's done well and had one special game. Maybe he can repeat that performance, maybe not, but I'm not counting on anything this weekend. (See: Barrett, J.T.)

 

[IAHawk2011]

I have thought this for the last several weeks. He definitely has the arm strength and decision making to be a top draft pick. One thing he really needs to work in the offseason that I haven't seen mentioned is his precision. It seems a lot of his balls to moving targets across the middle of the field are accurate, but not precise- too often the receivers have to make adjustments to catch the ball, as it isn't perfectly on the money. In the NFL the windows tighten up even more and those become PBUs or interceptions.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

No narrative is 100% accurate. That's why we're on an opinion based forum. If you really want to knit-pick that thoroughly, be my guest.

1.) KF oversees football operations, therefore is responsible for any progression/regression at the end of the day. Obviously he isn't dealing with QB's day in/day out as much as assistants, but he is responsible for hiring assistants who do so effectively.
2.) It's not as much of a QB regression theory, its a class regression theory. This theory is 100% documented and you are welcome to look up/interpret how highly rated preseason teams have done at Iowa their senior year. Keep in mind, winning DIRECTLY affects a QB's draft stock and stats, if applicable.

As for Brad Banks, he only threw like 50 passes his junior year. He wasn't a true multiple year starter.

Your "Nathan" Chandler argument, which might have been the best example, was ruined by calling him Scott.

The CJB senior year was filled with injuries, I get that one for sure. Still very frustrating.

Oh yeah damn it, Nathan Chandler......my bad- I also had like 6 typos too
I respect your opinion, however; you have provided no evidence to indicate how and why you have that opinion.....I honestly can't think of a QB (especially under KOK) that has actually regressed. I totally get your claim that we as a fan base have been disappointed a time too many when our team was "supposed" to be good, however; there have been just as many times that we "overachieved" including this year IMO (unless we crap the bed) I thought 6-7 wins was realistic and 8-9 wins was optimistic for this year. Overall though, being there have really only been about 10 QB's-that is a very small sample size to make any claim one way or another.........in this case we are probably both right and both wrong at the same time

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

when talking about regression there are many thing that happen, injuries to the wrong play'[ers], defections, you have to remember That Iowa does not get top 20 recruiting classes but instead get recruiting classes in the 40's on a regular basis, by getting those type of classes the coaches have to rely on developing those players as they very rarely get the plug and play players.

in 2010 Iowa lost all 6 of their top 6 LB'rs not to mention other key players,
ARob and Wieghers who led Iowa to that OB Victory, Wieghers left and ARob suffered a concussion and ended up getting dismissed.

it is these issues people ignore as to why that 2010 team did not have the season many thought would occur, then there was the Rhabdo and all the losses to players,

another thing that happened that very few remember, there were 45 commits between the 08 AND 09 classes, and by the time the 09 class graduated there were only 6 left, they lost 30 players between those 2 classes.

this leads me to ask this question if you follow recruiting like you say you do, how can/did you not know this? the 2008 class was rated 53rd and the 2009 class was ranked 63rd. methinks you don't follow recruiting as closely as you claim.

Oh yeah damn it, Nathan Chandler......my bad- I also had like 6 typos too
I respect your opinion, however; you have provided no evidence to indicate how and why you have that opinion.....I honestly can't think of a QB (especially under KOK) that has actually regressed. I totally get your claim that we as a fan base have been disappointed a time too many when our team was "supposed" to be good, however; there have been just as many times that we "overachieved" including this year IMO (unless we crap the bed) I thought 6-7 wins was realistic and 8-9 wins was optimistic for this year. Overall though, being there have really only been about 10 QB's-that is a very small sample size to make any claim one way or another.........in this case we are probably both right and both wrong at the same time

I see your points too, don't get me wrong. I guess my argument is that our expectations directly correlate with experience. Experienced teams are supposed to perform at the highest level, and in this program they haven't. The years we exceed expectations we tend to have young teams, and vise versa.

There is no one reason for this. It's not Kirks fault, its not the QB's fault, and its no particular assistants fault. I almost look at it like AIRBHG. One of those things where until I see it, I won't buy in. That "curse" seems to be a thing of the past and hopefully this one is next. It's mainly hesitation, that is all. That was my only point. I am hardly old enough to remember the Banks/Chandler days so might have a bit of a different perspective than you in general.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

I see your points too, don't get me wrong. I guess my argument is that our expectations directly correlate with experience. Experienced teams are supposed to perform at the highest level, and in this program they haven't. The years we exceed expectations we tend to have young teams, and vise versa.

There is no one reason for this. It's not Kirks fault, its not the QB's fault, and its no particular assistants fault. I almost look at it like AIRBHG. One of those things where until I see it, I won't buy in. That "curse" seems to be a thing of the past and hopefully this one is next. It's mainly hesitation, that is all. That was my only point. I am hardly old enough to remember the Banks/Chandler days so might have a bit of a different perspective than you in general.

Cant disagree with you here...........the life of an Iowa fan I suppose. Its kind of like when we lose to NW and beat OSU by 31. Or barely beating UNI in route to Orange Bowl Victory...etc. etc. Makes it kind of fun really