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Kathleen Parker: Carson and Trump's Clueless Demonization of Muslims

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In the spirit of charity prompted by Pope Francis’s visit to the United States, let’s not call them bigots.

Let’s just call them the clueless, the incurious, the moronic, the dull. In short, ignoramuses.


I refer to those Republican wits who unconscionably demonize a swath of Americans based on their religious views. Haven’t we gone through this sort of thing before? It was all rather bloody, as history recalls.

But each generation seems to need to create its own religious contretemps in order to resolve that which is already resolved, at least in this country. Our Constitution is clear — no religious test shall be required of anyone seeking public office.

And yet, we do test — again and again — in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

Ben Carson draws fire for comments on Muslims
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Republican presidential candidates are weighing in on controversial comments made about Muslims. (The Washington Post)
NBC’s Chuck Todd asked Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson on “Meet the Press” whether a president’s faith should matter. The simple answer, the correct one, would have been to cite the Constitution, punctuated with a dazzling, gotcha-back smile. But Carson’s instinct for honesty (and his political inexperience) tripped the “Oops” meter. He told the truth that he would not “advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation.”

Too little too late, he clarified that he could support a Muslim if he denounced sharia law, which is antithetical to a free, democratic society. This is certainly more to the point, but it misses the most important issue.

Faith — or no faith — should have no bearing on whether a person is qualified to be president. We may care individually because we tend to prefer people who share our fundamental values, but voters can draw those distinctions with their ballots.

Other politicians have made similar blunders even as they sought the high road. In 2008 when John McCain was confronted by a woman insisting that then-candidate Barack Obama was really an “Arab,” McCain stopped her, saying that Obama is a “decent family man, a citizen.” Yes, and according to Joe Biden, before he joined Obama’s presidential ticket, Obama was the “first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean, and a nice-looking guy.”

Whew. I’m sure neither politician meant anything negative by his remarks, but both statements were implicitly racist and underscore how prejudice hunkers down in the subconscious. Consciously, we profess to no prejudice, but our words often betray hidden biases that reflect at least a lack of understanding.

Biden’s remark was intended to compliment Obama, but it was hardly flattering to African Americans in the main. McCain’s remark was plainly well-intentioned (and widely lauded), but in saying that Obama is a decent family man, one may infer that Arabs, therefore, are not decent family men.

You have to wonder sometimes whether Republicans even know any Arabs or Muslims. Donald Trump claims he has many Muslim friends. But then, how do you explain his response when an audience member asked when we could get rid of all the Muslims?

Sounding loopy (or like an opposition plant?), the man said: “We have a problem in this country, it’s called Muslims.” (Gee, and I thought it was idiots.) “We know our current president is one. You know, he’s not even an American.”

The man insisted that the country is rife with Muslim training camps “growing where they want to kill us. That’s my question: When can we get rid of them?”

Such incoherence deserves only a mute button. But Trump, who has led the charge questioning Obama’s citizenship, lent credence to the query: “A lot of people are saying that,” he said. “We’re going to be looking at that and plenty of other things.”

Other things like what? Detention centers?

Usually undaunted by decorum, Trump trotted around the question and the obvious answer — your question is ridiculous — in an apparent attempt to avoid offending anyone. But whom? Which voter bloc hung in the balance? Don’t overthink this.

Trump and Carson both missed a chance to be awesome. Carson could have identified a foundational American tenet and at least a glancing familiarity with the Constitution. Trump could have redeemed himself after a hundred awful comments by saying something like:

“Sir, we are a pluralistic society of many races, ethnicities and creeds. This is both our strength as a nation and our pledge to the future. While I understand your concerns about the threat of radical Islam, I am equally concerned about the underlying bigotry of your question.”

Alas. Ignoramuses. When can we get rid of them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...dce8a2a2a679_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b
 
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The organized destruction of Donald Trump and Ben Carson has begun.
True. They peaked too soon. The media lays in wait and pounces on the contenders as they rise to the top. Happens every time.
 
Speaking of peaking too soon. Milbank has a serious point though. Only political junkies are paying attention to the races at this point, and it's a long time until the conventions:

Sorry, Carly. You’re peaking too early. Just ask President Herman Cain.

