Lester or Kirk?
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Hard both.
Kirk's time management was particularly horrible, per usual.
Lester's game plan in the red zone was particularly horrible.
Kirk's time management was particularly horrible, per usual.
Lester's game plan in the red zone was particularly horrible.
Kirk's been here 25+ years.
We've been through how many OCs in that time?? And most leave much to the relief of the fanbase because the unit they ran underperformed mightily.
There's only 1 common denominator when the offense sucks year after year after year after year continuously.
It was all bad outside of the first quarter. I know KF can't game manage his way out of a wet paper bag, relying on defense. I don't know how much of this is Lester but right now, none of it appears promising. KF is ultimately responsible, as always, good and bad though.
They are who we thought they were comes to mind in a situation like this.
They are who we thought they were comes to mind in a situation like this.
Lester made the red zone calls. Just really bad calls. At least the 3rd time they ran the ball and scored.
Lane Kiffin could be OC with Mahomes at QB and Kirk wouldn’t let them do shit.
I like the looks the offense is giving, but I worry we lost the bully edge in the red zone that comes with it. Way too cute down there yesterday.
Why not put Sullivan in at 6’4 220 & do a sneak or two?
Why not put Sullivan in at 6’4 220 & do a sneak or two?
Other teams have situational packages, goal line packages, to get their backup QBs in the game all the time. Not Iowa. It's bizarre, it's like KF thinks QB1 will freak out and transfer mid-game if they put in someone else.
Great post. Before the year I actually looked up highlights of past WMU. IMO the offense is yet again Kirk's simply based off the fact we take so many snaps from under center. I didn't see that at all from the WMU stuff I watched.
I’d have to suffer through that shit show again to double check but it really felt like after that INT to start the 2nd half Iowa kind of went away from some of the motion stuff especially to the flats that was working pretty nice in the first half.
Sullivan should have started the second half. And I said that at halftime. Cade may be "healthy" in terms of being able to live a normal life, but he's clearly not healthy in terms of being a BIG QB. I thought he looked pretty spry last week, but yesterday . . . it was not good.
And we have Sullivan, a guy with swagger and lots of BIG experience, a guy who's quick and mobile and who can actually run as well as throw. He's the ONLY chance Iowa has at salvaging this season. But we all know Cade will play until his body finally breaks down again. That's always been a travesty with KF, and he hasn't learned a damn thing in a quarter century . . . regarding going to the bullpen or regarding using offense to win the game. Despite all the stupidity, ONE more first down at the end, and ISU never sees the ball again, game over. Instead, Iowa follows tradition and runs into a stacked box, punts, and turns it over to the D, which couldn't handle it.
KF needs to start Sullivan next Saturday or retire . . . preferably both. I hear Nick Saban is enjoying retirement just fine, and Alabama is still playing football.
And we have Sullivan, a guy with swagger and lots of BIG experience, a guy who's quick and mobile and who can actually run as well as throw. He's the ONLY chance Iowa has at salvaging this season. But we all know Cade will play until his body finally breaks down again. That's always been a travesty with KF, and he hasn't learned a damn thing in a quarter century . . . regarding going to the bullpen or regarding using offense to win the game. Despite all the stupidity, ONE more first down at the end, and ISU never sees the ball again, game over. Instead, Iowa follows tradition and runs into a stacked box, punts, and turns it over to the D, which couldn't handle it.
KF needs to start Sullivan next Saturday or retire . . . preferably both. I hear Nick Saban is enjoying retirement just fine, and Alabama is still playing football.
Oh no...our coach will not replace the QB unless he can no longer stand. He's too f,,,,,g stubborn
Kirk seems to have this idiotic foolish belief that when you pick a QB1 at the beginning of each season, that's the only guy who gets snaps all year and the backups are just taking up roster space - unless injury removes the starter from that spot.
It just boggles the mind how unflinchingly stubborn KF is about his own offensive presets. The game changed 15-20 years ago and he's still coaching like the games he watched on his little b&w TV as a young kid are how football still operates.
It just boggles the mind how unflinchingly stubborn KF is about his own offensive presets. The game changed 15-20 years ago and he's still coaching like the games he watched on his little b&w TV as a young kid are how football still operates.
Cade.
Didn't see a wide open Gill in the ez.
Threw a terrible INT when we could have put the game away early in the third.
Under threw a wide open KB3 that would have ended the game in the 4th.
Coaches job to put the athletes in a position to win, it's up to the athletes to make the plays.
