Kudos to the Democrats

[Nole Lou]

The one thing this truly shows is just how historically unpopular Hillary Clinton is. After essentially running for president for four years, Sanders is underperforming his support most places from 2016, when he was a barely known crackpot.

That's after Hillary lost the 2008 primaries to a barely-known one term senator with all of a decade in politics.

Hillary Clinton is the worst political force in my lifetime, and has set politics in this country back 50 years or more.

Obviously, it's not really on her...I'm no fan, but clearly there have been more scurrilous people in politics than her. The blame goes to the establishment that pegged her a presidential candidate while she was running as first lady, and enabled a political career which almost nobody was asking for from her. Clearing the field for her 2016 was an absolutely disastrous decision, directly giving us President Trump, Bernie-ism, the rise of the alt-right and revived socialism. It's really insane how much things would be different if she'd just gone away.

 

[Nole Lou]

Sanders has spent the majority of his elected days doing what he thinks is right. Trump governs like a dictator who pouts when things go south.

Bernie has radically differing views of the world, but he's a professional politician who ultimately knows that negotiation is the better path. I have no fear that Sanders would govern like Turd.

Bernie promised to legalize marijuana on day one, among many other promised orders. There is absolutely no evidence for your assertion of faith. Please list his great legislative (or otherwise) achievements through negotiation? He has made his entire career being exactly the opposite of what you describe...an inflexible zealot. You are reciting absolutely the opposite of reality.

If you want to play the "executive orders to end-around legislation are good when they're what I want" game then fine, but don't try to gaslight people.

 

[naturalmwa]

The one thing this truly shows is just how historically unpopular Hillary Clinton is. After essentially running for president for four years, Sanders is underperforming his support most places from 2016, when he was a barely known crackpot.

That's after Hillary lost the 2008 primaries to a barely-known one term senator with all of a decade in politics.

Hillary Clinton is the worst political force in my lifetime, and has set politics in this country back 50 years or more.

Obviously, it's not really on her...I'm no fan, but clearly there have been more scurrilous people in politics than her. The blame goes to the establishment that pegged her a presidential candidate while she was running as first lady, and enabled a political career which almost nobody was asking for from her. Clearing the field for her 2016 was an absolutely disastrous decision, directly giving us President Trump, Bernie-ism, the rise of the alt-right and revived socialism. It's really insane how much things would be different if she'd just gone away.

The real proof of that will come when voters like you vote for Biden over Trump. Will you do that?

 

[Nole Lou]

The real proof of that will come when voters like you vote for Biden over Trump. Will you do that?

I don't really see how that follows my comment, but of course not, I don't agree with him on the vast majority of things. Will be sitting this one out again.

I will say that a Bernie nomination would have me very seriously considering a vote for Trump, which is something I never could have imagined. So with Biden the Democrats start with a 0 from me, instead of a -1. So they've got that going for them.

 

[naturalmwa]

I don't really see how that follows my comment, but of course not, I don't agree with him on the vast majority of things. Will be sitting this one out again.

I will say that a Bernie nomination would have me very seriously considering a vote for Trump, which is something I never could have imagined. So with Biden the Democrats start with a 0 from me, instead of a -1. So they've got that going for them.

It follows because moderate republicans have been claiming that they were forced to vote for Trump because of Hillary. Now we will see if that was true.

 

[Run&Blade]

Weird how Americans don’t want their healthcare system, and Canada, the UK, all of Scandinavia, and basically most of the developed world would not trade theirs for ours. I’ll trust everyone else I have heard, including posters here who have lived or travelled extensively in Europe.

It’s not that simple.
The medical profession doesn’t earn as much in Europe as they do here. Mighty kind of you to agree to a large pay cut for all healthcare workers. Very progressive of you.

everybody says a conservative estimate is $3 trillion dollars a year.

when total payroll for this country is $6.435 trillion. That means everybody needs to pay a 23% income tax just for healthcare and all employers must also pay that 23% tax. That is with zero exceptions for any income level.

asking people to do that is mighty progressive of you also. My guess is companies faced with that reality would cut job like crazy. It’s pretty obvious why many workers also wouldn’t like that. I pay a few hundred a month for my coverage, my spouse pays zero. The Medicare for all has me paying 23% and now my wife paying 23%.

I don’t give a shit what percentages Bernie was selling. The math don’t add up.

some of you are like kids arguing to go eat at a fancy restaurant every day of the week. Yes everybody in the family might enjoy doing that but the adults in the house know they can’t afford it.