This week’s CNN poll shows Carly Fiorina, the former business executive, rocketing to the top tier of the Republican presidential race. She has 15 percent support, up from just 3 percent weeks earlier. Meantime, the previously unassailable front-runner, Donald Trump, is suddenly hemorrhaging support, falling to 24 percent from 32 percent, while Ben Carson has dropped to 14 percent from 19 percent.

Then there’s Scott Walker, who just two months ago was the commanding front-runner in Iowa, then saw his support evaporate entirely. On Monday, he dropped out of the race.

This dizzying reshuffle of the Republican deck, if confirmed in other polling, can mean only one thing: GOP primary voters have returned to their preferred method of candidate selection, the flavor-of-the-week technique. Using this method, they undergo a flirtation with every possible alternative before finally holding their collective noses and settling on the most obvious, if uninspiring, consensus choice.

In 2008 they sampled Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney before settling for John McCain. In 2012 there were no fewer than five front-runners — Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Cain, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum — before voters settled on Romney as their final answer. If past is prologue, the voters this time will have several more flings over the next few months before settling for somebody such as Jeb Bush who thrills nobody.


One explanation is that the Republican electorate is an awfully fickle bunch. A better explanation is that voters just aren’t paying that much attention to the race, and the constant rise and fall of front-runners is little more than a creation of the media.

A Pew Research Center poll this month found that 27 percent of the public is paying very close attention to the electionslightly more than usual, thanks to Trump and the horde of candidates, but not exactly evidence of an engaged electorate. In this low-information environment, public opinion is susceptible to huge shifts — and manipulation. Indeed, the Fiorina boomlet may be almost entirely a CNN creation.

First the network changed its own qualification rules to give Fiorina a place on the main debate stage. During the debate, moderator Jake Tapper of CNN teed up several confrontations between Fiorina and Trump that played to her advantage (inviting her to comment, for example, on Trump’s “persona” and his insult of her appearance). After the debate, CNN proclaimed Fiorina “the breakout star of the night, taking on Republican front-runner Donald Trump with finesse and capturing the crowd with polished, zinging answers.” Then came the CNN poll that showed, as CNN described it, that “Fiorina shot into second place in the Republican presidential field on the heels of another strong debate performance.”

CNN shoehorns her into debate; CNN puffs her up during debate; CNN praises her debate performance; CNN trumpets poll showing debate gained her support: In the corporate world Fiorina comes from, this is known as vertical integration.

The Fiorina rise is, most likely, a fresh-face phenomenon; she’s the flavor of the week. A month ago, 36 percent of registered Republicans hadn’t heard of her; that fell to 21 percent in the current poll, and those viewing her favorably jumped to 54 percent from 45 percent. As voters give her a serious look, her negative ratings, now just 17 percent, will inevitably rise — and the electorate will very likely move on to sample a new flavor.

Until that happens, Fiorina will look like a cure for all that ails Republicans. After last week’s debate, the New York Times published an article titled “Carly Fiorina Offers Republicans a Pathway to Reach Women” that suggested she could be “a credible antidote to the gender gap and the Democrats’ claims of a Republican ‘war on women.’ ” That may be the case eventually, but there’s certainly no evidence yet that Fiorina will bring women to the Republican Party — any more than Cain brought African Americans.

Speaking of Cain, Fiorina fans may wish to recall that it was almost exactly four years ago when the businessman took the lead in the Republican primary competition. In the October 2011 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, Cain soared to 27 percent support from just 5 percent in August. Perry, who had been the front-runner, fell 20 points during that same period.


After two strong performances at the GOP presidential debates, Carly Fiorina steps out of the shadows. Here’s a look at her most memorable quotes and attacks on her rivals.
But two months later, in December, Cain was out of the race. Republican voters were by then tasting a different flavor — Gingrich — and would sample him and Santorum for a few more weeks before settling for an old standby: the plain vanilla of Romney.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...a082c6-6156-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html
 
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Couple of things: If Donald, Ben, and Carly are peaking too early, what's that say for Bernie and Hillary?

And the Muslims have done enough damage themselves. No one has to pile on to show they are the most violent people on earth. Everywhere they go they create chaos.
 
Since the constitution is clear of this point what is the point of asking the question?
 
