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Kelly and Moore Wildcard Chances

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After all of the qualifying events have concluded, the NCAA Division I Wrestling Committee will meet in-person to select the remaining 70 at-large qualifiers, which will be announced on March 11. All weight classes will consist of 33 wrestlers. The at-large selections will be made based on the following criteria: head-to-head competition, qualifying event placement, quality wins, results against common opponents, winning percentage, RPI, coaches ranking and the number of matches contested at that weight class.

Both 157 and 165 automatically qualify the top 8 placewinners.

I've also included the Top 10 RPI Rankings (which are in the criteria) for each weight.

RPI Rankings (from NCAA Website)

157 1 Brian Realbuto, Cornell
157 2 Dylan Ness, Minnesota
157 3 Isaiah Martinez, Illinois
157 4 Josh Demas, Ohio State
157 5 Mike Kelly, Iowa
157 6 James Green, Nebraska
157 7 Brian Murphy, Michigan
157 8 Joseph LaVallee, Missouri
157 9 Justin DeAngelis, Oklahoma
157 10 Cody Pack, South Dakota State

165 1 Alex Dieringer, Oklahoma State
165 2 Michael Moreno, Iowa State
165 3 Taylor Walsh, Indiana
165 4 Pierce Harger, Northwestern
165 5 Nicholas Sulzer, Virginia
165 6 Isaac Jordan, Wisconsin
165 7 Dylan Palacio, Cornell
165 8 Tristan Warner, Old Dominion
165 9 Cooper Moore, Northern Iowa
165 10 Nick Moore, Iowa
How do we stack up using some of the criteria?

This post was edited on 3/7 10:43 PM by therasslinfan

NCAA Qualifier Allocations and Information
 
Awesome if they make it, but will they even score any points? I hope Kelly make sit for sure. He deserves it. GIve him a shot.

Moore...eh.
 
Someone had posted on another thread that Kelly and Moore can't score any more points based on where they are at in the tourney now. Hopefully both can pull out victories and get a WC.
 
Their chances are going to hinge on other qualifying tournaments. If other auto qualifiers performed poorly at their tournament, their chances diminish. We need to be rooting for no surprises at 157/165 around the nation
 
This was Ironside's point on the radio. He also mentioned improving seeds (Jeva, Burak, Clark) for Nationals might be more significant than qualifying all ten.

Of course, I'd like to have both.

IA_Hawk81 posted on 3/8/2015...
Awesome if they make it, but will they even score any points?
 
Both wrestled last night after the Semifinals in non team scoring matches to figure out the 9th place guys for wildcards. Kelly majored his guy and Moore pinned his.

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Really hurts to have a guy we expected to be top 3 potentially not qualify and another capable of winning a match or two at nationals potentially not make it as well. As close as the team race will likely be this is significant. We better hope they get in and figure out a way to win a few.
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I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
 
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:

I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
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I guess it is what it is at this point. Kelly doesn't have the "goods" to be anything more than he is, but he fights hard every time he hits the mat, so a lot to be said for that. IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity, coupled with more ability, we'd have one hell of a team on our hands.

I hope both qualify, and I hope both score some points at nationals. I don't expect much, but anything at all would help at this point. I have far more faith in Kelly pulling something out of his hind end for a couple of points than I do Nick at this point.
 
I started thinking Kelly reminded me of Rudy yesterday. I wish everyone wrestled as hard as him.
 
The only thing that sucks about the position that Kelly and Moore are in is that Moore will probably get Alex Dieringer and Kelly will probably get Isaiah Martinez right out of the gate at NCAAs.....
 
Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And not qualified at all? That doesn't make any sense.
 
Originally posted by sloehawk:
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:

I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
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I guess it is what it is at this point. Kelly doesn't have the "goods" to be anything more than he is, but he fights hard every time he hits the mat, so a lot to be said for that. IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity, coupled with more ability, we'd have one hell of a team on our hands.

I hope both qualify, and I hope both score some points at nationals. I don't expect much, but anything at all would help at this point. I have far more faith in Kelly pulling something out of his hind end for a couple of points than I do Nick at this point.
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I have to laugh at this line of thinking when you say "IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity... we'd have one hell of a team on our hands." Do you REALLY believe that everyone on our team (and any other team for that matter) isn't giving it their all out there?

