I've Seen This Iowa State/Iowa Movie Before...

[Lone Clone]

As an academic institution, ISU has many excellent programs. I have many colleagues who have gone on to be faculty in their math, physics, and engineering programs. They definitely have quality people there. Furthermore, they are very solid in ag-sciences. Lastly, they have a top notch vet school.

Now, I wouldn't claim that they have excellent balance in their academic programs. Nor would I claim that they share the same broad excellence that Iowa has ... Iowa having a great college of liberal arts, surprisingly good media/journalism program, an excellent med school, a very good law school, a pretty good business school, a pretty good dental program, and, of course, they have the world-famous writer's work-shop.

If you don't like the Cyclone sports ... bag on the sports ... as a school, it is a fine academic institution. Where ISU fans get carried away is they seem to weigh the import of tech programs above others ... and therein is their mistake.

As a graduate of the UI school of journalism, I was interested in your comment about that field of study....the school lost accreditation for its graduate program a few years ago and the undergraduate program was conditionally accredited. Is that no longer the case? When I went there in the late '60s, it had a very good reputation ..... although to be honest, it was mostly resting on its laurels at that time.

 

[llhcatsports]

Iowa State is not good. We're worse if we lose to them. I also hate their school. A lot of Iowa youth have been hoodwinked into believing the myth that ISU is somehow elite as a school. Their big claim is engineering and they rate middle-of-the-pack (slightly ahead of Iowa). And it's their dumb students/alumnae who are doing the bragging. Not their smart students. ISU has become a landmark for Iowan complacency.

This reminds me of the Michigan State versus Michigan game. No matter how bad m$u looks before that game, they somehow come into the stadium and play the game of their lives because of their irrational hatred of Michigan. They seem to have the same "little brother" complex of the m$u team and its ignorant obnoxious fans who seem to think college football began in 2008. They have much in common with ISU team and fans. And their "Graduates." Sarcasm intended.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

This reminds me of the Michigan State versus Michigan game. No matter how bad m$u looks before that game, they somehow come into the stadium and play the game of their lives because of their irrational hatred of Michigan. They seem to have the same "little brother" complex of the m$u team and its ignorant obnoxious fans who seem to think college football began in 2008. They have much in common with ISU team and fans. And their "Graduates." Sarcasm intended.

Very true, but good luck convincing Iowa State fans of that.

When Iowa State has beaten Iowa in the past, they gloat about it for weeks. And so often you will hear, "Well, we sucked this year, but at least we beat Iowa." Then their fans will flood this board in droves spouting off about how beating Iowa really isn't that big of deal to them because Iowa isn't even the toughest game on their schedule. As Metallica sang, "Sad but true."

Not all ISU fans are like that, but many are. And yes, you will get no argument from me that many Michigan State fans are obnoxious ass clowns.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

Cyclone post game radio said they were sure if this was even a top five UNI team to play Iowa State that ISU had beat and/or lost to. I am not sure if that was a knee jerk reaction or the truth.

 

[jason33]

As an academic institution, ISU has many excellent programs. I have many colleagues who have gone on to be faculty in their math, physics, and engineering programs. They definitely have quality people there. Furthermore, they are very solid in ag-sciences. Lastly, they have a top notch vet school.

Now, I wouldn't claim that they have excellent balance in their academic programs. Nor would I claim that they share the same broad excellence that Iowa has ... Iowa having a great college of liberal arts, surprisingly good media/journalism program, an excellent med school, a very good law school, a pretty good business school, a pretty good dental program, and, of course, they have the world-famous writer's work-shop.

If you don't like the Cyclone sports ... bag on the sports ... as a school, it is a fine academic institution. Where ISU fans get carried away is they seem to weigh the import of tech programs above others ... and therein is their mistake.

Iowa State, Iowa and Northern Iowa are all fine academic institutions with great reputations in their respective "school specialties"....i.e. UNI (accounting, teaching), Iowa (liberal arts, business, medical, law) and ISU (engineering, ag, Vet Med, hard sciences).

 

[bagdropper]

Yeah, this could be an ol' fashioned Hayden Fry OOC game beat down.

You know, where you call off the dogs but still keep scoring.

Sam Wyche and Cornelius Robertson called, and agree wholeheartedly.

Oh that was Indiana...never mind. Well, kinda sorta OOC.

 

[ConvenientParking]

Iowa State, Iowa and Northern Iowa are all fine academic institutions with great reputations in their respective "school specialties"....i.e. UNI (accounting, teaching), Iowa (liberal arts, business, medical, law) and ISU (engineering, ag, Vet Med, hard sciences).

This is all true. I meant no disrespect to ISU as a school earlier. It's a great school. I just hate them.