True. They peaked too soon. The media lays in wait and pounces on the contenders as they rise to the top. Happens every time.
Although you don't describe her as a left leaning media type I think it is worth noting that Parker does not take her marching orders from the DNC. Far from it. This, and other blow back this week is people in power in the Republican Party reaching out and asking for favors, and appealing to sensibility in calling out the bomb throwers currently on top of the Republican field.
 
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Couple of things: If Donald, Ben, and Carly are peaking too early, what's that say for Bernie and Hillary?

Donald, Ben, and Carly do not have ground organizations. Carly is trying. Sanders has certainly hit his ceiling. Hillary has a massive network of ground troops willing to go door to door for her. Don't get giddy and right her off just yet. She's been building this network since 2009.
 
This is 100% Correct. Sharia is against the US Constitution in so many ways. Why do the Libs stick up for this?


Anarchy and socialism. They think the government knows better then the individual. Free-thinking is not their strong suit. They claim it is but, like Muslims, they lie to get what they want.
 
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The whole issue with liberals and muslims is such a tough one for me.

On one hand I'd enjoy watching islam take over Europe and America and then laugh as the psychos threw gays off buildings and enslaved and murdered atheist leftists. To hear them cry 'it wasn't so bad when we lived in a Christian nation after all!!' or 'we should have just found another baker!' as they lived under true oppression.

On the other hand it means that America and Europe would be finished.

If only there was a way to have leftists experience how 'great' life would be in an islamic nation...without having to watch America and Europe burn.

Maybe Christian bakers should start throwing gays off buildings instead of refusing to bake gay wedding cakes? Maybe that would endure the left to Christians like it clearly has to islam? Or maybe Christians need to start bombing events like the Boston Marathon. Is it the lack of female genitalia mutilation that makes the Christian faith so abhorrent to feminists? Or maybe we don't slaughter enough non-believers for your leftist tastes?

Regardless...maybe this will help you see how truly retarded you are if you're a leftist who embraces / defends islam. We can only hope.
 
The Muslims tell you that you either join, pay the tax, or die. They also are allowed to lie to get what they want or where they want to be. Much different than the Christians.
"The Muslims?" Which Muslims? I can find a great many Christians that will offer the same requirements. Your ancient mythologies are getting in the way of knowing, and respecting, your fellow man, and understanding God.
 
Although you don't describe her as a left leaning media type I think it is worth noting that Parker does not take her marching orders from the DNC. Far from it. This, and other blow back this week is people in power in the Republican Party reaching out and asking for favors, and appealing to sensibility in calling out the bomb throwers currently on top of the Republican field.
You're correct, nor did I mean any of it as a shot to the DNC. I'm just saying it's predictable that whoever's on top this early is going to get the full media onslaught of criticism and nitpicking to pull them down. It's the kind of attack that none of us could withstand, and everything is in play (character, career, high school girlfriend, man you once had coffee with who later embezzled money and suddenly he's your "close confidant" in the media).

The media has even turned on Hillary somewhat, with CNN now reporting negatively on her, and I even saw a headline on MSNBC that didn't reflect kindly to her within the last week.
 
If they were viable candidates in the first place then the "media destruction" wouldn't be able to take place.
I disagree. With many months until either party decides, there's plenty of time for anyone to be taken down, particularly when there are so many left in contention. I give better reasoning elsewhere in this thread.
 
"The Muslims?" Which Muslims? I can find a great many Christians that will offer the same requirements. Your ancient mythologies are getting in the way of knowing, and respecting, your fellow man, and understanding God.


You have the floor, point these ppl out...


We are waiting.
 
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Couple of things: If Donald, Ben, and Carly are peaking too early, what's that say for Bernie and Hillary?

And the Muslims have done enough damage themselves. No one has to pile on to show they are the most violent people on earth. Everywhere they go they create chaos.
Less crowded field so the comparison isn't relevant.
 
The Muslims tell you that you either join, pay the tax, or die. They also are allowed to lie to get what they want or where they want to be. Much different than the Christians.