Many of you on this board seem to think Kelly tries out there and is therefore commendable but Moore doesn't and therefore isn't commendable. This is absurd. They both give it 100%. If you don't believe that, you don't know them. Moore cares, even if he doesn't show it on his face (it's called poker facing it). And to say Kelly just doesn't have the tools, but at least he tries hard or shows emotion is also silly. IF he doesn't have the tools, whose fault is that? It's his own. He has nobody to else to blame. Same with Moore and they both know that. Now, Moore is injured, but he isn't making that an excuse. I think it's important fans realize this though before they jump to criticize the guy. Don't sit there and commend one guy for being a goer who loses because he "doesn't have the talent" and slam another guy in the same boat because "he just doesn't care."
 
Originally posted by McCulloughd:

Originally posted by SPOONER:

Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And not qualified at all? That doesn't make any sense.
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Qualifying and not scoring points makes sense?
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Would you rather have an entry at these weights or no one? It is a no brainier. Either of these guys have the ability and potential to notch a few points which is likely to be huge this year.
 
Originally posted by SPOONER:

Originally posted by McCulloughd:

Originally posted by SPOONER:

Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And not qualified at all? That doesn't make any sense.
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Qualifying and not scoring points makes sense?
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Would you rather have an entry at these weights or no one? It is a no brainier. Either of these guys have the ability and potential to notch a few points which is likely to be huge this year.
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That's your opinion.
 
Originally posted by wahlberg:

Originally posted by sloehawk:
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:

I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
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I guess it is what it is at this point. Kelly doesn't have the "goods" to be anything more than he is, but he fights hard every time he hits the mat, so a lot to be said for that. IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity, coupled with more ability, we'd have one hell of a team on our hands.

I hope both qualify, and I hope both score some points at nationals. I don't expect much, but anything at all would help at this point. I have far more faith in Kelly pulling something out of his hind end for a couple of points than I do Nick at this point.
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I have to laugh at this line of thinking when you say "IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity... we'd have one hell of a team on our hands." Do you REALLY believe that everyone on our team (and any other team for that matter) isn't giving it their all out there?

Many of you on this board seem to think Kelly tries out there and is therefore commendable but Moore doesn't and therefore isn't commendable. This is absurd. They both give it 100%. If you don't believe that, you don't know them. Moore cares, even if he doesn't show it on his face (it's called poker facing it). And to say Kelly just doesn't have the tools, but at least he tries hard or shows emotion is also silly. IF he doesn't have the tools, whose fault is that? It's his own. He has nobody to else to blame. Same with Moore and they both know that. Now, Moore is injured, but he isn't making that an excuse. I think it's important fans realize this though before they jump to criticize the guy. Don't sit there and commend one guy for being a goer who loses because he "doesn't have the talent" and slam another guy in the same boat because "he just doesn't care."
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I'm a huge Nick Moore fan. That said, I don't think you can say with a straight face that he gave 100% effort in his first two matches yesterday. His opponents were sub-.500 guys -- the kind of guy Nick would normally dominate, injury or not. You know, like he dominated his third opponent last night. . . with the injury. . . .

I'm going to guess his injury didn't resolve before his third match.
 
Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And who does Brands put in there?

And please don't say Alex Meyer, unless you want Meyer to cut a limb off to make the weight class.

The thing is with Moore, nobody except the people behind the scenes know what is going on with him or what happened. Injury, confidence, burnout, or maybe he just started regressing. It happens. You don't have to look any further than a couple of years ago with Gambrall. He was 3rd in the country as a sophomore and a huge amount of frustration for the coaches and fans for the next two seasons. Obviously the answer with McDonough came out after the fact and the speculation of him being injured proved true.

If Brands had an answer or a better option at 165, I'm sure we would have seen it.
 
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:

I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
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Iowa should bring in a hypnotist to convince Moore he is not really wrestling for team points at Nationals.
 
Originally posted by RockRam:
Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And who does Brands put in there?

And please don't say Alex Meyer, unless you want Meyer to cut a limb off to make the weight class.

The thing is with Moore, nobody except the people behind the scenes know what is going on with him or what happened. Injury, confidence, burnout, or maybe he just started regressing. It happens. You don't have to look any further than a couple of years ago with Gambrall. He was 3rd in the country as a sophomore and a huge amount of frustration for the coaches and fans for the next two seasons. Obviously the answer with McDonough came out after the fact and the speculation of him being injured proved true.

