"It Works": Yuma, AZ fence/security a blue print for Border Security

[MichiganManLifer]

Why don't we do this along the whole border? 96% reduction in immigrants crossing...but I'm sure liberals will tell us how stupid it is to uphold American laws. Triple fencing, sensors and man power. Wow, it must have taken a genius to come up with that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/2...make-border-nearly-impenetrable/?intcmp=hpbt4

 

[Funky Bunch]

Did Mexico pay for it?

 

[MichiganManLifer]

Did Mexico pay for it?

What do you think? Pay for a fence or pay for millions of people to live better than some US citizens?

 

[TexMichFan]

The question is not that it worked but where did the people go?

When they could not get thru San Diego they moved to Yuma. Now they can't get thru there so they moved where?

We can put up the fence and it will stop some but the drugs and the people will find another way.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Why don't we do this along the whole border? 96% reduction in immigrants crossing...

Wow...and I'll bet those immigrants just turned around and went home.

Do this along the entire border. Go ahead. Let the border states raise the taxes to pay for it. And watch the immigrants find another way in.

 

[cigaretteman]

Why don't we do this along the whole border? 96% reduction in immigrants crossing...but I'm sure liberals will tell us how stupid it is to uphold American laws. Triple fencing, sensors and man power. Wow, it must have taken a genius to come up with that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/2...make-border-nearly-impenetrable/?intcmp=hpbt4

Because it's physically impossible and fiscally prohibitive, not to mention unnecessary.

 

[Funky Bunch]

how deep is it?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/us/drug-super-tunnel-tijuana-san-diego/

 

[TexMichFan]

Wow...and I'll bet those immigrants just turned around and went home.

Do this along the entire border. Go ahead. Let the border states raise the taxes to pay for it. And watch the immigrants find another way in.

We are the United States not the Border States.

 

[MichiganManLifer]

Because it's physically impossible and fiscally prohibitive, not to mention unnecessary.

Ok, I'll bite. How is it impossible? How much does it cost vs. raising half of Mexico's children (and adults)?

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Has anyone reached out to Steve King? I think his contractor brother-in-law could build a fence like King designed. His construction company used to build fences like this -- but for animals -- all the time. Someone should give him a call.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Ok, I'll bite. How is it impossible? How much does it cost vs. raising half of Mexico's children (and adults)?

Well the first, albeit unlikely, possibility is for your side to stop with the ridiculous hyperbolic bullshit.

 

[Pepperman]

Well the first, albeit unlikely, possibility is for your side to stop with the ridiculous hyperbolic bullshit.

It clearly isn't "half of Mexico" and really it isn't even Mexicans anymore. But just the same you need to wake up.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Has anyone reached out to Steve King? I think his contractor brother-in-law could build a fence like King designed. His construction company used to build fences like this -- but for animals -- all the time. Someone should give him a call.

Unfortunately their cantaloupe sized calf muscles could probably either kick this fence down or hurdle it like Lolo Jones.

 

[theIowaHawk]

But to the OP:

My first thoughts: Why an Opaque fence? I presume so there is no hiding behind it? Why is that different than chain?

Why a curved fence? Is that harder to climb? I guess you'd be sort of hanging there.

Why only a 10' fence, that seems fairly underestimating the people who already scaled a curved one. Maybe this is the "cyclone fence with barbed wire"?

Appears to be about 114 miles of fence, wonder what the cost was.

"Today, Yuma has triple the manpower and apprehends just 15 illegal immigrants a day, a 96 percent reduction. Instead of 2,700 vehicle penetrations, this year’s total is just 27."

If it is so much more successful, why the need for "triple the manpower"?

Also, apparently 2,000 people died as an in-direct result of this, which I'm sure makes some of you applaud. "Some make it, but more than 2,000 did not in the last decade, dying from dehydration or heat stroke, according to immigrant advocate groups."

Nothing in the article about cost. Anybody got numbers? Even just current budget numbers for BP?

 

[theIowaHawk]

It clearly isn't "half of Mexico" and really it isn't even Mexicans anymore. But just the same you need to wake up.

Wake up to what? The reports that the illegal population in the US is largely stagnant with deportations/returns?

If he/you stopped with the outlandish bullshit we might be able to discuss it intelligently. Why would anyone want to discuss it with comments like MichiganMan's or even Steve Kings, or Donald Trumps?