And once again you reveal your ignorance:

If you scroll across the Internet, or just stick “taqiyya” into a Twitter search, you will stumble across many videos and articles from groups hostile to Islam arguing that “taqiyya” is central to Islam and permits a Muslim to lie with impunity to nonbelievers. The argument largely stems from two parts of the Koran:

“Whoever expresses disbelief in God after having accepted belief [will suffer greatly] – except him who is forced while his heart is still at peace in belief” (16:106)

“Let not the believers take unbelievers for their allies in preference to believers. Whoever does this has no connection with God, unless you but guard yourselves against them as a precaution.” (3:28)

But experts in Islamic law say that these Internet scholars have completely corrupted the meaning of the words.

The word “taqiyya” derives from the Arabic words for “piety” and “fear of God” and indicates when a person is in a state of caution, said Khaled Abou El Fadl, a professor of law at the University of California at Los Angeles and a leading authority on Islam.

Essentially, the Koran suggests that a person who faces religious persecution can withhold the identity of their faith in order to avoid bodily harm or death. The concept was particularly embraced by Shiites, who took steps to hide their religious beliefs from the majority Sunnis. But some Sunnis also practiced taqiyya, particularly the Moriscos, Muslims who were forced to convert to Catholicism in Spain during the 1500s.

The concept is also not unknown to other religions. Jews in Spain during the Inquisition also pretended to convert to Catholicism.

“Yes, it is permissible to hide the fact you are Muslim” if a person is under threat, “as long as it does not involve hurting another person,” Abou El Fadl said. “But there is no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal. That is a complete invention. Any Muslim is raised on the idea that lying is a sin.”

“It is a dispensation within some aspects of Shia law, which was developed out of the experience of a persecuted religious minority,” said Omid Safi, director of the Duke University Islamic Studies Center. “In brief, it states to value human life over declaration of faith. It is the proverbial question: If a Shia is being persecuted, and someone holds a gun to your head asking ‘are you a Shia?’ you are allowed to say ‘no’ in order to save a human life.”

Another expert on Islamic law, Noah Feldman of Harvard Law School, agreed that Carson’s comment was “very much oversimplified to the point of misrepresentation.” As Feldman put it, “taqiyya is dissimulation when one is being oppressed or tortured or having one’s views banned, a bit like Jesuit dispensation to lie under oath when your life is in danger.”

Safi said “the Taqiyya conversation is today part and parcel of the Islamophobic attack against American Muslims,” in which no matter what a Muslim says, he or she can’t be trusted.

“If an American Muslim (or Muslim more generally) says that they want to kill Americans, we take them at face value,” said Safi as an example of the Catch-22. “If an American Muslim (or Muslims more generally) says that they are committed to American democratic principles and pluralism, we state that they are of course lying, and hoping to achieve nefarious goals.”

Hussein Ibish, senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute, said that the claim made little sense because Islam is a proselytizing religion, like Christianity. “You’re supposed to preach it from the rooftops and the minarets” in order to gain adherents, not keep the religion a secret, he said. Advocates of the alternative version of taqiyya have “dragged a rather obscure and marginal concept out of the corner” to make broad-brush accusations against Muslims, he said.

http://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threa...n’s-claim-about-a-section-of-the-koran.39614/
 
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It blows my mind how easily people are able to just make blanket statements about Muslims as an entire group.
Well when they all believe the same thing, which is different than 80% of the world's population, it's easy to say those beliefs may be counter those beliefs of the other 80%.

Since when did voting for someone NOT mean you are voting against the other guy's beliefs?
 
Well when they all believe the same thing, which is different than 80% of the world's population, it's easy to say those beliefs may be counter those beliefs of the other 80%.

Since when did voting for someone NOT mean you are voting against the other guy's beliefs?

Where are you getting this idea that all Muslims believe the same things? Do all Christians?
 
It blows my mind how easily people are able to just make blanket statements about Muslims as an entire group.
Well when they all believe the same thing, which is different than 80% of the world's population, it's easy to say those beliefs may be counter those beliefs of the other 80%.

Since when did voting for someone NOT mean you are voting against the other guy's beliefs? Whatever those beliefs might be
Where are you getting this idea that all Muslims believe the same things? Do all Christians?
All Muslims believe Mohammad was given the Koran via Gabriel, establishing Islam. All Christians believe Christ died and rose (if they don't, they're not). No way does that mean all muslims think the same way, or Christians
 
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