Leading Saudi journalist missing and feared dead.

[Nat Algren]

The Dodi Fayed-Jamal Khashoggi Connection









Saturday, October 13, 2018

Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed
File this under curious.


Dodi Fayed, the Saudi who was dating Princess Diana and died with her in 1997 in a fiery car crash in London and Jamal Khashoggi, who is believed to have recently been killed in the Saudi embassy in Istanbul by a 15-man hit team dispatched by Saudi Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman, are both grandchildren of Mohamed Khaled Khashoggi.

Also, Jamal's uncle was the notorious arms dealer, and later Vancouver stock promoter, Adnan Khashoggi.

When Adnan ran into financial problems he sold his yacht to the Sultan of Brunei, who in turn sold it for $29 million to Donald Trump, who sold it for $20 million to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal as part of a deal to keep his Taj Mahal casino out of bankruptcy.
-RW

 

[Legend12]

Do you understand that something can be "both" things?
And a single event can be related to "both" things?

Are you a special needs person?

 

[hawkssox1]

Do you understand that something can be "both" things?
And a single event can be related to "both" things?

'And the dish ran away with the spoon".

 

[Funky Bunch]

When Adnan ran into financial problems he sold his yacht to the Sultan of Brunei, who in turn sold it for $29 million to Donald Trump, who sold it for $20 million to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal as part of a deal to keep his Taj Mahal casino out of bankruptcy.
-RW

The best deals

 

[dgordo]

 

[lucas80]

He knowingly put himself in a horrible position...he knew his safety was compromised and still went into the embassy. A better comparison would be if I showed up at Cabrini-Green at 1 AM talking trash, knowing what I knew about that neighborhood.

As far as the citizen point.. he is not a citizen, so what jurisdiction does the US have as far as an investigation/punishment angle? What would the US reaction be if other countries tried to interject themselves into investigations that happened here?

1. Not a good comparison at all. Consulates are places of business, governed by laws. This consulate was in Turkey. Even if your belief is that laws don't apply to Saudi Arabia, this happened in Turkey, which does have laws.
2. You keep dodging and dancing. You like to answer questions with deflections. Where is your moral center? When is murder not allowable? Other countries interject themselves somewhat when their citizens are the victims of crime in the US. The difference is that our systems of law enforcement are excellent, and our nation doesn't sanction state sponsored murder of journalists. What is your position, and when is murder allowable?

 

[lucas80]

Are you a special needs person?

Why do you pull this arrow out of the quiver so often? You don't have to agree with Joe, but you can glean enough from his posting to recognize he has a high level of academic and professional achievement, and has a decent private life with meaningful relationships with other humans.

 

[Legend12]

Why do you pull this arrow out of the quiver so often? You don't have to agree with Joe, but you can glean enough from his posting to recognize he has a high level of academic and professional achievement, and has a decent private life with meaningful relationships with other humans.

Based on his inability to structure an argument or support his side of an issue without random links that may or may not be relevant I would wonder about both of the things you claimed.

Any why don't you think people of special needs can have a decent private life w/ meaningful relationships with other humans?

 

[Legend12]

1. Not a good comparison at all. Consulates are places of business, governed by laws. This consulate was in Turkey. Even if your belief is that laws don't apply to Saudi Arabia, this happened in Turkey, which does have laws.
2. You keep dodging and dancing. You like to answer questions with deflections. Where is your moral center? When is murder not allowable? Other countries interject themselves somewhat when their citizens are the victims of crime in the US. The difference is that our systems of law enforcement are excellent, and our nation doesn't sanction state sponsored murder of journalists. What is your position, and when is murder allowable?

There are a lot of times I think murder would be "allowable" by me. It would take hours to list all of those instances.

 

[Hawk8595]

I can see why liberals are upset. Below is the best way to handle when a journalist is killed

https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/07/politics/obama-golfing-optics/index.html

I agree with that.

However, we are in HROT. We don’t try to work through issues here. We troll each other

You should be trolling on subject whether HROT or not.

 

[Nat Algren]

Trump's Bizarre Thinking on Saudi Arabian "Punishment"


Jamal Khashoggi.
This is one for the books. During an interview with "60 Minutes" that was aired Sunday night, President Trump said Saudi Arabia would be severely punished if it was found that the Kingdom had murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
But here is the thing, as horrific as the murder is, it is the murder of one person. At the same time, the Kingdom is killing thousands in Yemen using U.S. provided military equipment.

