You already sold the soul of the conference in allowing Rutgers and Maryland in. You based that off an economic model that is dying in the cable subscriber who has no choice. Now you are meddling in replay and micro managing. Just go away...for good please.
Jim Delaney go away
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That is interesting. There is a story in The Gazette this morning from the BiG meetings about how the various coaches and ADs in the league are adamant about letting Delaney do whatever he wants because they're so delighted with his work thus far.
IMHO Delaney has kept the BIG viable, population, TV sets, are vital. I would like the BIG to go south but he did get us into some large population areas. This won't hurt recruiting. If the BIG was still at 10 it would be in danger of being in the same situation as the Big 12. waiting for Michigan and OSU to get plucked by another super conference.
Oh nonsense. Who was going to pluck them? The ACC? The Big East? Please.
God I would strip away the tax exempt status in a heartbeat if I could and treat these programs as corporations/
God I would strip away the tax exempt status in a heartbeat if I could and treat these programs as corporations/
Yes because all the "plucking" has been very rational. West VA makes a lot of sense in the Big 12 for example. I would rather reside in a plucking conference than a plucked conference. In hindsight, Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan would have been good pick ups for the ACC.
Take your tee hugging drivel to the OT board.
thankfully JR isn't in charge of so much as a popsicle stand. I'll let Delaney do what he does. He has done a great job thus far. B10 is in the best shape it has ever been in
Delany is as savvy of a businessman as you can find. He runs circles around the other conferences. Doesn't mean you have to agree with him, but Iowa will enjoy cashing its $40 million checks from new TV deals while everyone else is in the $15 to $20 million range.
Kinda wish they would not of picked up RU and Maryland. Instead they should have imploded the Big12 when they could of.
Big11 +
Nebraska
Missouri
Oklahoma
Kansas
and whomever else.
Big11 +
Nebraska
Missouri
Oklahoma
Kansas
and whomever else.
Live sports are one of the last bastions that undercut a la carte TV. Expanding the Big 10 TV market to more populous regions still isn't a bad move.
Secondly, yourself and many others seem to fail to realize that the B1G is far more than an athletic conference. There is also the issue as to whether the school is a "culture fit" for the conference AND whether the school is an academic fit for the conference. Big 10 schools are also a group of resource-sharing research universities. Given that state and federal funding are far lower on a relative scale than they were back in the 50s and 60s ... the schools need more ways to compensate for these shortfalls.
As research universities, both Maryland and Rutgers are outstanding fits. As public schools go, Rutgers is pretty prestigious academically. I cannot speak for their other departments, but in science and mathematics, BOTH Maryland and Rutgers are very strong. Given how much funding science, medicine, and engineering pull in for universities - those strengths equate to dollars.
Frankly, of all the recent additions, Nebraska is the addition that is the poorest fit academically. In Nebraska's defense, it has been making an enormous effort to improve their internal research infrastructure so that they can improve as a research institution. All I know is that the faculty were supporters of the move to the Big 10 because they knew that it could give their school a boost in reputation academically.
This is exactly right. Delaney has moved to build our value. Yes tradition has been shredded but that has happened everywhere. Thank god for Delaney or we could be like those poor saps in the Big 12. Despite what our Cyclone friends would like you to believe that conference is still a dumpster fire. Oh and with the new media rights deal the B1G is going to dwarf what all other conferences make.
None of the schools you list fit the academic criteria of the Big 10. It's enough of a wonder that they took Nebraska.
The Big 10 possibly would have been willing to take on Texas and Texas A&M - they had, far and away, the best academic reputations of the "old" Big 12.
In terms of academic reputation and the ability to deliver populous TV markets ... you're probably looking at places like Texas and Georgia Tech. I'm sure that officials would love to add some western schools ... but the Pac 12 is too stable to be poached like that.
Who's to say Kansas and Oklahoma won't join the B1G? To me those two are natural fits into the current B1G west. Geographically they would be perfect. Slide Purdue to the east and than you have two fairly balanced divisions for football. Both are major state universities that open a couple of new markets.
B1G conference revenue rises 33% in 1 year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/
OU isn't coming to the B1G. As an Iowa fan you shouldn't want it anyway. It would make it that much harder to win the West and you could kiss the Tgiving rivalry game with Nebby goodbye. When the B1G expands it will be to the East and they will pluck from the ACC.
Delany basically has the B1G printing money right now. He has done a fantastic job. Cable/Satellite subscriptions will be a very big player in the TV industry for a long time. Iowa will probably make a billion dollars from TV deals before cable/satellite subscriptions really start going away.
Nebraska is a member of some academic organization that all Big Ten schools are, it was not a statistical decision.
The Big 12 has issues because it has a low population base overall. The Big 10 would not have ended up like that. I understand the CIC just fine and I know that the U of Chicago is still a non-athletic member of the conference and Johns Hopkins is now as well. If we are going this direction, just go all the way; Strip non profit status, spin these things off from the universities as corporations. Quit the stupid pretense.