 

[srams21]

everybody says a conservative estimate is $3 trillion dollars a year.

when total payroll for this country is $6.435 trillion. That means everybody needs to pay a 23% income tax just for healthcare and all employers must also pay that 23% tax. That is with zero exceptions for any income level.

You are missing a really big variable in this half-ass equation you are trying to do.

 

[Run&Blade]

You are missing a really big variable in this half-ass equation you are trying to do.

Don’t be shy, share with us.

btw. Some employers don’t offer or pay anything. You are now going to saddle small business just starting out with a 23% tax for every employee.

most businesses also have many employees turn down coverage because they are covered by spouse. I don’t know of a single one that just gives them an extra $10,000 a year because they are saving that on premiums. Why is that? And why do some think they magically will?

 

[srams21]

Don’t be shy, share with us.

We already spend ~$3.5 Trillion on healthcare as is right now. For family coverage, the average policy totaled $19,616 a year with employers contributing, on average, 71 percent, or $13,927. Employees paid the remaining 29 percent or $5,689 a year.

So we just re-direct most of that money to the "universal" healthcare. I know there will have to be additional payroll taxes to support the remainder but it will not need to be 23% as you suggest.

 

[Jan Itor]

Are you going to vote for Biden?

I will be. Unless he chooses a Palin like VP.

 

[DFSNOLE]

It's not a conspiracy it's just true. Name another time in history where the winner of Iowa dropped out BEFORE Super Tuesday. You can't. It never happened before. There's no doubt they dropped out when they did to boost Biden. It was a smart play. And it worked exactly as they had hoped.

Maybe Buttigieg saw the writing on the wall after finishing a distant fourth in South Carolina. Maybe he made the decision on his own to consolidate the moderate vote behind the most electable candidate. Maybe there was no pressure from the DNC.

My points can be proven as easily as yours.

 

[Jan Itor]

Maybe Buttigieg saw the writing on the wall after finishing a distant fourth in South Carolina. Maybe he made the decision on his own to consolidate the moderate vote behind the most electable candidate. Maybe there was no pressure from the DNC.

My points can be proven as easily as yours.

Agreed. The DNC would never do such a thing.

 

[steelrain]

This is true. As one of those fortunate enough to have very good insurance, it’s pathetic that so many are so selfish and narrow-minded when it comes to the well-being of others. It’s really been the downfall of our country.

I would say this has more to do about insurance companies, politics, and politically driven media than voters.

 

[unIowa]

Unlike the Republicans of 2016 they got smart and are not nominating a clown. Biden is losing it but at least he won't tank the entire economy. Kudos to the Dem Candidates and establishment for realizing this before it was too late. You saved America from a major catastrophe. Hope Bernie drops out after Biden owns the night.

By not having a zillion people remain in the race they were effectively able to keep their party power structure in tact instead of diving full in to becoming the party of socialism. The 2016 republicans did not rally behind one candidate and thus the entire party was hijacked by a nationalist carnival barker and will be in shambles for at least 4 - 8 years after Trump leaves office. The democrats won't experience that same fate now as this is Bernie's last go, AOC will try in 4 years or so but she doesn't have the juice that Bernie does IMO.

 

[naturalmwa]

I will be. Unless he chooses a Palin like VP.

Palin was so entertaining. My biggest disappointment of the Trump administration was not putting her in front of the cameras more. There’s no reason she couldn’t be press secretary.

 

[srams21]

I will be. Unless he chooses a Palin like VP.

I think a Biden/Pete ticket or a Biden/Amy ticket makes so much sense.

You get a younger VP (especially with Pete) who is midwest based and more centric. The dems need to learn how to win elections in this modern era and it appears they are taking the steps needed to do that.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Agreed. The DNC would never do such a thing.

I'm not claiming that they did or didn't but to emphatically claim one or the other is not a position based on a provable premise.

 

[Jan Itor]

I'm not claiming that they did or didn't but to emphatically claim one or the other is not a position based on a provable premise.

I think based on past experience, we could make an educated guess

 

[Jan Itor]

I think a Biden/Pete ticket or a Biden/Amy ticket makes so much sense.

You get a younger VP (especially with Pete) who is midwest based and more centric. The dems need to learn how to win elections in this modern era and it appears they are taking the steps needed to do that.

I'd like to see that.