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Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page Testifies in ‘Stairway to Heaven’ Copyright Trial

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Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, testifying in a closely watched copyright trial on Wednesday, said that until recently he had never heard the song he has been accused of plagiarizing in the band’s 1971 hit “Stairway to Heaven.”

A couple of years ago, Mr. Page said, his son-in-law told him that people online were comparing “Stairway” to “Taurus,” a 1968 song by the lesser-known group Spirit. But when Mr. Page finally heard the other song, it sounded “totally alien” to him.

“I know that I had never heard it before,” he said.

Mr. Page, 72, and his bandmate Robert Plant, 67, are defending themselves in the music industry’s latest copyright trial, a year after Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams were ordered to pay $5.3 million to the family of Marvin Gaye over their song “Blurred Lines.”

The suit over “Stairway to Heaven” was filed by Michael Skidmore, a trustee for the songs of Randy Wolfe, a member of Spirit, who died in 1997. The suit says that Mr. Page and Mr. Plant copied “Taurus” for the distinctive acoustic guitar part that opens “Stairway,” and that the men had heard Spirit’s song when the two bands crossed paths on the road.

At the trial, which began Tuesday, lawyers for Led Zeppelin are expected to argue that any similarities between “Stairway to Heaven” and “Taurus” are because of generic musical patterns that cannot be copyrighted, like a descending chord progression that is common to both pieces.

Mr. Page, who appeared in a black three-piece suit with his long white hair tied back, was asked by Mr. Skidmore’s lawyer whether he remembered a concert in December 1968 when Led Zeppelin opened for Spirit.

“I didn’t hear Spirit at the Denver show,” Mr. Page said, adding that he believed the headliner was Vanilla Fudge.

Mr. Page admitted that he owned a copy of Spirit’s 1968 debut album, which contains the song “Taurus,” although he said he did not know how he got it. His record collection contains 4,329 vinyl albums and 5,882 CDs, he said.

Earlier in the day, Mark Andes, the bassist in Spirit, testified that “Taurus” had been a regular part of the band’s set in its early days. He said he remembered drinking beer and playing snooker with Mr. Plant after Spirit played a club in Birmingham, England, in 1970.

“We had a blast,” Mr. Andes said.

With its accusation of plagiarism in one of the most famous and lucrative songs in rock history — according to one estimate, the song has generated more than $562 million in royalties — the case has riveted the music industry, and the courtroom was packed with reporters and fans.

The day had moments of levity, as when Mr. Page told the plaintiff’s lawyer, Francis Malofiy, that he had begun playing guitar at age 12 and was in professional recording sessions by 17.

“You had a gift, you played the guitar,” Mr. Malofiy said.

“Well, yeah,” Mr. Page said, to laughter in the courtroom.

His testimony is expected to continue on Thursday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/b...t-trial.html&eventName=Watching-article-click
 
Led Zeppelin made some great music but it's obvious they stole a lot of their ideas, and this is one example. Write a check, Jimmy.
 
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That descending figure off a minor chord is found in a lot of songs such as "Summer Rain" by Johnny Rivers and I know many others. Actually Stairway to Heaven sounds very similar to a 1700s Turlough O'Carolan composition "Carolan's Dream"

 
Also a song stolen by Led Zep

Stolen? Or Led Zep's version of the song? I don't think they ever claimed that they came up with the song all on their own but rather it was their version of an old blues track.

You realize this happens all the time, different versions of a song get recorded.

I wish there was a band today that could rip off old musicians and come up with some good music like Led Zep did. Maybe we would have something decent to listen to.
 
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That's it. I'm turning some Zeppelin on in my office. Thank you for helping me brighten my Thursday afternoon up a bit.
 
Stolen? Or Led Zep's version of the song? I don't think they ever claimed that they came up with the song all on their own but rather it was their version of an old blues track.

You realize this happens all the time, different versions of a song get recorded.

I wish there was a band today that could rip off old musicians and come up with some good music like Led Zep did. Maybe we would have something decent to listen to.
Sure, bands remake old songs all the time. There's nothing wrong with that. But you're supposed to give writing credits and royalties to the original composer(s). Frequently Led Zeppelin didn't do that. That's when it becomes a problem.

The issue in this case isn't that Jimmy Page sampled Taurus on Stairway to Heaven. The issue is that he did so without giving Randy California any writing credit.
 
What Zeppelin often did was use pieces of songs, not entire songs. I have a bootleg of Misty Mountain Hop and Plant often talks in between the songs and he said the band turns to the blues as a source to beg, borrow and steal. Some of the old blues songs have unknown authorship really. Howlin Wolf, Robert Johnson and others did them, but they were not the original authors either.

The Taurus riff is similar, but the songs are very different. There is a guitar riff in 'The Wall' that is also similar.
 