This might be the dumbest post on HR. Delaney, as much as you hate him, is making the Big 10 the most valuable conference, sorry SEC. The new TV deal that is in the works will dwarf the SEC's with CBS and ESPN and will be basically what the ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 make together. Delaney has done everything in his power to turn the Big 10 back into the power and none of Iowa's facilities wouldn't have happened had Delaney not been as business savvy as he is. Being an Iowa fan, I think having Delaney as the commissioner is only helping Iowa.
Nebraska is the lone Big 10 member that is NOT a member of the AAU (American Association of Universities).
The academic side of the Big 10 is essentially referred to as the Committee on Institutional Cooperation - and it is comprised of all the B1G schools in addition to the University of Chicago (which was one of the original Big 10 schools anyhow).
Anyhow, I have no idea what you are talking about in saying that it wasn't a "statistical" decision. The truth of the matter is that Nebraska does fit the Big 10's original Midwestern roots (its a good culture fit) - and it has the potential to catch up with the rest of the schools in terms of academics. I'm sure that one of the conditions of their admission is that the school would take measures to "fit in" in terms of academics/research.
Given that Nebraska has an excellent and successful athletic department doesn't hurt their cause. Nor does it hurt their cause that they give the Big 10 a bit more of an "in" in the Kansas City and Colorado TV markets too.
Fox is as dumb as they come, and they will regret this contract very much as less and less households will even have FS1
If you knew that - then why claim that Delaney sold the Big 10's soul?
Perhaps you feel that the Big 10 should more exclusively be a Midwestern organization? You don't like the east-coast influence?
It cannot be about athletics - because throughout the history of the Big 10, many schools have been relative athletic "doormats" through the decades. Rutgers may be down in the short term ... but if Northwestern can be competitive, then so can Rutgers. Maryland is already a "fit" in basketball ... and given the ambition of corporate sponsors ... its likely only a matter of time before Maryland improves in football too.
The Big 10 was a Midwestern Conference. Delaney sold its soul for a generation of TV money. It won't be there forever. In 20-30 years It will all be streaming and cable/satellite will be dead and the business model he whored out the conference with will be dead with them.
JR, you sound like a pompous, self-righteous antagonist. In the meantime, with all of this money flowing in, the BIG schools can all upgrade their facilities to better compete against the other conferences. Well done Delaney!
This is apparently the first JR post you've read.
Yeah because he hasn't put the conference in basically the best position to take advantage of that business model when it becomes the best option. Hopefully the leader of the conference at that time will have Delany's vision.
Nebraska treats it's medical campus as a separate entity which is why they lost status academically. Had their structure incorporated their medical facilities into what was being evaluated they would not have lost the designation. I would imagine they are in the process of correcting that mistake as well as upgrading other areas. Affiliation with the big ten will mean a continued improvement and a huge positive impact on that state.
Maryland and Rutgers don't fit academically? Nonsense. Rutgers sits smack dab in the pharmaceutical corridor and Maryland is sitting adjacent to DC. Both are strong in research and have geographic access to things that benefit the bignorant ten tremendously from a research standpoint.
Research in the big ten makers athletics look like a girl scout troop selling cookies.
Maryland and Rutgers don't fit academically? Nonsense. Rutgers sits smack dab in the pharmaceutical corridor and Maryland is sitting adjacent to DC. Both are strong in research and have geographic access to things that benefit the bignorant ten tremendously from a research standpoint.
Research in the big ten makers athletics look like a girl scout troop selling cookies.
True. Consequently, research groups already work in collaboration with other groups across the country. However, funding sources these days are inclined towards funding groups that have exceptional organization infrastructure. Not long before I was at the University of Texas, they built a building that became the Institute for Computational Engineering and Sciences - they did that just to be able to gain more grant money. Similarly, just before I was at the University of Illinois, they had built the Institute for Genomic biology ... again, just to show granting agencies that they had the infrastructure available to do whatever research they were writing grants for. Fighting for funding is an arms race ... every bit as competitive as it is in football recruiting. However, the amount of money is larger ... often larger by orders of magnitude.
The ability to claim extra sharing of resources (as is done by the CIC), helps that much more. Furthermore, the organizational infrastructure is already in place and that provides extra benefits to the participating members (and the newbies that join).
On top of all of the above, the institutions are competing to get top students in their classes and working in their labs. Athletics is a great resource for universities in terms of advertising. Success in sports often shines a brighter spotlight on the institution ... and consequently often lures more quality people in the door.
Also, don't get me wrong - I'm a terrible traditionalist. I dislike all the expansions. I dislike the playoff system. I miss the old days of fewer bowls games and bowl games without sponsors in their names. The only thing I do like more these days is that I like the greater parity in college football and I like the increased coverage. I love the fact that I can watch every Hawkeye game on TV. This may sound foreign to younger people - but there once was a day when only a few games of your favorite team were televised a year - and you needed to catch those few occasions whenever you could (unless you could catch the game in person at Kinnick).
Parity is a myth. We will never compete with OSU unless scholarships are dropped to 65.
Yes, I remember when it wasnt on TV. I remember going to 1 PM games at Kinnick.
It still all sucks, but will probably go extinct because of the concussion thing anyway by 2050
Yes, I remember when it wasnt on TV. I remember going to 1 PM games at Kinnick.
It still all sucks, but will probably go extinct because of the concussion thing anyway by 2050
