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United States tells allies that it is going ‘to cease all future military exercises in Europe’

Biden and Obama wouldn't have done it either. The quickest way to lose an election would be sending Americans to die in Latvia.

You know it, I know it, everyone on here knows it.
You mean like European countries sending troops to Afghanistan when WE invoked Article 5? Like that?

I used to think you were just stupid but you’ve demonstrated that you’re a maggot ass kisser, the literal lowest form of life.
 
For those of you wondering how your grandfather would feel.


That generation honored commitments, if you looked at them and said after 70 years there were decades of the other side not honoring their commitment so we backed out, they would understand.


It isn't difficult, we are not going to be the check book and police for everyone with zero oversight.

Who is it you think has failed to honor the commitments here?
 
My Dad - who came ashore at Normandy on D+3 and lived through the Battle of the Bulge - had definite ideas about war and surviving and the military - would have said 1945 was 80 years ago and things change.
Indeed they have. Most countries have recovered and prospered and frankly they’ve become very dependent on our continuing support. They’re the 35 years old still living in their parent’s home, in the room they grew up in. Buying themselves very nice toys like universal health care, child care, all sorts of subsidized benefits for themselves. To an extent we can’t afford those for ourselves but we’d love to have?
Honestly, how can we NOT say it’s beyond time for them to pay their own bill from NATO? Feed themselves? Of course they’re going to scream and shout how “unreliable” the US is becoming.
Disconnect the obvious screaming about DJT and tell me you don’t think we should expect them to carry more of their own weight?
 
I was on 2 NATO operations in 64, when we had a NORMAL president, that wasn't BRAIN dead. It was a good experience working with other countries, it ended with "OPERATION DRAGON ROUGE". in the Belgium Congo. military fellas can check that one out .

Don't know if I would call LBJ a "normal" POTUS, but compared to the current one, maybe.
 
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When it comes to defense, Europe has grifted America for decades. It amazes me that anyone defends the continuation of the status quo.
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When it comes to defense, Europe has grifted America for decades. It amazes me that anyone defends the continuation of the status quo.
This isn’t about the status quo. This is about establishing a global oligarchy. Be smarter. Democracy is dying and this is the GQP stance. How much do you want to wager that free and fair elections are done here? I’m willing to bet some coin.
 
This isn’t about the status quo. This is about establishing a global oligarchy. Be smarter. Democracy is dying and this is the GQP stance. How much do you want to wager that free and fair elections are done here? I’m willing to bet some coin.
So then you’re admitting that it’s true - a fool and his money are soon parted ?!
 
My Dad - who came ashore at Normandy on D+3 and lived through the Battle of the Bulge - had definite ideas about war and surviving and the military - would have said 1945 was 80 years ago and things change.
Indeed they have. Most countries have recovered and prospered and frankly they’ve become very dependent on our continuing support. They’re the 35 years old still living in their parent’s home, in the room they grew up in. Buying themselves very nice toys like universal health care, child care, all sorts of subsidized benefits for themselves. To an extent we can’t afford those for ourselves but we’d love to have?
Honestly, how can we NOT say it’s beyond time for them to pay their own bill from NATO? Feed themselves? Of course they’re going to scream and shout how “unreliable” the US is becoming.
Disconnect the obvious screaming about DJT and tell me you don’t think we should expect them to carry more of their own weight?
Aw shut the f*ck up already. Pour yourself another wine.
 
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The NATO breakup is happening fast. We live in monumental times. How would I explain this to my grandfather, who

This isn’t about the status quo. This is about establishing a global oligarchy. Be smarter. Democracy is dying and this is the GQP stance. How much do you want to wager that free and fair elections are done here? I’m willing to bet some coin.
Please call it MAGA. This is not the GOP that was.
 
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Don't know if I would call LBJ a "normal" POTUS, but compared to the current one, maybe.
Ol ‘Landslide at least understood how to play the game of politics… and had a reasonable understanding of who our enemies were…BTW….LBJ really did win his 1964 election with a “real” mandate….(His nickname Ol ‘Landslide, was given him after his first election as US Senator from Texas, when he defeated the incumbent US Senator by 85 votes.)
 
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The United States has told its allies that it does not plan to participate in military exercises in Europe, according to reports.

The move, the latest in Donald Trump's pivot away from the bloc, would see America pull out of exercises beyond those already scheduled for this year.

The withdrawal concerns exercises that are on the "drawing board", according to Swedish newspaper Expressen.

It means that Nato countries will be forced to plan exercises without the participation of the US military, the largest in the alliance.

Mr Trump has repeatedly criticised Nato countries for not meeting the current goal of spending two per cent of GDP on defence, arguing that the disparity puts an unfair burden on the United States.

On Friday, he warned that the US may not defend Nato allies who do not meet the spending target as part of a major shake-up of the alliance.

NEXT UP: Military exercises with China against Taiwan!!!
 
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