Karen Pence will teach at school that bans gay students and parents

[torbee]

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I don't understand how that is homophobic at all.

You think it's a coincidence that so many of these right-wing, religious zealots end up resigning tearfully after their "deep secret" is revealed or they are toe-tapping dudes in men's rooms?

I am pretty sure there is quite a bit of evidence in psychiatry about repressed desire and self loathing manifesting itself in outward attacks of others.

 

[torbee]

Indeed. At least I don't make up rumors about Cook.


@Legend12

It's a little early to be day-drinking on a Wednesday, but nevertheless, I commend you ya drunken hooligan.

 

[Wendy79]

I don't understand how that is homophobic at all.

You think it's a coincidence that so many of these right-wing, religious zealots end up resigning tearfully after their "deep secret" is revealed or they are toe-tapping dudes in men's rooms?

I am pretty sure there is quite a bit of evidence in psychiatry about repressed desire and self loathing manifesting itself in outward attacks of others.

Right, but when it's used as an insult, it's homophobic.

 

[torbee]

Right, but when it's used as an insult, it's homophobic.

I guess. More often than not, though, when I see it it's more of a "dude, seriously, we ALL know you are a self-loathing closeted gay dude with a creepy beard of a psycho wife."

At least that is how both myself, my spouse and our gay friends use it when talking about the Pences.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

There’s just something funny about teaching art at a school that hates gays. Think of how terrible art would be without gay influence.

 

[ANYCHawk]

What kind of gay test do they use to make sure a kindergartner is legit?

They play the soundtrack to rent and if the kids starts singing...they out

 

[Wendy79]

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I believe homosexual acts are sinful but even I would tell you this isn't a good look for the second lady of the United States.

I am also wondering why this school does not ban divorced employees.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

gays = sinners

raw dogging porn stars while 3rd wife gives birth to child = good christian

 

[Joes Place]

Think of how terrible art would be without gay influence.

Luckily, we have a real world example of what this would be like....

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I believe homosexual acts are sinful but even I would tell you this isn't a good look for the second lady of the United States.

I am also wondering why this school does not ban divorced employees.

Arguments for this position outside of the same moral codes that say eating shrimp is a sin and that God will help Christians track down and kill their enemies? TIA

 

[strummingram]

Arguments for this position outside of the same moral codes that say eating shrimp is a sin and that God will help Christians track down and kill their enemies? TIA

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They say it because... well, they're threatened by it. Fortunately, the discrimination and harsh attitude and actions against it are quickly vanishing. Alan Turing was forced to undergo chemical castration in the 1950's in England. The man who basically won WWII (yes, he did), was effectively murdered by English persecution of homosexuality. That is in the past, now.

God has no preference of anything. People have the preferences. And, God having a problem with people choosing to love one another sounds like a God who flunked-out of Divinity School.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Arguments for this position outside of the same moral codes that say eating shrimp is a sin and that God will help Christians track down and kill their enemies? TIA

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If one understands the greek words in the bible it is condemned, even in the NT. The thing is that the word covers a wide range of sexual sins and essentially means any sort of sexual interaction that is not between a heterosexual married couple.

Translations are imperfect.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

gays = sinners

raw dogging porn stars while 3rd wife gives birth to child = good christian

Actually if you look the whole requirements and not just the homosexuality bits, Donald Trump wouldn't be able to work there because it does specifically say no extramarital sex.

There are a few out there who think Trump is a good Christian. I think a lot of them are more or less willing to put up with him for SCOTUS picks. My wife's aunt is like that.

 

[Joes Place]

If one understands the greek words in the bible it is condemned, even in the NT. The thing is that the word covers a wide range of sexual sins and essentially means any sort of sexual interaction that is not between a heterosexual married couple.

Translations are imperfect.

But concubines are fine and dandy.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

But concubines are fine and dandy.

Based on what? I hardly think you would find that in the NT.

 

[Joes Place]

Based on what? I hardly think you would find that in the NT.

It's not. It's all over the OT. But then again....there's nothing about "gays", either.

Jesus never mentioned them. Once.
Made LOTS of comments about rich folks, brash/arrogant folks, etc. Nothing about gays. Ever.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

It's not. It's all over the OT. But then again....there's nothing about "gays", either.

Jesus never mentioned them. Once.
Made LOTS of comments about rich folks, brash/arrogant folks, etc. Nothing about gays. Ever.

And the one apostle who did, Paul, was an anti-Christian zealot who once executed Christians, then was a fanatic convert who was as much of an extremist the other way. He's the one who invented the word "sodomites" without really ever explaining what he meant and why, and left us with this poorly defined word that seems to change meaning in different parts.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

It's not. It's all over the OT. But then again....there's nothing about "gays", either.

Jesus never mentioned them. Once.
Made LOTS of comments about rich folks, brash/arrogant folks, etc. Nothing about gays. Ever.

And the teachings of scripture are not limited just to what Jesus said either.

Jesus never encouraged men to only have one wife. That was Paul. It is acceptable under Christianity to have more then one wife if the law allows it but it is inadvisable and a man with more then one wife can not serve in any official capacity in the church.

 

[hawkedoff]

If one understands the greek words in the bible it is condemned, even in the NT. The thing is that the word covers a wide range of sexual sins and essentially means any sort of sexual interaction that is not between a heterosexual married couple.

Translations are imperfect.

So what did it say in Aramaic? And what was the context of usage relevant to the time?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

So what did it say in Aramaic? And what was the context of usage relevant to the time?

It was greek because it was from the NT. The greek word is porneia. (πορνεία)

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g4202

And if you don't like that Paul pretty much spells it out in 1 Cor 6:9

 

[strummingram]

And the teachings of scripture are not limited just to what Jesus said either.