 

[ConvenientParking]

As far as ISU football goes, they need to pick an angle on offense and stick with it. They're not currently equipped to do what Campbell did at Toledo. Defense is a lot harder.

 

[Lone Clone]

Cyclone post game radio said they were sure if this was even a top five UNI team to play Iowa State that ISU had beat and/or lost to. I am not sure if that was a knee jerk reaction or the truth.

That was my feeling.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

As a graduate of the UI school of journalism, I was interested in your comment about that field of study....the school lost accreditation for its graduate program a few years ago and the undergraduate program was conditionally accredited. Is that no longer the case? When I went there in the late '60s, it had a very good reputation ..... although to be honest, it was mostly resting on its laurels at that time.

It went downhill after I graduated.....

 

[jason33]

This is all true. I meant no disrespect to ISU as a school earlier. It's a great school. I just hate them.

I didn't take it that way, no worries.

 

[Tunadog]

I don't think you have. There have been a couple of times when ISU looked horrendous in losing to a weak team, then beat Iowa, but those Iowa teams weren't as good as this one.....and I am not sure those ISU teams were as bad as this one looked last night.

Everything from coaching to special teams execution had major breakdowns. I think most ISU fans knew the OL was going to be a problem, and then Campos got hurt, and then a starter (Good-Jones) was suspended. They did a decent job on pass protection, but were offal when it came to opening holes for runs. Cyclones averaged 2 yards per carry...and on the three or four occasions when they broke a nice run, it was called back for a hold or illegal block.

Despite all that, they should have won....they had the lead, the momentum and a first down on UNI's side of the field with about 6 minutes to play. You have to really work to lose in that situation, and they did.

With all due respect to UNI, that was the most winnable game on the ISU schedule.

Lone, I noticed you used "offal" in this post when I'm pretty sure you meant "awful."

Was this an accident or are you weaving some sort of journalistic web to trap unsuspecting dumb asses like me?

If it wasn't accidental, then where exactly did you attend journalism school? It couldn't have been Iowa, right?

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

As a graduate of the UI school of journalism, I was interested in your comment about that field of study....the school lost accreditation for its graduate program a few years ago and the undergraduate program was conditionally accredited. Is that no longer the case? When I went there in the late '60s, it had a very good reputation ..... although to be honest, it was mostly resting on its laurels at that time.

I was a student at Iowa quite a while ago too. As far as I understood it - it was resting mostly on past laurels. I don't know many details of it's current status.

As it is, I was a math-physics double major at Iowa ... both sister programs in ISU being more highly regarded. Iowa had excellent sub-disciplines in each department, but as a whole, their ISU counterparts were more highly respected.

And to think I entered my undergraduate studies thinking I'd either be a jazz musician or a marine biologist. Life can be strange that way ....

 

[mthawkeyes]

Lone, I noticed you used "offal" in this post when I'm pretty sure you meant "awful."

Was this an accident or are you weaving some sort of journalistic web to trap unsuspecting dumb asses like me?

If it wasn't accidental, then where exactly did you attend journalism school? It couldn't have been Iowa, right?

Noticed this too, but I assumed it was intentional as it seemed appropriate.

 

[fecal particulate]

This post made Yahoo's front page... along with Natty Light and a disturbing clown. Creepy coincidence?

 

[Lone Clone]

Lone, I noticed you used "offal" in this post when I'm pretty sure you meant "awful."

Was this an accident or are you weaving some sort of journalistic web to trap unsuspecting dumb asses like me?

If it wasn't accidental, then where exactly did you attend journalism school? It couldn't have been Iowa, right?

I did it intentionally. It was (if I do say so myself) a clever device that accentuated the way I felt about the subject.

My degree is from the University of Iowa in Iowa City. I started college majoring in aerospace engineering at Iowa State, changed majors to journalism after a year and a half, and transferred to Iowa a year and a half after that, completing my education there.

 

[mikesright]

This year the game won't be close. For Iowa, don't freak out about the defensive performance week 1. Jewell will get the guys lined up to defend the interior run. Lanning isn't the type of qb that can consistently dink and dunk and throw the back shoulder and deep breaking out routes between the zones in Iowa's scheme like Miami OH did.

That said expect improvements from Iowa St. Good-Jones coming back may shore up an entire side of the line. Week 1 to week 2 is the biggest improvement most teams have during the year. We're not gonna get the benefit of the doubt holding calls like UNI either. If ISU can protect halfway decent, which is possible, ISU has a punchers chance with Lazard and Butler both being 6'4" type guys going for the long ball.

Iowa pretty much needs to stick with the Miami OH script. Get up big early and coast in to shore.