JR Koch, on fan support: "Honestly, it is sad reading all the comments."
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So doing the same thing over and over again is ok with you? I need to grow up because I criticize poor performance?
You make a lot of unwarranted assumptions about what I believe. For starters, I have made no comparisons of fab bases.
Who has said that about Licklighter depths? Not me. I will say, though, that a .500 record is mediocre. It may not be as good as we want, but it doesn’t stink. Several B1G schools have fared far worse over the past 14 years.
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So go find a winning team to support and quit complaining about the team some of us like
I don't think Fran calls out his players enough, at least not so fans can see it. Not sure if it would motivate the players, but at least fans would believe that Fran gives a damn. For example, in most games Freeman has been soft and out of position regularly. If Fran called him out, would it help? Owen has the skill set to be a lot better than we have seen most of the current season.
Counterpoint, football games aren't played on Tuesday evenings at 7pm. I'm not driving 2 hours one way for that. But there is no reason they can't scrape together 12-13k ppl from the IC/CR area. This is moreso an immediate area fan support issue than an all encompassing fan issue. Look to games played outside of Iowa city at "neutral" sites for evidence. IC fans suck. There, I said it.
I dislike any coach who calls out his players publicly. When the crap Kirk took a few years back when he made a joke about not wanting to have to put in Deuce against Nebraska if he was forced to?
I mostly agree with you, but there are times when a coach needs to speak out publicly, not every game or every single mistake. He also needs to voice the positive, even more. I think the Wisky players might have done Fran and Iowa a favor. As bad as it was, it might have been better in the long run (maybe not our NET) than losing the usual competitive game in the Kohl center.
I fall back on the philosophy that you praise in public and criticize in private.
And yeah, sometimes it is better to just get your ass kicked soundly and tell everyone that everything wasn’t ready for bad; vs thinking that minor tweaks are needed.
Frankly, the takeaway from the last two games should be that when the effort is good, Iowa plays well. They’re not good enough to just rely on talent alone (most teams aren’t).
Not sure he has to call them out, but he could certainly have an up and close discussion on the sideline with them. He babies his players, thus Iowa plays soft. JMO
Tell me you’ve never seen Fran year into them during timeouts without telling me.
Good lord.
Yes he has to the team, not necessarily to a specific player which is my point. Maybe strongly/quietly talking to a player off to the side versus yelling at the team. Good lord to you too.
And I think calling out a specific player isn’t something that should be done in public.
Those guys know when they’ve screwed up. There’s no need to embarrass/humiliate them in front of the team/fans.
I agree calling out someone in public is not usually beneficial to anyone. But a conversation at the moment (or close) can get someone's attention without embarrassing them and be a positive experience. Like I said "strongly/quietly talking to a player off to the side".
And he speaks to them, or one of the assistants do, quietly often during the game.
Based on play, I think the coaches might want to speak a little more forcefully when they see repeated defensive lapses and guys not hitting the boards. I am waiting to see the big guys and Traore play with some fire around the basket. Dix and Thelwell are self motivated, and the Sandfort bros are just never going to be good defenders. I am not at the games, but I hope there is some communication going on between players on the defensive end. That is what made Woody a really good defender, and his leadership allowed a good team defense.
As someone else already pointed out, this is about entertainment, and when people aren't entertained then they tend to switch to something else. Especially now that games are on different streaming services. I wouldn't be concerned about complaining because there will always be complaining. I would be more concerned about when the complaining stops because they've moved on to something else. I'd love it if during my job review my manager wasn't allowed to say anything bad, plus I make millions of dollars.
Which is what’s frustrating…there IS that communication, but it’s inconsistent. I’ve never sat close enough to know if that’s stuff they’re barking out in game but players aren’t responding, if they’re trusting the players to do it themselves, or what.
What was frustrating about the Nebraska game, is that for the last 15 min of regulation + OT, that communication/effort was there defensively and the comeback was on. Idk why that wasn’t there before.
A fan never killed one of Fran's kids.
One of Fran's kids killed a fan.
Which side is worse?
It needs to be between the players and from the coaches for team defense to be good, especially when you have some unathletic guys on the court.
Freeman hasn't really shown that much this year. He'd be coming off the bench of any blueblood program. Let's see how he does against Indiana's 7ft 275lb center. I'm a fan, but he needs to show up and finish in the paint more consistently.
It really is just a few hardcore Fran Fans that have suggested the program might return to LIckliter levels without Fran. Certainly anything is possible so I wouldn't discount the possiblity of another bad hire, just like it is possible we might have a home run hire like what ISU did with TJ Otzelberger.
The definition of Mediocre is of " only moderate quality; not very good" and that seems to fit Fran's tenure.
I think Fran is about 6 or so games above 0.500 for his 14+ year B1G regular season record and a few games below 0.500 for his BTT record, so in end just a few games above 0.500 in B1G overall. Certainly that isn't BAD, but it is not surprising that people aren't enamored with a product that is just mediocre during regular season and downright crappy come tournament time in March.
The original posts are about stuff happening on Twitter. The posts that are made on this board that are negative are not in the Player's faces, directed at them like Twitter. IF Cooper or other player's can't take it, they can quit Twitter. I don't see it as a big issue---besides players are professionals now with complete freedom to play at any school that wants them.
Barta gave this extension and golden parachute to a .500 coach in the dead of night with no release to the media. Chad Leistikow had to do a FOIA to dig it up.
Yeah, that tells you all you need to know about Barta and what he gave Fran. Way too much.
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