Jason Heyward to decide on Cubs or Cardinals today
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Curious if the pricing jump in starters also will translate to OF's whose value is more defensively than offensively.
The Cards see him as an extension of their pitching staff. They've been priced out of the top end starters by stupid money by Boston and Arizona...so, run prevention becomes a higher priority knowing you're throwing out Lyons, Gonzalez and Cooney instead of Lynn and Lackey.
The Cards see him as an extension of their pitching staff. They've been priced out of the top end starters by stupid money by Boston and Arizona...so, run prevention becomes a higher priority knowing you're throwing out Lyons, Gonzalez and Cooney instead of Lynn and Lackey.
Cubs would have to do some salary gymnastics to make it work after picking up Zobrist. If they get Heyward expect them to make some deals to cut salary, especially since they have to worry about resigning Arrieta at some point.
Heyward would be a perfect fit for the Cubs. They don't need the offensive power he doesn't provide and badly need the defense he does give. And they can afford to go more years and AAS too.
I don't believe he's worth more than say $100M/5 years tops for St. Louis. That still rings to me as stupid money for the Cards, but it's an arms race of sorts again, teams are using more and more kids and not handing out stupid money to MOST "old" players like the steroid era, limiting good money to guys that deserve it.
St. Louis passed on Lackey's windfall...I see them passing on Heyward too if the demands reported are accurate. Besides, St. Louis has kid OF's ready to go in Grichuk and Piscotty with Holliday in left and Pham as the 4th OF. They got a handful of CF types almost ready to go also...speed/defensive/baserunner types.
You must develop your own kids en masse to be able to afford the cherries on top like what Heyward would be for say the Cubs. Soler/Baez/Russell/Bryant et al's cheapness make Heyward and Lester and Lackey possible.
I just don't see St. Louis ponying up that much cash, even though JH is relatively young for his experience. I think if he was more of a power hitter they'd bite. Great player, and with the Cubs' kid's power elsewhere in the lineup they can handle 15/60/.275 with his best in league defense he brings to the team.
With the Cards' lack of offense with the aging Holliday and Molina (Holliday's contract is up after 2016, Molina I believe 2017)...they need a bopper more than ever. Grichuk might supply that, and they need Adams to finally stay healthy and hit like they thought he was going to all along. I see them dipping their toes in the intermediate starter market more than anything else now...but I could be wrong.
I don't believe he's worth more than say $100M/5 years tops for St. Louis. That still rings to me as stupid money for the Cards, but it's an arms race of sorts again, teams are using more and more kids and not handing out stupid money to MOST "old" players like the steroid era, limiting good money to guys that deserve it.
St. Louis passed on Lackey's windfall...I see them passing on Heyward too if the demands reported are accurate. Besides, St. Louis has kid OF's ready to go in Grichuk and Piscotty with Holliday in left and Pham as the 4th OF. They got a handful of CF types almost ready to go also...speed/defensive/baserunner types.
You must develop your own kids en masse to be able to afford the cherries on top like what Heyward would be for say the Cubs. Soler/Baez/Russell/Bryant et al's cheapness make Heyward and Lester and Lackey possible.
I just don't see St. Louis ponying up that much cash, even though JH is relatively young for his experience. I think if he was more of a power hitter they'd bite. Great player, and with the Cubs' kid's power elsewhere in the lineup they can handle 15/60/.275 with his best in league defense he brings to the team.
With the Cards' lack of offense with the aging Holliday and Molina (Holliday's contract is up after 2016, Molina I believe 2017)...they need a bopper more than ever. Grichuk might supply that, and they need Adams to finally stay healthy and hit like they thought he was going to all along. I see them dipping their toes in the intermediate starter market more than anything else now...but I could be wrong.
As a Cubs fa I hope we don't land him. I've seen him play enough to know he's not an elite player.
Cardinals Rotation next year is
Wainwright
Martinez
Wacha
J Garcia
Gonzalas/Berhle
I totally expect Berhle to sign with the Cardinals
Wainwright
Martinez
Wacha
J Garcia
Gonzalas/Berhle
I totally expect Berhle to sign with the Cardinals
I will admit, that's what I thought of him too. He really is a valuable player. He just doesn't hit like you'd think a guy who is lauded like he is should. Defensively, he really is about as good as it's gotten in quite a while. He saves "hidden runs" all year long.
I can see that, as long as he's relatively cheap and short term. St. Charles raised I believe.
I just see a whole lot of fragile with those guys.
I will seriously never buy Aflac because your name is associated with the product. That's how dumb I think a majority of your posts are. I assumed it was a joke at first, but the more and more I read your posts I seriously think you have a little bit of mental retardation.
Where was it reported about $300 mill? All I had been seeing for the past several weeks is they were predicting it may be a 10 year $200 mill contract.
I heard last night on the APC (Brommelkamp's show) that they were saying $250, $275, or $300 million over 10 years. Maybe they were wrong, but Brommelkamp is pretty knowledgeable about baseball so I usually don't question what he says.
Where are you seeing or hearing $300 million?I am hearing $200 million over 10 years.
The first I heard 300 million was in this thread. Until then, it was in the neighborhood of 200.
7th highest WAR in baseball the last 2 years, .1 ahead of Anthony Rizzo. I'm down with $25 mil per year, I'd just be happier with 6-8 years instead of 10. But, I'd be happy with 10 if he helps get the Cubs a WS ring. Even a single ring would be worth it.
Sounds like he wants an opt out after 4 or 5 years. That could end up being a good deal for all parties.
That is the only way I like it if the Cubs sign Heyward. At his age he'll probably want to opt out for another shot at a huge contract in 4-5 years. I'm like SSGT, I am willing to spend a lot of the Rickett's family money, but when you get 7+ years on a deal that's just too much. But, for a ring?
The WAR. Is nice...But $25 million for a guy who hit .290 with 13HR and 60RBI? He's a career .268 hitter who hasn't hit more than 14HR in any of his last 3 years. No thanks.
You realize WAR is mostly figured using offensive stats, right? And that the current going rate is around $6.5 - 7 mil per win. At last year's WAR, he was around a $30-35 mil player. Even $25 mil is a good deal, assuming he comes anywhere close to what he has done recently.
Again, it's not the money that concerns me, it's the years. The longer the contract, the more important there's either an out in place or that he outperforms his early years enough to make up for his later years.
Yep, I'd be happier with a 5/150 than a 10/200. More per year, but on the hook for fewer years and less overall money.
Good way to be mistaken, and often. Mr. Brommelkamp sometimes confuses twitter with a news feed, which likely accounts for yesterday's misinformation.
All reports, including this language from espn posted this afternoon, puts the deal at 10/200 or thereabouts.
Cubs, Cards and maybe one more in Heyward derby; will it hit $200M?
December 10, 2015 1:24 pm ET
If it's five years then the Cubs have the money coming off the books needed to pay Bryant, or Russell, or Schwarber.
I heard on the Score today that Denard Spahn is the back up plan. I'd rather they just skipped plan B and go with a one year guy, or a patch work solution until the trade deadline and see what's out there. Spahn is crappy and injured.
Gah, if it's Spann, just go with Baez. He may strike out 200 times (I'd doubt it would be that much) but he'd give you some freaking incredible plays and HRS too.
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