If Brands had an answer or a better option at 165, I'm sure we would have seen it.
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Agreed. Who would he put in instead? If someone proved better than Moore for this tournament, that person would be in. And also with the second point, so many are so quick to jump to conclusions and really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Of course our coaches aren't going to come out and just say exact what's going on if it's an injury. That's just going to put a huge target on our guy and make it even tougher for him. But, such is the nature of message boards. You get these know-it-alls that want to tear a guy down as soon as he faulters. Easy to do sitting behind a keyboard. Most of them have probably never wrestled beyond MAYBE high school
 
Originally posted by SPOONER:

Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And not qualified at all? That doesn't make any sense.
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Senior leadership needs to set the tone for the team. When Moore was constantly searching for the time clock in nearly every match 2 YEARS AGO the writing was on the wall. It would have made sense to gut him at that time and cut your losses.
 
Originally posted by wahlberg:

Originally posted by RockRam:
Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And who does Brands put in there?

And please don't say Alex Meyer, unless you want Meyer to cut a limb off to make the weight class.

The thing is with Moore, nobody except the people behind the scenes know what is going on with him or what happened. Injury, confidence, burnout, or maybe he just started regressing. It happens. You don't have to look any further than a couple of years ago with Gambrall. He was 3rd in the country as a sophomore and a huge amount of frustration for the coaches and fans for the next two seasons. Obviously the answer with McDonough came out after the fact and the speculation of him being injured proved true.

If Brands had an answer or a better option at 165, I'm sure we would have seen it.
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Agreed. Who would he put in instead? If someone proved better than Moore for this tournament, that person would be in. And also with the second point, so many are so quick to jump to conclusions and really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Of course our coaches aren't going to come out and just say exact what's going on if it's an injury. That's just going to put a huge target on our guy and make it even tougher for him. But, such is the nature of message boards. You get these know-it-alls that want to tear a guy down as soon as he faulters. Easy to do sitting behind a keyboard. Most of them have probably never wrestled beyond MAYBE high school
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Understood. However, he lost to two lesser wrestlers yesterday than he beat today. Injury doesn't really explain that for me.

Once he wasn't scoring potential team points, he looked better against better wrestlers. Mindboggling.
 
Originally posted by Shafthawk: Iowa should bring in a hypnotist to convince Moore he is not really wrestling for team points at Nationals.
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Good point, I brought this up in another thread. How do you completely change your style of wrestling when you are no longer wrestling for the team. An injury does not explain this, but mind voodoo just might solve the problem
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Shafthawk - believe what you want about an injury but my main point is to all those who jump on Moore or anyone else about effort level or commitment or what have you without any real knowledge. Lots of posters seemed inclined to believe that Nick Moore doesn't put the same effort forth as a guy like Kelly. They wound up in the same boat and people want to excuse Mike Kelly on account of effort and rag on Nick Moore for lack of it. I just think that's a bunch of crap as I know everyone out there is giving it there all to win the best way they know how. Nobody is putting forth anything less than full effort at this level.
 
Hire a 157 and 165 coach for TDs M* is not working. Who is IMartinez (Illinois) coach?
 
Originally posted by wahlberg:

Originally posted by sloehawk:
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:

I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
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I guess it is what it is at this point. Kelly doesn't have the "goods" to be anything more than he is, but he fights hard every time he hits the mat, so a lot to be said for that. IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity, coupled with more ability, we'd have one hell of a team on our hands.

I hope both qualify, and I hope both score some points at nationals. I don't expect much, but anything at all would help at this point. I have far more faith in Kelly pulling something out of his hind end for a couple of points than I do Nick at this point.
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I have to laugh at this line of thinking when you say "IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity... we'd have one hell of a team on our hands." Do you REALLY believe that everyone on our team (and any other team for that matter) isn't giving it their all out there?