 

[Pepperman]

Hey, you're the guy claiming you want to help middle class Americans. You're doing nothing of the sort by encouraging people to cross the border. Why are you so racist towards blacks?

 

[theiacowtipper]

A completely 100% tight border wall only stops about half of the illegal immigrants. The other half enter the country legally and overstay their visas.

 

[Pepperman]

A completely 100% tight border wall only stops about half of the illegal immigrants. The other half enter the country legally and overstay their visas.

I know how to solve both problems, if that's what one really wanted to do:
1) Build the fence and create jobs to staff it.
2) When illegals are found, ship them home and put their name on a list that won't allow them to "legally" enter again.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Also, there are just under 2,000 miles of US/Mexico land border, how much of that needs to be fenced? If it is the whole span, this article's fence accomplished 6%.

 

[theIowaHawk]

I know how to solve both problems, if that's what one really wanted to do:
1) Build the fence and create jobs to staff it.
2) When illegals are found, ship them home and put their name on a list that won't allow them to "legally" enter again.

Why is #2 a good thing? Haven't I read your side's posts of, "we are all for LEGAL immigration" many times?

 

[Pepperman]

Why is #2 a good thing? Haven't I read your side's posts of, "we are all for LEGAL immigration" many times?

Entering the country legally and over-staying your visa is not the same thing as going through the proper channel to become a legal immigrant. I am not shocked that you think it is though.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Entering the country legally and over-staying your visa is not the same thing as going through the proper channel to become a legal immigrant. I am not shocked that you think it is though.

? Your #2 was stopping any of them from entering the country legally once caught.

Which I'm sure will just stop them from doing it illegally.........................................................right?

 

[MichiganManLifer]

But to the OP:

My first thoughts: Why an Opaque fence? I presume so there is no hiding behind it? Why is that different than chain?

Why a curved fence? Is that harder to climb? I guess you'd be sort of hanging there.

Why only a 10' fence, that seems fairly underestimating the people who already scaled a curved one. Maybe this is the "cyclone fence with barbed wire"?

Appears to be about 114 miles of fence, wonder what the cost was.

"Today, Yuma has triple the manpower and apprehends just 15 illegal immigrants a day, a 96 percent reduction. Instead of 2,700 vehicle penetrations, this year’s total is just 27."

If it is so much more successful, why the need for "triple the manpower"?

Also, apparently 2,000 people died as an in-direct result of this, which I'm sure makes some of you applaud. "Some make it, but more than 2,000 did not in the last decade, dying from dehydration or heat stroke, according to immigrant advocate groups."

Nothing in the article about cost. Anybody got numbers? Even just current budget numbers for BP?

Some questions you have are fair, but the last part.. Why is it my fault when people set out in the desert without proper water supply, then die? Does it make it better if their initial intent was to break the law?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Some questions you have are fair, but the last part.. Why is it my fault when people set out in the desert without proper water supply, then die? Does it make it better if their initial intent was to break the law?

Is that your standard, whether it is your fault?

 

[MichiganManLifer]

Is that your standard, whether it is your fault?

No, my standard is to follow the law. If you go out and sleep in a snow drift, then don't wake up - what can i do to help? Should I lose sleep that you chose to steer yourself toward a likely death? Of course I don't want you to do that, but I'm not going worry much if you choose to do something that dumb.

You ever chuckle at the Darwin awards? Because it looks like we have 2,000 potential winners. No difference really.

 

[theIowaHawk]

If you go out and sleep in a snow drift, then don't wake up - what can i do to help?.

Did you place the snowdrift between a person seeking a better life, or alternatively, place a lock on the door so they can't come inside?

I'm not placing blame, I'm pointing out that some of you find glee in death, death resulting from people who feel they have nowhere else to turn. Its a good trait in you.

I don't know how you think this is a Darwin award comparable. A person juggling chainsaws =/= a person paying their life's earnings to trek across a desert to try and find a better way to live.

 

[The Tradition]

You could fence the entire span and people will find away around it. Are we going to fence off the Gulf of Mexico, too?

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

You could fence the entire span and people will find away around it. Are we going to fence off the Gulf of Mexico, too?

Of course. Put up a fence - they will dig a tunnel. Stop the tunnel - it's a plane. Stop planes - it's a boat. Stop the boat - it's a sub. Stop all those and they will get to Canada and cross on the Northern border.

Billions for a fence across thousand of miles of the Southern border is the definition of stupid.