Jesus never encouraged men to only have one wife. That was Paul. It is acceptable under Christianity to have more then one wife if the law allows it but it is inadvisable and a man with more then one wife can not serve in any official capacity in the church.

Does it make sense that it wasn't intended to be taken literally?

Your own writing makes no sense in literal terms because you lack the ability to use the word Than.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Does it make sense that it wasn't intended to be taken literally?

Your own writing makes no sense in literal terms because you lack the ability to use the word Than.

My apologizes, I've been trying to do better in that regard but I neglected it here.

And no it doesn't make sense to not take it literally. The only way it makes sense to not take it literally is if you simply don't like the teaching. But at that point you may as well invent your own God who believes in all of the same stuff you do.

Now you can choose to believe it or not but I don't generally care about homosexuals engaging in sex as long as they are not committed to another person in a monogamous relationship. Since they can't produce any children to murder in the womb (I would find abortion wrong regardless of my faith) it is of no consequence to me personally. However what is morally right and wrong is not up to me. I don't believe in a God that agrees with me on everything because that makes no sense.

 

[strummingram]

The only way it makes sense to not take it literally is if you simply don't like the teaching. But at that point you may as well invent your own God who believes in all of the same stuff you do.

That is EXACTLY what organized religion HAS been doing for thousands of years.

 

[cfbfan23]

And the one apostle who did, Paul, was an anti-Christian zealot who once executed Christians, then was a fanatic convert who was as much of an extremist the other way. He's the one who invented the word "sodomites" without really ever explaining what he meant and why, and left us with this poorly defined word that seems to change meaning in different parts.

And rumor has it, he was a huge fan of anal.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

That is EXACTLY what organized religion HAS been doing for thousands of years.

Some have tried. But scripture was taken down ages ago. You can not change it.

The early church which was the least likely to be influenced by the passions of the day and also a church that lived in some cultures where homosexual acts where considered normal always taught against homosexual acts.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

And the one apostle who did, Paul, was an anti-Christian zealot who once executed Christians, then was a fanatic convert who was as much of an extremist the other way. He's the one who invented the word "sodomites" without really ever explaining what he meant and why, and left us with this poorly defined word that seems to change meaning in different parts.

??? Scripture reference

Because last I knew "Sodomite" was created outside of scripture based on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah which where two towns in the OT noted for their sexual immorality.

It's not a term I use for multiple reasons. It has judgemental overtones and I don't believe the story is extremely clear as to what sort of sexual immorality was going on. My guess is likely all kinds of sexual immorality. So anyone who has engaged in pre-marital heterosexual sex should be just as liable to be called that as someone who has engaged in homosexual acts.

And as I've noted before it not only makes no sense but it is entirely unfair to save your most heated and mean-spirited condemnations for a specific brand of sexual sinners and exempting other sexual sinners from the same condemnations.

 

[strummingram]

Some have tried. But scripture was taken down ages ago. You can not change it.

If you are serious about believing that, there's no need to continue to debate.

It HAS BEEN CHANGED... and frequently. Interpretations and translations have guaranteed it. It's completely natural and an absolute certainty that people create a God that agrees with them.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Until about a week ago, I was convinced Pence was actually an animatronic figure. Turns out he's really just a cardboard cutout who's weirdly obsessed with gay sex.

FIFY

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

If you are serious about believing that, there's no need to continue to debate.

It HAS BEEN CHANGED... and frequently. Interpretations and translations have guaranteed it. It's completely natural and an absolute certainty that people create a God that agrees with them.

Some interpretations have been changed and translations been updated to better suit the times. But the oldest English Translations Wycliffe's and KJV are pretty much the same message as the more modern translations.

 

[thewop]

I find it odd people are scared of gay people.

The more gays actually improved my odds with the ladies.

Not only that, but gay dudes often have excellent relationships with the kind of women you want to date, because those women will open up to them since relationships with gay men carry no risk of getting hurt. Your gay friends can introduce you to great women you want to date.

 

[Joes Place]

And the teachings of scripture are not limited just to what Jesus said either.

So?

IF something were THAT important, then the Son of God almost certainly would have had a parable about it.

 

[strummingram]

Some interpretations have been changed and translations been updated to better suit the times. But the oldest English Translations Wycliffe's and KJV are pretty much the same message as the more modern translations.

Sooo... it has or hasn't been changed???

Never mind... I already know the answer.

 

[naturalmwa]

Oh just like making gay group sex jokes on me?

You phoney poser

How long does it take a group of queers to pack for a trip?

No time at all, they pack their shit the night before.

 

[naturalmwa]

@naturalmwa

You rang?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

So?

IF something were THAT important, then the Son of God almost certainly would have had a parable about it.

Hardly. . . the Son of God came preaching forgiveness of sins. You have to look elsewhere to find out what sins need to be forgiven in the first place.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Sooo... it has or hasn't been changed???

Never mind... I already know the answer.

Why don't you show me where exactly you think the changes have been made and what evidence you have for changes.

 

[naturalmwa]

And the one apostle who did, Paul, was an anti-Christian zealot who once executed Christians, then was a fanatic convert who was as much of an extremist the other way. He's the one who invented the word "sodomites" without really ever explaining what he meant and why, and left us with this poorly defined word that seems to change meaning in different parts.

Paul was also gay.

 

[strummingram]

Hardly. . . the Son of God came preaching forgiveness of sins. You have to look elsewhere to find out what sins need to be forgiven in the first place.

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Don't let your church know that you are participating in religious threads. You're destroying future membership.

 

[strummingram]

Why don't you show me where exactly you think the changes have been made and what evidence you have for changes.

You've already conceded that there have been changes... after you insisted they hadn't been in the prior post. You're not worth the effort.