Jimmys and Joes
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I feel fine contributing to SWARM and I feel even better calling out stiffs like you who don't.
I've lived in iowa city for 25 years and season ticket holder as well. seen many of the hawkeyes up close through the years. we went to the game and stayed at the hotel in Pasadena where the Bruins stayed. these boys were much bigger and looked more athletic than my Hawkeyes!! We were even joking before the game, maybe we can just play better/smarter?? cuz these dudes look waaay bigger?bettter!!!!
Outstanding for you. So at last count they had about 2000 members. Maybe you should let the vast majority Of Iowa fans know that they're stiffs, who haven't been duped like you have.
Try to keep up here to just how stupid this is. So fans pay for tickets, concessions, merch AND TV revenue. They ARE the payers already. Thats WHERE all the money comes from. The Media companies and athletic dept charge "the fans" in order to collect all the $$. They are the wealth gatherers. THEN they want "the fans" to double down AGAIN and pay high school kids and transfers to go to school for a free education worth 100's of thousands, even though the Athletic dept, and the media outlets are the ones gathering all the wealth, NOT the fans who get ZERO financial gain. And you think that "the fans" should foot the bill to pay players as well. Absolutely ridiculous.....
LOL - Buying a hotdog and coke doesn't bring in better players, sorry that you believe it does. Buying a ball cap also doesn't bring in better players sorry you believe it does.
Please provide more information on how you the fan brings in TV revenue, I can't wait to hear that lame story.
I might have to start collecting pop cans to support the program.
God forbid I should be lumped in with the stiffs.
God forbid I should be lumped in with the stiffs.
100% this. NIL and the collectives are a disaster. People are free to do what they want with their money, but the whole financial structure of college athletics is crazy to me...
The university collects MILLIONS for the entertainment value that the players/coaches provide. Yet they don't have to pay the players anything other than scholarships and some other perks. Universities are having their cake and eating it too.
At some point there has to be salary paid by the school, with salary caps. No idea what this does to all the other sports teams that are funded by football. A lot of funding to other programs will have to be slashed to pay football players to keep the cash cow going.
Donating to the Swarm doesn't bring better players. Cade wouldn't play at NIU. Keep throwing your money at the Swarm so the CEO can feel super important while adding little value to the actual athetic departments. You got duped. Just admit it.....or don't.
The money the University brings in from Athletics is all eaten up by the Athletic Department. The Academic side doesn’t get any of that except for payments from the Athletic Department to repay money the University loaned it for the revenue lost to the Covid year. Prior to Covid there were a few years when the Athletic Department gave a million or two to the Academic side but that was rare and stopped with Covid. I think it would be great if the Athletic Department could give 5 million per year to the Academic programs over and above paying for scholarships. With the college sports landscape as it is now I don’t see that ever happening.
Who do you think pays these companies to have access to these sports packages, and the B!G network, and streaming services? Who do you think pays for the tickets to games. Take a breath, and pull your head out of your A--......
Exactly, and the problem is too vast to unwind under KF’s watch. It’s just a mess.
On one hand he says stupid shit like “we shop for talent at different stores.” It’s his job to compete for talent, and he’s used the Iowa excuse for decades. Somehow other small market schools find ways to attract talent.
On another, he can’t attract talent to play here because his philosophies are so antiquated (every single one of them BTW) that nobody in their right mind would play here while he’s the face of the program.
I guess you have to let him hang around and drive the program into the tank while he pursues Woody’s record, but at what cost? Doner and fan apathy, lost recruits, perception of the program, questions about racial discrimination that KF claims he didn’t know existed… If he’s that asleep at the wheel (and he certainly is) it’s finally, mercifully just time to run his ass out. He will not go on his own.
He hasn't looked particularly good either this year or last when he was healthy, but I bet Kirk can't wait to run him back out there as soon as he's able.
LOL - What the University brings in from ticket sales is peanuts compared to what they get from TV revenue which by the way is funded by sponsors who pay big money to run commercials on.
Your season ticket and occasional t shirt purchase does nothing to lure top talent to Iowa City. Get a clue you are doing zero, zilch, nada, to help the Hawkeyes.
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And what you think your donation and the other 1999 dupes paying high school players is doing anything? Waste of money, and doing absolutely nothing to stay anywhere near the OSU's of the game, and never will. Talk about clueless......I'll guarantee you those tickets, seat premiums, merch, and media payments add up to WAY more money then what the swarm is raising because most people realize that "the fan's" should not be paying players.....
Exactly. SWARM doesn’t bring any value. Whoever performs talent evaluation, acquisition, retention, and value estimation does, with the money they receive from SWARM.
Our track record is not so hot, given the collective started off in not such a bad position. Who knows how they rank, or what the coffers hold at this point.
‘So fans pay for tickets, concessions, merch AND TV revenue. They ARE the payers already. Thats WHERE all the money comes from. The Media companies and athletic dept charge "the fans" in order to collect all the $$. They are the wealth gatherers.’
I need a little help. Can you let all of us know how much of this wealth can be transferred from the school to the players? I mean on top of their scholarships and other payments allowed by the NCAA. It must be substantial. I look forward to your insight.