 

[MichiganManLifer]

Of course. Put up a fence - they will dig a tunnel. Stop the tunnel - it's a plane. Stop planes - it's a boat. Stop the boat - it's a sub. Stop all those and they will get to Canada and cross on the Northern border.

Billions for a fence across thousand of miles of the Southern border is the definition of stupid.

Fence and discovering/blocking tunnels covers about 99% of the problem. The other examples are just you grandstanding because you know that it's mostly drivel coming off your keyboard.

 

[MichiganManLifer]

Did you place the snowdrift between a person seeking a better life, or alternatively, place a lock on the door so they can't come inside?

I'm not placing blame, I'm pointing out that some of you find glee in death, death resulting from people who feel they have nowhere else to turn. Its a good trait in you.

I don't know how you think this is a Darwin award comparable. A person juggling chainsaws =/= a person paying their life's earnings to trek across a desert to try and find a better way to live.

Because juggling chainsaws = dumb and breaking the law and wandering across a desert = dumb.

I welcome any Mexican (or other) here so long as they have proper, legal immigration paperwork and show 100% allegiance to the American flag.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Of course. Put up a fence - they will dig a tunnel. Stop the tunnel - it's a plane. Stop planes - it's a boat. Stop the boat - it's a sub. Stop all those and they will get to Canada and cross on the Northern border.

Billions for a fence across thousand of miles of the Southern border is the definition of stupid.

You're the first person to try and name a cost. You went with "billions" which feels high. Will it really cost that to build an effective fence? That seems crazy, but I really have no idea.

Edit - some rough math and I guess we're talking $100 per foot... Seems to be making more sense

 

[Nat Algren]

Or, maybe the powers that be welcome the cheap labor into this country to keep prices low. Didn't the world bemoan the fact that the citizens of the former USSR could NOT leave the Iron Curtain? Maybe the fence would deny Americans an exit and a loss of tax revenue for Washington?

 

[The Tradition]

After the fence is built, Galveston can enjoy what Miami has enjoyed for decades:

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Fence and discovering/blocking tunnels covers about 99% of the problem. The other examples are just you grandstanding because you know that it's mostly drivel coming off your keyboard.

LOL. If anyone would know about drivel -- it's you. 96% reduction!?! -- yes, because they just walk to the end of the fence and go around. There is no way a fence across the entire southern border reduces illegal entry by 96%.

And all of my examples have been used to smuggle people and cocaine into the U.S. Both have a high demand in the U.S. And both will find a way into the U.S. because of the demand.

 

[Hawkeye_311]

The only thing that is missing are machine gun nest. This is an invasion after all. You mow down 5,000-10,000 the first month I bet the second month everyone is at the immigration office standing in line like they should be.

 

[slieb85]

Because juggling chainsaws = dumb and breaking the law and wandering across a desert = dumb.

I welcome any Mexican (or other) here so long as they have proper, legal immigration paperwork and show 100% allegiance to the American flag.

Define this please. Not sure I, as an American citizen, have that type of allegiance, but I think it depends on your definition.

 

[lucas80]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want to stop illegal immigration to the US send the people that hire them to jail. That extends from the CEO of the meat packing plant in Iowa that does a nod and wink at the 11 guys with the same SSN# on their payroll, to the guy that stops at a Home Depot to pick up some day laborers that are hanging around for a roofing job. Send the home owner that does a nod and wink at the lowest bidder of their roofing job to jail for not attempting to find out that all the workers he has hired are not here legally.
I am sure you fellas on the right will approve of this accountability.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Because juggling chainsaws = dumb and breaking the law and wandering across a desert = dumb.

I welcome any Mexican (or other) here so long as they have proper, legal immigration paperwork and show 100% allegiance to the American flag.

Too bad the people portrayed in this movie didn't simply die on their way through the desert, because it would have been a funny Darwin award, right?

 

[theIowaHawk]

You're the first person to try and name a cost. You went with "billions" which feels high. Will it really cost that to build an effective fence? That seems crazy, but I really have no idea.

Edit - some rough math and I guess we're talking $100 per foot... Seems to be making more sense

I think it would have to be Billions, remember it is being funded by government. It would help to know how much it cost to build the wall in the OP.

 

[theIowaHawk]

The only thing that is missing are machine gun nest. This is an invasion after all. You mow down 5,000-10,000 the first month I bet the second month everyone is at the immigration office standing in line like they should be.

I only wish this were hyperbole.