OP clearly doesn't understand the game of basketball if he thinks JW is hurting the team by being on the floor. Just absolutely beyond stupid.
Joe Wieskamp should come off of the bench
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I don't care about the shooting slump and I'm not going to pretend that I don't care about Weiskamp being a Hawk, I am thrilled he's here and representing our university/ state.
My concern is confidence and effort.
Yes, Joe is getting a lot of minutes and having to deal with some tough offensive responsibilities but I have no clue why he is gun shy. He played for a horrible basketball team in high school and single handedly led them to state. He kept shooting in all those games and faced double and triple teams all four years I am sure. Some of you argue that he's missing shots with a hand in his face... yeah, he's been there and done that. He's that good. He's been successful in that situation so I don't think he would use that as an excuse. I would also argue that he has had plenty of looks to get off an open shot and hasn't taken it. He has to be ready to let it fly for an uncontested shot.
So, put the ball on the floor and drive to create an easier shot!? As some pointed out, he can't.
One reason is that it's clogged by Garza, Kriener or Pemsl... sure. There other is that his confidence is so shaky there now as well. He got tied up twice just trying to take his man off the dribble last night and got caught picking up his dribble with no plan. He has also been getting rejected or missing contested layups more than I can recall recently.
I would maybe like to see Fran call some more sets to get Joe easy looks to post (which he has if you noticed) but can't get him the ball. In my opinion, he needs to see the easy ones go in to boost some confidence.
Last thing in this long, worthless, tired post of mine is that I'm frustrated with effort. If he's hurt, that is one thing and I applaud him for giving his best effort. BUT... he is getting destroyed down the court in transition defense. Sometimes he pouts after a turnover or missed shot and didn't do the work to get back. That is what really makes me mad and I'm sure he has to see it on film.
Ugh... enough from me. Joe will still be a better Hawk and more athletic than any of us on this board. He's still got our support but this is what message boards are for, venting frustration.
My concern is confidence and effort.
Yes, Joe is getting a lot of minutes and having to deal with some tough offensive responsibilities but I have no clue why he is gun shy. He played for a horrible basketball team in high school and single handedly led them to state. He kept shooting in all those games and faced double and triple teams all four years I am sure. Some of you argue that he's missing shots with a hand in his face... yeah, he's been there and done that. He's that good. He's been successful in that situation so I don't think he would use that as an excuse. I would also argue that he has had plenty of looks to get off an open shot and hasn't taken it. He has to be ready to let it fly for an uncontested shot.
So, put the ball on the floor and drive to create an easier shot!? As some pointed out, he can't.
One reason is that it's clogged by Garza, Kriener or Pemsl... sure. There other is that his confidence is so shaky there now as well. He got tied up twice just trying to take his man off the dribble last night and got caught picking up his dribble with no plan. He has also been getting rejected or missing contested layups more than I can recall recently.
I would maybe like to see Fran call some more sets to get Joe easy looks to post (which he has if you noticed) but can't get him the ball. In my opinion, he needs to see the easy ones go in to boost some confidence.
Last thing in this long, worthless, tired post of mine is that I'm frustrated with effort. If he's hurt, that is one thing and I applaud him for giving his best effort. BUT... he is getting destroyed down the court in transition defense. Sometimes he pouts after a turnover or missed shot and didn't do the work to get back. That is what really makes me mad and I'm sure he has to see it on film.
Ugh... enough from me. Joe will still be a better Hawk and more athletic than any of us on this board. He's still got our support but this is what message boards are for, venting frustration.
Good post. I agree. Much of our offense goes through Luka. The others have to be ready to be in a good position and distribute the ball or take a good shot if the situation warrants.
Good post and pretty accurate IMO. The only thing I would add is JW needs to keep his head up and pull up for a shot before he crashes into the defense collapsing. Also, the thing that has me frustrated his apparent lack of effort unless he truly is hurt.
It's not just his 3s. He has been missing close to the basket. He has been driving and turning it over. He is getting out hustled. He is in a mental funk.
That depends a bit on where you are on the court and your defensive philosophy. If you feel the other team is a threat to run and much tougher open court than when your half court D is set up, then you put a premium on having guys get back.
Is the injury thing just speculation as a possible explanation of performance, or are you responding to more specific info?
Man if only we could, he would be a monster to deal with that is for sure
No, I just meant unless he is hurt to explain his recent play. Someone mentioned it earlier, but in the same context.