In 1972, ARC music sued Led Zeppelin, claiming that they had plagiarized Howlin’ Wolf and a settlement was reached out of court. Chester Burnett (Howlin’ Wolf’s real name) is now given songwriting credit for “The Lemon Song
 
I wish there was a band today that could rip off old musicians and come up with some good music like Led Zep did. Maybe we would have something decent to listen to.
The Black Keys did for awhile. They were heavily influenced by blues artists like Junior Kimbrough for their first few years, but now Danger Mouse seems to have taken them in a different direction. "Chulahoma" consisted of six Junior Kimbrough covers and it's one of my favorite albums of the past 40 years.
 
I feel sure Page & Plant will walk away from this without paying a cent. I have no doubt that they ripped-off the progression. They ripped-off MANY other songs throughout their entire career. Their earlier blatant rip-offs of old blues lyrics is easy to spot. Willie Dixon was ripped-off by these guys big-time.

I love Led Zeppelin, but they were prone to ripping-off songs and lyrics (melodies) etc., and do it intentionally.
 
"Chulahoma" consisted of six Junior Kimbrough covers and it's one of my favorite albums of the past 40 years.

I love that album. You should check out Sunday Nights: The songs of Junior Kimbrough -another JK tribute album- if you havent already.
 
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I love that album. You should check out Sunday Nights: The songs of Junior Kimbrough -another JK tribute album- if you havent already.
Haven't heard that one but I will definitely check it out. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
Why in the world is this lawsuit happening NOW?

It's been forty years since Stairway to Heaven was released. This can't have just now been discovered by this Taurus person who no one has ever heard of.

Also, I listened to the clip that was allegedly ripped off. All I can say is, "huh?"

That sounds nothing like the same song.
 
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Why in the world is this lawsuit happening NOW?

It's been forty years since Stairway to Heaven was released. This can't have just now been discovered by this Taurus person who no one has ever heard of.

Also, I listened to the clip that was allegedly ripped off. All I can say is, "huh?"

That sounds nothing like the same song.
It was well over a decade or more before Jake Holmes was made aware of Led Zeppelin ripping off his song "I'm Confused" and calling it "Dazed and Confused." Page lifted that song while he was still in the Yardbirds.



 
That's interesting, but the plaintiff can't claim he never heard Stairway to Heaven until recently.
I dunno... the defendant is claiming he never heard Taurus. I don't buy that at all. I've read several biographies of Zeppelin and those guys were notoriously ripping-off music. Their manager, Peter Grant, was a conniving intimidator. In the 60s and 70s, I doubt the "intellectual copyright" statutes were as solid and defined as they are now. Although, there were attempts. George Harrison was taken to court over "My Sweet Lord" sounding too much like "He's So Fine" by the Chiffons. The similarities between those two are very clearly coincidental to me. And, the people Zeppelin were ripping-off probably didn't have the means to sue them, or didn't think they would even try. They made a killing of of Willie Dixon before they had to pay him and by that time, Zeppelin was long gone from Atlantic Records and never paid a penny.
 
I dunno... the defendant is claiming he never heard Taurus. I don't buy that at all. I've read several biographies of Zeppelin and those guys were notoriously ripping-off music. Their manager, Peter Grant, was a conniving intimidator. In the 60s and 70s, I doubt the "intellectual copyright" statutes were as solid and defined as they are now. Although, there were attempts. George Harrison was taken to court over "My Sweet Lord" sounding too much like "He's So Fine" by the Chiffons. The similarities between those two are very clearly coincidental to me. And, the people Zeppelin were ripping-off probably didn't have the means to sue them, or didn't think they would even try. They made a killing of of Willie Dixon before they had to pay him and by that time, Zeppelin was long gone from Atlantic Records and never paid a penny.

So what?

That has absolutely no bearing on the contemporary case we're discussing now.
 
I offered another audio clip. If you can't hear the blatant similarity, then get your ears checked.

My ears are fine. It does NOT sound anything alike.

Simple similarity in a chord progression with all sorts of different crap going on does not make a copyright violation.
 
My ears are fine. It does NOT sound anything alike.

Simple similarity in a chord progression with all sorts of different crap going on does not make a copyright violation.
Jimmy Page would love for you to have been on the jury then. I heard the Spirit album as a young teenage and spotted the similarity before I even KNEW about the Zeppelin lifting aspect. I didn't find out about that until I was in my early 20's. You must be tone deaf to not hear the similarity. Not to mention, we're not talking about a I-IV-V blues progression either. That is common and unavoidable in blues/rock songs. This riff is blatant and specific.

You can BET YOUR ASS that if the roles were reversed? Jimmy Page, Peter Grant and Atlantic Records would have taken Spirit for everything they had.
 
Jimmy Page would love for you to have been on the jury then. I heard the Spirit album as a young teenage and spotted the similarity before I even KNEW about the Zeppelin lifting aspect. I didn't find out about that until I was in my early 20's. You must be tone deaf to not hear the similarity. Not to mention, we're not talking about a I-IV-V blues progression either. That is common and unavoidable in blues/rock songs. This riff is blatant and specific.

You can BET YOUR ASS that if the roles were reversed? Jimmy Page, Peter Grant and Atlantic Records would have taken Spirit for everything they had.

BS. It's not anything alike. This is a money grab, not a real violation.
 
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