I need a little help. Can you let all of us know how much of this wealth can be transferred from the school to the players? I mean on top of their scholarships and other payments allowed by the NCAA. It must be substantial. I look forward to your insight.
I hope someone can jump in on this one. Last I recall, for 2025, wasn’t the approximate ceiling the school can divvy out to all of their athletes in the neighborhood of $20-22 million? This includes all sports, and you can’t keep an organization from paying someone for odd jobs, so unfortunately, NIL/collectives will remain a thing.
So that huge amount of payors money is the same at all schools?
So collectives will still be an important part? Contrary to what the clueless posters think?
Not a penny of the tickets, seat premiums, merch and media payments go to players. It goes to everyone but the players.
Could be the same, but most likely not. For P2 schools and maybe some non-P2, albeit fewer.
Soooo, that means most can allocate nearly the same, if they prefer, so differentiation? Collectives.
I don’t think posters are clueless, although admittedly I feel clueless half the time. I think it’s so new, so many details, in such short time. The real frustration is I don’t even believe the school payout situation has been legally approved yet. 🤷🏻♂️
I apologize for not stating this more clear. I'm aware that ticket sales don't go to the players. My point was that "the fans" already pay for all these things including seat charges and many things that keep funding the schools and the media which gives THEM the schools and media the opportunity to generate this tremendous wealth. Its from those entities the money to pay players their share should come from. They ( the media and schools) gather this wealth, hence they should be the ones paying. "The fans" already pay their share in this process, and they get zero financial gain from any of this, so asking them to double down and also pay the players on top of that seems absurd.
"Its from those entities the money to pay players their share should come from."
should but currently don't
"hence they should be the ones paying"
they will be, but it will be the same at each of the schools
"The fans" already pay their share in this process, and they get zero financial gain from any of this, so asking them to double down and also pay the players on top of that seems absurd.
Very true, but even though it is absurd it is the current and in the near future the reality. People can object on principal(my father would have been one) and hope that others pick up the slack or Iowa can become Purdue without the basketball accomplishments.
Kind of like taxes, you can b*tch about them all you want but they aren't going anywhere.
Lolol. Thank you. We have NEVER and will NEVER have the resources in tradition, recruiting resources, or $$$$ to compete with those schools much the same as most of the remaining P4 schools. We'll just disagree if you think the swarm or any such collective is going to get Iowa or 40-50 other schools anywhere near that top group. We'll spend more money and they'll spend even more, and we won't make up a bit of ground. The best thing that could possibly happen is if the top schools went their merry way with their wagon load of cash. While I can admire your steadfast belief that we will somehow overtake this discrepency, I don't see that ever happening, and its not just Iowa, its all but a handful of schools. Remember too once "the fans" throw this money in the pot, its gone if we stay right where we are in recruiting, games won etc...which is exactly what I'd predict will happen. No refund, no consolation, just buyers remorse..
I'll just disagree on the last paragraph. This system as it is currently is not going to stand the test of time. All these P4 teams will do their best to hang in for a few years, maybe longer, and I'd bet 6,8,10 years from now its going to have been those same teams winning titles that have been for most of the last 25 years. This system isn't going to fix the "rich getting richer". Its only going to highlight the disparity even more. Then these groups, collectives, and certainly the average fans are going to look back at this and think, "just what in the hell am I giving this money for exactly".
I believe you are wrong especially if you focus on basketball, if you can bring in 2 exceptional players because of NIL then you can make a run for a Elite 8 or beyond. You seem to blame the NIL for failure in getting the school near the top group. It is up to the coaches to identify the players they need and then see if the NIL can come up with necessary resources to secure that player. We the fans should be the ones supporting the NIL and ensuring they have the funding needed.
Outstanding. We will in fact agree to disagree. I do find it interesting that you just switched your argument to basketball, to me acknowledging that we will NEVER compete with the top schools on a $$ basis in football. (You know the sport that actually pays for all the others in the athletic program). I'll just take my opposing point right from your last sentence. At NO point now or EVER should "we the fans" be the ones paying players. Not now not ever.
I wish you good health, and good luck. Maybe in five years we can revisit this total shit show, and see just where this nonsense has led....
Lololol.. Oh, do they now? What the courts signed off on as NIL has nothing at all to do with whats currently going on with these, "collectives" gathering funds and paying players.....
I don’t dispute the initial intention, but they have also offered opinion on pay for work, contractual or otherwise. Regardless, the collectives will continue to redefine the compensated job role, and the litigation will keep popping up. If someone wants to accept pay for work, it’s hard to argue the illegality of it. Even if you and I, or anyone else, would dispute said “work.”
In other words, I don’t disagree with you, and I think this isn’t good for CFB, but legally this is a tough fight.
I'd agree totally. This is a mess created over years of NCAA malfeasance, and the courts opening other issues which will be ongoing. Are they "employees". Unionization battles etc.. This will only get worse before we see much clarity...
If the Swarm would concentrate on providing money for the basketball program, I might be willing to give even more than I currently do. Football doesn't seem to be providing much in the way of positive returns. Wonder how much McNamara is getting for his mediocre play.