Their not guarding JT or BE either, should we not play any of them? Most teams now are picking their poison , and figure its better to double and help with a third guy on Luka, and let the guards shoot. We still managed to be pretty good as long as the guards are hitting SOMETHING. Against PSU JT and BE made the lions pay for that strategy, but against PU they didn't.
I'm pretty sure he didn't face the kind of athletic defenders at Muscatine that he is now. Currently he's drawing the opponents best perimeter defender, and help when he gets in the lane. Like a lot of players its the first time in his career he's facing guys who are even more athletic then he is. Last year he wasn't the focal point of Iowa's offense. Teams have realized they can't stop Garza even with the doubles, so they've focused on trying to take out number 2 guy, and thats Joe. He'll figure it out, hopefully in the tournament he'll play much looser.
There isn't a viable option to replace him IMO. Could be Kriener, but as others have stated, that puts CJ in a really bad position as he will get smothered and doesn't give Fran an option if Garza gets in foul trouble. Joe needs a couple shots to fall and be more selective / decisive when he puts the ball on the floor. Take a couple dribbles to get to an open spot and go up with a jumper or drive and kick. When he drives into traffic with no plan he gets into trouble.
Agree. Joe T and Evelyn are really good FT shooters. Get some to the basket action and get to the line. Neither are going to set the world on fire from 3, so get them in spots where they can impact the game in some capacity. Seems like they both drive looking to dump it off to Garza which is great when Garza isn't blanketed. Connor has to look for some shots inside the arc...get back to the floaters and runners. Offense consists of Garza or jacking 3's lately.
How much more time can the hawks afford? Will only be 3 more games if Joe keeps playing like he has
Just to mention, Gabe Kalscheur of Minny has scored 28 pts over the last 3 games. He's known as a scorer, albeit streaky, isn't he?
Takes the prize as the dumbest post of the thread.
I'm sure looking forward to Weesy being a Hawk two more years, and I expect him to be one of the best players on some of the best Iowa teams we have had in decades.
Although I agree with them obviously being better defenders, he played some pretty tough teams with D1 players guarding him and usually a schools best defenders.
I hope you are right and cheering for him to get it turned around Sunday!
I think it can be frustrating when teams grab and bump him all game. Watch Iowa set screens defenses absolutely mug cutters but Refs focus on the Screen and ignore the holding and grabbing. I also think he tries to make the team play too much. Honestly I think the whole team will be happy to play a non-big ten team this conference is just so physical. We are too don't get me wrong but after 20 games of the same crap you get sick of it. If he caught someone with an elbow I wouldn't blame him.
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Sometimes changing things up can help a player relax and get him back on track, so I would absolutely explain that thinking to Joe W and start Kreiner vs. Illinois. I will be shocked if Fran does it. It's not his style. But it would make sense and, given recent results, how could it possibly hurt?
Fran could sub Joe in at any moment, but not starting him could change the dynamic just enough to make a difference.
It's what many of us have long complained about with KF. Stop doing the same damn ineffective thing over and over and over and expect a different result. Doing so truly is madness.
Given Joe W's sensitive psyche, he probably wouldn't admit it, but he'd probably welcome the chance to slip into the game a few minutes after tip-off. But we'll probably never know.
So all we can do is hope Joe W will remember how to score from behind the arc.
Fran could sub Joe in at any moment, but not starting him could change the dynamic just enough to make a difference.
It's what many of us have long complained about with KF. Stop doing the same damn ineffective thing over and over and over and expect a different result. Doing so truly is madness.
Given Joe W's sensitive psyche, he probably wouldn't admit it, but he'd probably welcome the chance to slip into the game a few minutes after tip-off. But we'll probably never know.
So all we can do is hope Joe W will remember how to score from behind the arc.
I meant to agree and add ‘and keep driving’ as the best way to get out of a slump is to get baskets at the rim and at the line.
Wieskamp can finish at the rim in multiple fashions, all high FGA% shots.
i agree with Bobby Hansen “Don’t settle for 3’s on the road...” get to the rim.
I do think he could develop a secondary game of short range jumpers, floaters, bank shots. As we’ve seen Garza develop a multitude of scoring moves from all over, mid range, jack sikma reverse pivot, for example
Joe has so much more in the tank than 3’s or finishing at the rim (particularly when there is an obvious blocker with a favorable blocking path at the rim
and they would see that this fan base is not any different than any other team .
Following your shot is not something you are supposed to do above the freethow line extended.
You are supposed to get back on defense.
In the paint, yes go after the rebound.
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