Jewell's helmet to helmet was
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Targeting is the rule and we benefited from several of those calls for hits against us last year. Jewell made a old traditional football play but in today's game the guy by his own fault was completely oblivious and got lit up. Jewell could have just arm extension blocked him and that would have been good enough as King was flying by. It stinks but I get the call.
can't argue with the call at all, I do like the fact that he was being aggressive and trying to set the tone for the special teams unit. Tough reminder that you have to reign it in with the rules in today's football.
I just think there needs to be better review and allow for some level of interpretation. Clearly there was no intent to hit him in the head and there would have been no contact to either players head if the Miami player didn't stumble on his last step. Kicking a player out of the game due to an unlucky break or unlucky stumble is rather harsh.
The rule is too draconian. The toughest penalty in football is 15 yards, but now we have one new rule that has a penalty of 15 yards and a full game ejection.
Without the ability to determine intent, a game ejection is just too extreme. I don't have an alternative, but the ejection is just too much. Josey Jewell just lost 1/15th of his senior year due to what basically amounts to a mistake collision on a special teams play.
Without the ability to determine intent, a game ejection is just too extreme. I don't have an alternative, but the ejection is just too much. Josey Jewell just lost 1/15th of his senior year due to what basically amounts to a mistake collision on a special teams play.
I totally agree, almost made me sick. It was unbelievable nasty to watch. Although unintentional it was hard to believe the guy wasn't seriously injured.
That doesn't change the fact that Jewell led with his head with no intention of using his arms.
It was a good call. I don't think jewel had any intent to hurt the guy but the Ohio player seemed to stumble right before contact. Live and learn.
HAHAHAHA I've heard Ball State now Ohio.. Who the hell did we play yesterday?
When I watched it live at full speed, it looked clean and I was pumped. After seeing the replay, I have no problem with the call, even as unintentional as it was. Was it Josey's intention to starch the poor kid? No. But he was trying to blow a helmet sized hole through his chest and I want him to continue playing that way. I'm sure the coaches won't have him running stairs for that one...
To me, he looked like he was trying to hit him with a shoulder. The guy stumbles, and it becomes head-to-head. The same thing happens on tackles, the defender's head is to the side, and a stumble changes it to be head-to-head.
At the time I thought it was a riddiculous call. It seemed like he was trying to go low but the guy was coming down as well. Usually targeting looks like the guy turns himself into a middle and fires upward.
Watching it this morning though I agree with the call. It's the exact type of play the rule is meant to get rid of
Watching it this morning though I agree with the call. It's the exact type of play the rule is meant to get rid of
Josey turned that dude into a bobble head. Targeting was the right call though.
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anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0
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Agree ic.
http://thebiglead.com/2016/09/03/iowa-linebacker-josey-jewell-ejected-for-brutal-targeting/
Tough play but the rule has value.
The moral of the story is you have to remain under control of you body at all times. It's not like this rule is a new thing. There were multiple ways Josey could have avoided hitting the guy like that. Let's just hope he learned his lesson and it doesn't happen again. I'd rather see that happen against Miami of Ohio than against Wisconsin or Michigan.
It's not "America's PC/wussification crowd". It's lawyers and class action lawsuits for billions of dollars. Although they may work for the America's PC/wussification crowd. It doesn't help that the NFL tried to bury this for so long. Had they just come out and said, "Yeah, concussions are an issue. We'll do what we can to minimize them but this is a physical game that people get paid millions of dollars to play. It's part of the risk", they'd be in much better shape right now. While it may have affected youth leagues a bit, I doubt it would end most of them. Football is America's most popular sport for a reason and those haven't changed.
He lead with the crown of his helmet and that other kid could have had his career ended. I don't have a problem with the rule in this instance.
He led with his shoulder. If Miami doesn't trip there would have been no helmet contact.
It was a horror to observe and a sham on humanity. An egregious injustice upon the poor player that suffered such a misfortune.
Is that about what you were going for?
Wrong. He lead with the top of his head. Period.
Even if you were right (you arent] shoulder to helmet is still targeting and he would have been ejected. Particularly on that angle of a block which they are specifically enforcing
Yes but we don't want to look like the bad guys so we need to ham it up and treat it more seriously than it was.
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anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0
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Actually I would say that Josey was trying to hit with his shoulder, his head was still up and was aiming lower then where the players head was supposed to be. The player stumbled and dropped his head into the target path. Bang bang play and in the end he hit the players head so the call was correct.
It was a fluke. The kid was tripping and his head dipped down at the last half second.
If he isn't tripping Jewel's shoulder hits him in the chest which is legal.
If he isn't tripping Jewel's shoulder hits him in the chest which is legal.
Watch it again, pal. He intended to hit Miami in the chest with his shoulder. The guy tripped forward which ended up making the point of contact to be helmet to helmet. Otherwise Jewels' helmet wouldn't have touched him at all.
you know his head is connected to this thing called his neck which is connected to his shoulder.
the kid doesn't trip that play doesn't happen.
shoulder -> chest
no problems, no ejection. it was a fluke play.
If we just told you that you were right so that you would think you were right and won the argument would you let it go?
Probably not.
I am watching it right now in slow motion. His eyes are at the ground as contact is being made. His helmet crown is leading the way.
With it being an angle block this is exactly what the rule was made for.
I am watching it right now in slow motion he is leading with the crown of his head. Plus it is a "defenseless player".
Is he being suspended next year too? Thought he was a junior............
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anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0
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I agree that he should have been kicked out for the rule. However watch it again he hit the player with the shoulder and not the crown of his helmet. The side view is very clear
No one has ever argued that he didn't end up hitting the player with his head. You are looking at the play in slow motion with benefit of hindsight. Jewel's intended trajectory would have had his shoulder hit the player in the body. He had no way to anticipate the guy was going to stumble.
Right...but to be fair, it's hard for your helmet to be behind your shoulders on any hit. He was clearly aiming shoulder to chest and slipping his head into a space on the side where the opponent's head shouldn't have been. The Redhawk player stumbled and dipped his head into the path of live fire...it still would've been a defenseless player personal foul if he hit him shoulder to chest though.
Lots of Hawkeye Kool-Aid drunk opinions here. Josey absolutely led with his head, absolutely no reason to block that guy anyway, and absolutely deserved to be ejected.
i absolutely disagree. now what do we do?
let me throw in absolutely a few more times then i can claim to be the authority on the subject.
absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. there that's four total, i win.
It was a horror to observe and a sham on humanity. An egregious injustice upon the poor player that suffered such a misfortune.
Is that about what you were going for?
You're an idiot
