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It Isn’t Just Trump. America’s Whole Reputation Is Shot.

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Many years ago, I asked a friend who had been hired as a senior foreign policy official what he’d learned in government that he didn’t know beforehand. He replied: “I used to think policy-making was 75 percent about relationships. Now I realize it’s 95 percent about relationships.”
It’s very hard to do big things alone. So competent leaders and nations rely on relationships built on shared values, shared history and shared trust. They construct coalitions to take on the big challenges of the age, including the biggest: whether the 21st century is going to be a Chinese century or another American century.
In that contest the Chinese have many advantages, but until recently America had the decisive one — we had more friends around the world. Unfortunately, over the last month and a half, America has smashed a lot of those relationships to smithereens.
President Trump does not seem to notice or care that if you betray people, or jerk them around, they will revile you. Over the last few weeks, the Europeans have gone from shock to bewilderment to revulsion. This period was for them what 9/11 was for us — the stripping away of illusions, the exposure of an existential threat. The Europeans have realized that America, the nation they thought was their friend, is actually a rogue superpower.
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In Canada and Mexico you now win popularity by treating America as your foe. Over the next few years, I predict, Trump will cut a deal with China, doing to Taiwan some version of what he has already done to Ukraine — betray the little guy to suck up to the big guy. Nations across Asia will come to the same conclusion the Europeans have already reached: America is a Judas.
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This is not just a Trump problem; America’s whole reputation is shot. I don’t care if Abraham Lincoln himself walked into the White House in 2029, no foreign leader can responsibly trust a nation that is perpetually four years away from electing another authoritarian nihilist.
So what’s going to happen?
NATO is over. Joe Biden spent four years defending the postwar liberal order. That order grew out of a specific historical experience: Isolationism after World War I led to the horrors of World War II; internationalism after World War II led to 80 years of superpower peace. You tell that narrative to the younger generations and many look at you as if you’re talking about the 14th century. The postwar order was a historic accomplishment, but it was a product of its time, and we are not going back to it. It does no good to try to revive the ghost of Dean Acheson; we have to think of a new global architecture.
The West is (temporarily) over. What we call “the West” is a centuries-long conversation — Socrates searching for truth, Rembrandt embodying compassion, Locke developing enlightenment liberalism, Francis Bacon pioneering the scientific method. This is our heritage. For all of our history America understood itself as the culmination of the great Western project. The idea of the West was reified in all the alliances and exchanges between Europe and North America.
But the category “the West” does not seem to be in Donald Trump’s head. Trump is cutting America off from its spiritual and intellectual roots. He has completed the project that Jesse Jackson started in 1987 when he and a bunch of progressive activists at Stanford chanted, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.”



The new civilizational struggle is between hard and soft. Don’t overthink this. Trump is not playing four-dimensional chess and trying to pry Russia from its alliance with China. American foreign policy is now oriented to whatever gets Trump’s hormones surging. He has a lifelong thing for manly virility. In the MAGA mind, Vladimir Putin codes as hard; Western Europe codes as soft. Elon Musk codes as hard; U.S.A.I.D. codes as soft. WWE is hard; universities are soft. Struggles for dominance are hard; alliances are soft.

Europe will either revive or become a museum. It’s possible Europe will become a low-fertility, low-innovation, slow-growth vacation destination for the world. But Europeans know that this is their moment to cut the security cord with America and revive their own might. Germany is increasing its borrowing capacity so it can build weapons. The former Italian prime minister Mario Draghi jolted the continent by arguing that market fragmentation was killing innovation in tech. Many conservatives are convinced that Europe is too secular and decadent to ever recover. Maybe. But Germany is a serious nation. France has an unsurpassed Civil Service. History has shown that the British people can be trusted when times are hard.
A new age of nuclear proliferation. As America withdraws its security umbrella, nations around the world, from Poland to even Japan, will conclude that they need nuclear weapons. What could go wrong?
China will fill the gap. As America betrays its friends, China will seek to make them. China’s special representative for European affairs to the E.U. recently called the Trump administration’s treatment of Europe “appalling.” He continued: “I believe European friends should reflect on this and compare the Trump administration’s policies with those of the Chinese government. In doing so, they will see that China’s diplomatic approach emphasizes peace, friendship, good will and win-win cooperation.”
This kind of plea will fall on skeptical ears, but the reality is that when they are faced with two rogue superpowers — China and America — nations across Europe, Asia and Africa will have to hedge their bets and play both sides.
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A global culture war. For years, the World Values Survey has shown that Western Europe and the blue parts of American are drifting toward a hyper-individualistic, postmodern culture that is farther and farther away from the more traditional communal cultures in other parts of the globe. That was bound eventually to produce political rifts. One of the reasons MAGA conservatives admire Putin is that they see him as an ally against their ultimate enemy — the ethnic studies program at Columbia.
A return to national greatness. History is not over. As the historian Robert Kagan points out, America oscillates between periods of isolationism and interventionism. We also oscillate between individualism and communitarianism, cynicism and idealism, secularism and religiosity, irrational pessimism and irrational optimism. We are now on the extreme edge of the former of all those polarities.
Trumpian incompetence will provoke a counterreaction, which will prove to be an opportunity and rebirth. When that happens people will be ready to hear the truth that Trump will never understand — that when you turn America into a vast extortion machine, you will get some short-term wins as weaker powers bend to your gangsterism, but you will burn the relationships, at home and abroad, that are actually the source of America’s long-term might.