But Trump told "60 Minutes" correspondent Leslie Stahl that sanctions against military equipment going to the Saudis was off the table as an option to "punish" Saudi Arabia if it was found that the government was behind the murder.

He justified refusing to put sanctions on military equipment on the table by stating it would hurt U.S. military equipment manufacturers such as Lockheed, Raytheon and Boeing.

At the same time, though, it must be noted, Trump has no problem launching a trade war that hurts farmers, builders etc.

In other words, Trump claims he will be outraged if it is proven that Khashoggi was murdered and will "punish" Saudi Arabia but not by the logical step of putting sanctions on military sales, which might actually limit more killing. Especially, if Trump muscles other countries to respect the sanctions, countries that might attempt to provide military equipment, just like the Empire does in other situations.

Of course, from a libertarian perspective, the U.S. shouldn't meddle in affairs taking place outside the United States but how Trump approaches the Khashoggi affair provides us with clear evidence that Trump has no intention of messing with the military-industrial-complex. And that should be of concern to all of us.

 

[Hawk8595]

You keep citing the Magnitsky Act when it is obvious you have no idea what it is.

Here is a brief synopsis: "In 2016, Congress enacted the Global Magnitsky Act which allows the US Government to sanction foreign government officials implicated in human rights abuses anywhere in the world."

It says nothing about giving them investigative rights or power.

I ran across this while reading a stock article.

Washington, too, the voices demanding answers from Riyadh about what happened to Khashoggi have grown to a crescendo. A bipartisan group of senior senators has called on the president to order an investigation, invoking the Magnitsky Act, which can be used to sanction human-rights violators. Senator Rand Paul has threatened a vote to suspend arms supplies to the kingdom. Trump’s own contention that U.S.-Saudi relations are “excellent” is looking more and more like the minority view. And his personal fondness for MBS seems badly misplaced.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-call-saudi-arabia-apos-145608366.html

 

[BioHawk]

He now says that it could have been "random killers". In the Saudi embassy. Yeah, right Don. You're going to have to do better than that. Or not, your base will bobble their heads right along with you.

 

[Legend12]

I ran across this while reading a stock article.

Washington, too, the voices demanding answers from Riyadh about what happened to Khashoggi have grown to a crescendo. A bipartisan group of senior senators has called on the president to order an investigation, invoking the Magnitsky Act, which can be used to sanction human-rights violators. Senator Rand Paul has threatened a vote to suspend arms supplies to the kingdom. Trump’s own contention that U.S.-Saudi relations are “excellent” is looking more and more like the minority view. And his personal fondness for MBS seems badly misplaced.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-call-saudi-arabia-apos-145608366.html

Correct....the US can sanction those involved. But it does not give them the right or power to investigate an act done to a non-US citizen on foreign soil.

 

[Joes Place]

There are a lot of times I think murder would be "allowable" by me. It would take hours to list all of those instances.

Yes....I'm sure it would take you "hours" to come up with more than five....

 

[Joes Place]

Correct....the US can sanction those involved. But it does not give them the right or power to investigate an act done to a non-US citizen on foreign soil.

Sure it does.
It's called "treaties", and we have those with many, many nations. Many with allies.

 

[Legend12]

Sure it does.
It's called "treaties", and we have those with many, many nations. Many with allies.

LOL

 

[Joes Place]

LOL

Protip: The FBI has field offices abroad, specifically for these purposes.

 

[Nat Algren]

Sure it does.
It's called "treaties", and we have those with many, many nations. Many with allies.

What does the treaty say re: Saudi Arabia and their link to the petrodollar since Nixon took us off the gold standard in '71? Or if the evil Sauds buy $450 BILLION in arms from Lockheed, Raytheon et al. ?

 

[joelbc1]

There are a lot of times I think murder would be "allowable" by me. It would take hours to list all of those instances.

and you would be in direct conflict with God and if a Christian, Jesus Christ and if a Jew, the 10 Commandments. There is NO excuse to murder, period. It may be "justified" but it is always in direct conflict with God as we know Him.