It's one of the outlets that determines consensus first-team All-American. What a joke
Keegan NOT named NABC 1st Team All American
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They get locked into positions sometimes. 2 guards, 2 forwards and a center. Idk who that first guy is, tho I’d have Keegan narrowly over Ivey. But I’m biased.
I can only assume that this slight will encourage Keegan to return for another year to set the record straight.
I hope Keegan gets a chance to go against Agbaji.
There is no doubt who would get the better of that matchup.
There is no doubt who would get the better of that matchup.
I think that awards should be given after tournament play, it's a joke they do this after a regular season. If the conference and national tournaments are what matters, don't you want to see how these guys perform on the stage? KM was by far the best player in the tournament, which Iowa won, and did nothing but help his team win. Ivey and Davis both not only didn't play well enough to win, I think they hurt their team so much they lost because of them. Davis took 19 shots and only hit 3 of them, and if you watched the game, you would see that he didn't have to take those shots. It's not like he was the only player Wisconsin had and he had to take the game over, he didn't at all. He just had to play within the system, ensure his team was going to get good looks. That is what KM does, he may have 10 shots one game and 25 the next. He isn't shoe horsing anything. And Ivey for some reason tried to take a game over a few times that he had no business taking over, and really if you think about it all he did was take the game from Edey/Williams as they were really dominant.
These guys don't watch games, that is obvious.
These guys don't watch games, that is obvious.
Agbaji feels like a scenario where they felt a Big 12 guy needed to be included. Four Big Ten guys may have seemed too much.
Davis over Keegan a bigger joke.
No way you can put Ivey or Davis ahead of Keegan. He beats them on every metric and we won the BTT. Joke.
I guess Keegan is just going to have to lead Iowa to the NCAA 'Ship to show those coaches who the real MVP is. They obviously haven't been slapped around enough by him.
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Well he better come back
Ivey is nowhere close to Keegan as a basketball player.
Ivey may be the best athlete but Keegan isn't exactly me, or any of the other 5 stars on here.
Unreal.
Ivey may be the best athlete but Keegan isn't exactly me, or any of the other 5 stars on here.
Unreal.
Ivey would be better fit on the first team in skating.
Actually, there are 3 guards, 1 forward and 1 center on the 1st Team.
There is no question that Ivey should be taken off and Keegan should be 1st Team.
But this was the NABC's 1st Team for some reason:
G, 6'5", Ochai Agbaji, 19.7ppg, 5.1 reb, 1.6 assists, 47.7% FG
G, 6'5", Johnny Davis, 19.7 ppg, 8.2 reb, 2.2 assists, 43.4% FG
G, 6'4", Jaden Ivey, 17.4 ppg, 4.9 reb, 3.2 assists, 46.2% FG
F, 6'9", Oscar Tshiebwe, 17 ppg, 15.1 reb, 1 assists, 60.2%
C, 7'0", Kofi Cockburn, 21.1 ppg, 10.6 reb. .8 assists, 59.8% FG
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How do you leave this forward off the 1st team?
F, 6'8", Keegan Murray, 23.6 ppg, 8.6 reb, 1.5 assists, 55.5% FG
I am very surprised that Purdue doesn’t ask Ivey to be more selfish. I haven’t seen anyone yet that can go one on one and slow him down. When he gets into the lane against us it was either a layup or a dish off for someone else to make a 2 footer.
Nobody mentioned the most egregious, ludicrous, inscrutable error here which, of course, is the inclusion of Kofi. Keegan is better than at least THREE of the players on the first team. Including the human sledgehammer, the one-trick pony whose only basketball "skill" is being big as a house. Leaving the best athlete in NCAA basketball off the first team is akin to naming Todd Lickliter national coach of the year, which is exactly what the brilliant minds of the NABC did in 2007. So take it for what is . . . more bullshit than a livestock yard.
This is so bogus it would blow my mind were it not for the fact that, as CMac reminded everyone recently, "People are stupid."
This is so bogus it would blow my mind were it not for the fact that, as CMac reminded everyone recently, "People are stupid."
Without question even with all the hype Ivey gets, his numbers pale in comparison to KM and its not close.
What a crock of shit
this is correct when you look at the entire season.
The Kentuckky depth chart I saw listed Oscar Tshiebwe as center. Call him a center or PF, I assume he's is really a center because he is playing the same role as Cockburn and spending most of the time in the paint.
Keegan is exaclty what you want in a PF in the modern college game....able to switch/help on both post defense and perimeter defense. Cockburn is probably the least skilled guy, most 1-dimensional guy on the list.
I'm sure the team being B1G heavy and team ranking came into play....Iowa was meh up until the last half of B1G.
Ivey is on list because of hype/upside for draft. His numbers aren't up there with Keegan or Davis.
Interesting discussion but all that matters is which of the stars carries their team highest in NCAA tourney.
8/10 shooting 3's versus IU and putting TJD on skates then busting one on him was stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Beware of Silent Assassins who are smiling.
I'm guessing this was done before conference tournament play.......about the only explanation I can come up with.
Was it the Heisman a few years back that stopped issuing ballots before the championship games?
they are trying to add bags of chips to Iowa's shoulders so that they can win a National Championship!
So...Ivy and Davis are as good of scorers, rebounders, shot blockers, and defenders. They are better at hype.
Good. That means he’s coming back next year for sure so he can win this award. And I have a friend whose girlfriend’s manicurist says that Keegan wants to be on the front of the Wheaties box wearing a Hawkeye jersey, so that tells us everything we need to know. Book it.
Kofi is a great college basketball player. I get his inclusion over Ivey or Davis. He’s a classic Big. That may not translate to the pros, but I understand picking him for the all American team.
That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. It makes as much sense as saying FOX "News" should win a Pulitzer Prize for objective reporting. LOL
The human sledgehammer has NO basketball skills . . . unless you count growing to be the size of a barn a basketball skill. Compare Kofi to Luka. Nice try. There IS no comparison. But compare Kofi to every other basketball player in the country and you find him woefully inadequate in all but three categories: he can block shots, rebound, and score from anywhere within three feet of the basket . . . but usually only after traveling a couple times and then bowling over defenders like a 1950s fullback. Of course, rugby on the basketball court is contrary to the rules of the game Mr. Naismith created. And if those rules were enforced against Kofi the way they are against, oh, say, Kris and Keegan Murray, the young man wouldn't be on the court long enough for fans to eat a soft serve.
Kofi is . . . a huge human. That's it. End of story. If you're choosing an All-American team based on size, then yes, Kofi's your guy. But if you're going on talent, forget about the guy who can't shoot, can't dribble, can't pass, can't play perimeter defense, and can only do what he does because the rules of the game don't apply to him. All-American? LOL LOL LOL
BTW: Keegan is a consensus All-American now, despite the ignorant snub by the coaches, the same group that, as I've noted before, had the evaluation skills to name Todd Lickliter national coach of the year in 2007. WOW.
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30 years ago I’d agree that Kofi was a great basketball player…he’s an old-school big. But he’s never developed any sort of mid range or outside to complement his post play, defensively, he’s a liability if you can pull him away from the paint.
30 years ago I’d agree that Kofi was a great basketball player…he’s an old-school big. But he’s never developed any sort of mid range or outside to complement his post play, defensively, he’s a liability if you can pull him away from the paint.
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