Many of you on this board seem to think Kelly tries out there and is therefore commendable but Moore doesn't and therefore isn't commendable. This is absurd. They both give it 100%. If you don't believe that, you don't know them. Moore cares, even if he doesn't show it on his face (it's called poker facing it). And to say Kelly just doesn't have the tools, but at least he tries hard or shows emotion is also silly. IF he doesn't have the tools, whose fault is that? It's his own. He has nobody to else to blame. Same with Moore and they both know that. Now, Moore is injured, but he isn't making that an excuse. I think it's important fans realize this though before they jump to criticize the guy. Don't sit there and commend one guy for being a goer who loses because he "doesn't have the talent" and slam another guy in the same boat because "he just doesn't care."
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have
ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you
even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award
you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by wahlberg:


Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by Jackhawk87:

I haven't given up on either of these guys yet. I think they both get WCs and contribute a little at Nationals.

Kelly just needs to wrestle smart and stay off his back.

Moore is an inigma. Not sure how much he is injured, but his psyche is just off. Hoping he pulls it together mentally. If he does (and I think he still can) and is OK health wise, I think he could AA. Ethan Lofthouse did it. So can Nick. Come on, man!! Git er done.
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I guess it is what it is at this point. Kelly doesn't have the "goods" to be anything more than he is, but he fights hard every time he hits the mat, so a lot to be said for that. IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity, coupled with more ability, we'd have one hell of a team on our hands.

I hope both qualify, and I hope both score some points at nationals. I don't expect much, but anything at all would help at this point. I have far more faith in Kelly pulling something out of his hind end for a couple of points than I do Nick at this point.
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I have to laugh at this line of thinking when you say "IF everyone we had wrestled with the same intensity... we'd have one hell of a team on our hands." Do you REALLY believe that everyone on our team (and any other team for that matter) isn't giving it their all out there?

Many of you on this board seem to think Kelly tries out there and is therefore commendable but Moore doesn't and therefore isn't commendable. This is absurd. They both give it 100%. If you don't believe that, you don't know them. Moore cares, even if he doesn't show it on his face (it's called poker facing it). And to say Kelly just doesn't have the tools, but at least he tries hard or shows emotion is also silly. IF he doesn't have the tools, whose fault is that? It's his own. He has nobody to else to blame. Same with Moore and they both know that. Now, Moore is injured, but he isn't making that an excuse. I think it's important fans realize this though before they jump to criticize the guy. Don't sit there and commend one guy for being a goer who loses because he "doesn't have the talent" and slam another guy in the same boat because "he just doesn't care."
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have
ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you
even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award
you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Look guy, I love me some Billy Madison and all, but if you can't follow the message that singling guys out with the accusation that they don't care is downright idiotic at this when referring to a D1 wrestler, then you are either hitting the bottle too hard or are severely lacking in the IQ department.
 
Originally posted by RockRam:
Originally posted by madmustang4:
165 is a big fail by Brands. should have sat down Moore a long time ago.
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And who does Brands put in there?

And please don't say Alex Meyer, unless you want Meyer to cut a limb off to make the weight class.

The thing is with Moore, nobody except the people behind the scenes know what is going on with him or what happened. Injury, confidence, burnout, or maybe he just started regressing. It happens. You don't have to look any further than a couple of years ago with Gambrall. He was 3rd in the country as a sophomore and a huge amount of frustration for the coaches and fans for the next two seasons. Obviously the answer with McDonough came out after the fact and the speculation of him being injured proved true.

If Brands had an answer or a better option at 165, I'm sure we would have seen it.
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There were many on this site that knew Matt McDonough was hurt from the get-go his Senior Year (me being one of them). It was obvious right away. His signature "strength" was gone, something that could only be attributed to injury. Not mental, not everyone else getting stronger, it was him.

By the time mid-season rolled around it was the worst kept "secret" in all of DI Wrestling.

It's much harder to determine if Nick Moore has an injury or not. Two completely different animals.
 
Originally posted by wahlberg:
Shafthawk - believe what you want about an injury but my main point is to all those who jump on Moore or anyone else about effort level or commitment or what have you without any real knowledge. Lots of posters seemed inclined to believe that Nick Moore doesn't put the same effort forth as a guy like Kelly. They wound up in the same boat and people want to excuse Mike Kelly on account of effort and rag on Nick Moore for lack of it. I just think that's a bunch of crap as I know everyone out there is giving it there all to win the best way they know how. Nobody is putting forth anything less than full effort at this level.
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Dude. I'm sorry, but you're full of shit up to your eyeballs.
 
Why wasn't Dwiaze put in with these other two guys? Oh, he wrestled over his seed so Brands new what he was doing keeping him at this weight:)
 
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