 
I think a lot of you don’t understand US reputation was already on the bad side. Now it’s easier to identify
 
I think a lot of you don’t understand US reputation was already on the bad side. Now it’s easier to identify
I have traveled the world more than most people. I have done business in over 50 countries along the way. I’ve never encountered an issue where being an American was a liability before.

What are you referring to exactly?
 
Reputation with who? Our reputation with strong leaders the world over is better than ever.

Moscow says we are perfectly aligned with them for example.

Just the loser liberals of Europe that may not like America returning to its strong position.

Perfectly aligned with Moscow. We (were) the leader of the free world.

We need to be aligned with leaders of non-authoritarian countries. We are better than the former USSR and Communist countries

We fought wars and lost lives to keep nations free of authoritarian regimes. Now you celebrate an Orange whacko's infatuation with a former KGB agent and a universal war criminal. Yes, if Putin sets foot in some countries he would be arrested as a war criminal.

Putin is a murderer.
 
European countries have benefited wildly from disproportionate NATO expenditures and trade.

It's easier to have nice things when another country is taking care of you.

Friendships based on money aren't friendships to begin with. If other countries have a low opinion of us now, they can get fu*#×d.
 
I have traveled the world more than most people. I have done business in over 50 countries along the way. I’ve never encountered an issue where being an American was a liability before.

What are you referring to exactly?

I traveled Europe extensively on government business in the late 90's and early 2000's and detected some resentment I attributed to jealousy, maybe.

How could attitudes not have changed since the 2026 election. Relationships politically and culturally have been turned on their heads with the NATO situation, tariffs, job losses and constant combative verbiage emanating from the White House and Cabinet.
 
European countries have benefited wildly from disproportionate NATO expenditures and trade.

It's easier to have nice things when another country is taking care of you.

Friendships based on money aren't friendships to begin with. If other countries have a low opinion of us now, they can get fu*#×d.

Explain this wildly disproportionate benefit.
 
I traveled Europe extensively on government business in the late 90's and early 2000's and detected some resentment I attributed to jealousy, maybe.

How could attitudes not have changed since the 2026 election. Relationships politically and culturally have been turned on their heads with the NATO situation, tariffs, job losses and constant combative verbiage emanating from the White House and Cabinet.
Oh I think our reputation is getting trashed as we speak. I was referring to the poster saying the reputation was already bad before Trump…basically excusing Trump’s destruction of our good will.

Maybe in some pockets of the Middle East that was the case, but not elsewhere.
 
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Oh I think our reputation is getting trashed as we speak. I was referring to the poster saying the reputation was already bad before Trump…basically excusing Trump’s destruction of our good will.

Maybe in some pockets of the Middle East that was the case, but not elsewhere.

I figured. What has to be young the MAGAs don't realize is history didn't start January 21, 2025. The Soviet Union lost 13.7 million military, and 7.7 civilian deaths in World War 2. We lost 400,000 lives preventing what Putin is doing in Ukraine. The aggregate military and civilian worldwide fatality totals for World War 2 was 55.5 million.

Russia lost millions of lives in World War 1 before the Tsar abdicated. All this, course corresponded with losses on all sides, Axis and Allies.

Freedom is not free and does not come without cost. Don't think for a moment Putin can be a friend to the U.S. He would decapitate the Orange Turd's head and display it on a stake with great pleasure tomorrow while playing one of the Turd's videos slobbering over his wonderful "phone calls".
 
$$$$$>reputation

When the money flows the ass kissing will also.

$36 trillion bought a lot of friends. I guess it doesn’t last long.
 
NATO countries disliked trump the first go around, Biden and Harris restored their faith in America, and trump is destroying that faith. I stand by that.
Biden? Streeeeeeeeetch. Take a look at all of NATO, not just Germany

Trump is a no brainer. Well actually Biden too

You should get out more
 
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