Jackson's Contract renewed to 2018
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Wow, if you want to "not like me" or call me an "idiot" feel free to put me on "ignore".
Just remember, I never insulted or attacked anyone. I felt Dziewa and KJ deserved some strong defending. Because I didn't give in or back away I upset people? Also, I never said anyone was wrong or I was smarter than anyone. Hell, I even asked for anyone to use "facts" to prove me wrong.
1.)I thought Dziewa tried harder and was better than many thought. He just didn't have the skill set or physical attributes to make it "look" like he was. In the end he had a very solid career and went 2-2 twice at the NCAA tournament. He lost to AA Dutton and 3x AA Dardanes his Junior year and lost to AA Jack and AA Mayes his Senior year. I understand he didn't have the look or temperament that many wanted to see but the kid deserved some respect sticking it out at such a tough program.
2.)KJ took over for a program in upheaval with Sanderson leaving, similar to what happened at V Tech when Brands left. ISU is admittedly a more storied program, but this upheaval happened right when many teams like tOSU, Illinois, Michigan(where KJ had some ties to try to steal a few top recruits, now unlikely) Cornell and Missouri had done huge things and were poised to bring there programs closer to the established Iowa, PSU, OkState, and Minnesota group. His teams over the last 3 years have been competitive with the 5-10 group. And I believe he will continue to be competitive with that group. I just wanted to stress that the current top 10ish group are big DI schools with major National notoriety and great facilities with top notch RTC's. Any coach following Sanderson would have a hard time keeping ISU in the top 10.
If you want to "not like me" for what I said above. I really don't know what to say. I thought this was a board where the best(and usually most knowledgeable DI wrestling fans) would be excited to have a level headed conversation about the who's and what's of wrestling....................
This post was edited on 4/6 12:59 PM by MSU158
Just remember, I never insulted or attacked anyone. I felt Dziewa and KJ deserved some strong defending. Because I didn't give in or back away I upset people? Also, I never said anyone was wrong or I was smarter than anyone. Hell, I even asked for anyone to use "facts" to prove me wrong.
1.)I thought Dziewa tried harder and was better than many thought. He just didn't have the skill set or physical attributes to make it "look" like he was. In the end he had a very solid career and went 2-2 twice at the NCAA tournament. He lost to AA Dutton and 3x AA Dardanes his Junior year and lost to AA Jack and AA Mayes his Senior year. I understand he didn't have the look or temperament that many wanted to see but the kid deserved some respect sticking it out at such a tough program.
2.)KJ took over for a program in upheaval with Sanderson leaving, similar to what happened at V Tech when Brands left. ISU is admittedly a more storied program, but this upheaval happened right when many teams like tOSU, Illinois, Michigan(where KJ had some ties to try to steal a few top recruits, now unlikely) Cornell and Missouri had done huge things and were poised to bring there programs closer to the established Iowa, PSU, OkState, and Minnesota group. His teams over the last 3 years have been competitive with the 5-10 group. And I believe he will continue to be competitive with that group. I just wanted to stress that the current top 10ish group are big DI schools with major National notoriety and great facilities with top notch RTC's. Any coach following Sanderson would have a hard time keeping ISU in the top 10.
If you want to "not like me" for what I said above. I really don't know what to say. I thought this was a board where the best(and usually most knowledgeable DI wrestling fans) would be excited to have a level headed conversation about the who's and what's of wrestling....................
This post was edited on 4/6 12:59 PM by MSU158
How about we send KJ to MSU...and that way, when they finish top 20 in the country, they can be ecstatic.
it's all about expectations and history.
Bobby Douglas raised the ISU program to heights where they were part of the Big 6...consistently. If I recall, they didn't really do much with the wrestling program facilities in the latest fundraising efforts, so how is it that Bobby Douglas can do something that Cael, and now KJ can't?
it's all about expectations and history.
Bobby Douglas raised the ISU program to heights where they were part of the Big 6...consistently. If I recall, they didn't really do much with the wrestling program facilities in the latest fundraising efforts, so how is it that Bobby Douglas can do something that Cael, and now KJ can't?
I would take him over Minkel in a heartbeat. I understand and respect all the tradition. I just don't think tradition is enough anymore.
There are so many factors now that Douglas didn't have to deal with. You truly can't count Sanderson as he was truly the biggest name in Wrestling(and probably still is). He could recruit if he was coaching Campbell. When the Internet and Social media took off just being Iowa, OkState and ISU was no longer enough. As I said before, I truly believe the other schools are catching(and some are passing) ISU up. The WHOLE University has to sell itself. ISU still is a great place to go wrestle. I am not saying they aren't. I am, however, saying that all the schools I have listed in this thread have what it take to sell themselves just as well, if not better.
Finally, I think KJ had it even harder following after Sanderson. I really think any coach that would have had to step into that job was going to have several hurtles to jump over and a bunch of hoops to jump through.
There are so many factors now that Douglas didn't have to deal with. You truly can't count Sanderson as he was truly the biggest name in Wrestling(and probably still is). He could recruit if he was coaching Campbell. When the Internet and Social media took off just being Iowa, OkState and ISU was no longer enough. As I said before, I truly believe the other schools are catching(and some are passing) ISU up. The WHOLE University has to sell itself. ISU still is a great place to go wrestle. I am not saying they aren't. I am, however, saying that all the schools I have listed in this thread have what it take to sell themselves just as well, if not better.
Finally, I think KJ had it even harder following after Sanderson. I really think any coach that would have had to step into that job was going to have several hurtles to jump over and a bunch of hoops to jump through.
Since Pollard is a former long distance runner and his kid is a star runner and committed to ISU I imagine he puts a bit of emphasis on track and cc.
The problem I see here is lowering of expectations, and Jaime Pollard quite frankly being okay with us being top 15 and not a perennial power.I realize that we don't have the prestige or history of Iowa, but being in the top 10 consistently is reasonable for a school with 7 team titles, 15 Olympians and 8 Olympic medals.Edinoboro got 3rd this year with little prestige and 5.5 scholarships. I don't see us getting a whole lot better the way the program is ran. I don't think KJ is a great recruiter, and I think there are some internal issues with the team (see our turnover rate and APR). I really think that wed be a lot better if we just had Travis as head and Trent as assistant. Terry Brands might not give us a title right away, but I would bet a lot of money we would be in the top 10 permanently.
That being said, I will continue to support ISU wrestling,CWC, go to all the meets and support the athletes. I believe KJ is working hard at bettering ISU wrestling, just not getting it done for a multitude of reasons.
That being said, I will continue to support ISU wrestling,CWC, go to all the meets and support the athletes. I believe KJ is working hard at bettering ISU wrestling, just not getting it done for a multitude of reasons.
I wonder how come the "biggest name in wrestling" couldn't even win the recruiting battles in the state he coached in (which is numero uno in why he left, IMO).
Well, you and everyone else on the planet has noticed that other schools are "catching" Iowa State. The results CLEARLY suggest that to be true. The issue is why? I'll give you a hint: It's not parity.
Agreed. Iowa State in my lifetime had always been a GREAT wrestling program. They gave some great Iowa teams fits on many, many occasions as far as duals go, and were always a MAJOR presence at the NCAA's.
I agree that the Paulsen's would be an upgrade. What have you got to lose? (besides fans, money, prestige, etc.)
I don't know Kevin Jackson at all, maybe he's a great guy, but he is obviously not getting it done, nor do I believe he's heading in that direction. I don't consider that an opinion, but if others do, so be it.