Didn't see a wide open Gill in the ez.
Threw a terrible INT when we could have put the game away early in the third.
Under threw a wide open KB3 that would have ended the game in the 4th.
Coaches job to put the athletes in a position to win, it's up to the athletes to make the plays.
Kirk is one of the worst offensive minds in modern era major college football and he's also one of the biggest control freaks. His OC hires and the results consistently reflect that
Kirk 100 pct
Kirk 100 pct
Kirk Ferentz is the problem and a joke. F him for what he has put us through. He needs to be fired today for cause.
Plenty of blame to go around. Lester got cute in the redzone, calling terrible plays when we should have just pounded it in. Cade couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat after the first quarter. Kirk calling the 2 point conversion and making numerous bad decisions throughout the game, the OLine for being dogshit. I kept telling everyone at the beginning of the season, it's going to take time for Lester to implement what he wants, and he has his work cut out for him with bad QB and OLine play.
Seems to me that Kirk has a base offense that he requires all his OCs must use at his discretion during the games.
We saw it in the first half of game one. After Cades pick to start second half we saw the conservative offense.
It’s clearly situational. If he’s not comfortable to start the game, ultra conservative. If Iowa gets a lead, break it out. If Iowa makes a mistake, shut it all down
It just doesn’t vibe with other coordinators. GDGD and his very short passing game and Kirk’s zone blocking was a disaster minus one year of CJB magic
Now with Lester it’s his motion offense, little more RPO, but trying to marry the same OL concepts from 1999
We’ll continue to see this Kirk vs Lester all year with very mixed results
Edit to state Brian’s offense was a combination of two OL coaches thinking they could design a successful scheme. Instead it was a multiplication of bad
We saw it in the first half of game one. After Cades pick to start second half we saw the conservative offense.
It’s clearly situational. If he’s not comfortable to start the game, ultra conservative. If Iowa gets a lead, break it out. If Iowa makes a mistake, shut it all down
It just doesn’t vibe with other coordinators. GDGD and his very short passing game and Kirk’s zone blocking was a disaster minus one year of CJB magic
Now with Lester it’s his motion offense, little more RPO, but trying to marry the same OL concepts from 1999
We’ll continue to see this Kirk vs Lester all year with very mixed results
Edit to state Brian’s offense was a combination of two OL coaches thinking they could design a successful scheme. Instead it was a multiplication of bad
This one was on Cade, no 2 ways about it. Lester schemed guys open constantly and Cade either under threw them or flat out missed them.
But there were specific situational decisions that had KFs fingerprints all over them. The 2 pt call. The decision to run at the end of the game instead of running play action to get one last first down to ice the game. Taking the delay on the punt instead of calling timeout. Each one of those decisions individually and collectively led to the L.
He gets aggressive when he shouldn’t then gets conservative when he shouldn’t. It’s maddening.
But there were specific situational decisions that had KFs fingerprints all over them. The 2 pt call. The decision to run at the end of the game instead of running play action to get one last first down to ice the game. Taking the delay on the punt instead of calling timeout. Each one of those decisions individually and collectively led to the L.
He gets aggressive when he shouldn’t then gets conservative when he shouldn’t. It’s maddening.
He is an idiot doofus. Any other program would have fired him after the 07 season.
That’s BS, Lester was calling the plays and the players were the ones not executing. Cade was particularly bad in the red zone.
This post is like going to a therapist/doctor who accurately diagnoses you after years of struggling to find answers.
It really makes you wonder about the O'Keefe-Ferentz years. Who gave up on the power struggle first? I have to believe that was just exhausting for Ken, and Kirk ultimately "won" that battle. He's never hired anyone who pushed back as much since, and the results speak for themselves.
Cade 80% missed so many open reads + poor passes. This isnt even a game if he could read the field and have a stronger arm than a peewee qb
Lester 15% shame on you for your redzone calls and lack of utilization of Lachey.
Kirk 5% for the 2pt conversion attempt. You preach complimentary football and can see your offense has stalled, so what to do you do? Call a 2pt conversion play after seeing your team struggle all day at that distance.
This team is no different than what we had with BF. Sucks being deflated after 2 weeks but glad we were exposed early instead of giving me false hope leading into ohio state
Lester 15% shame on you for your redzone calls and lack of utilization of Lachey.
Kirk 5% for the 2pt conversion attempt. You preach complimentary football and can see your offense has stalled, so what to do you do? Call a 2pt conversion play after seeing your team struggle all day at that distance.
This team is no different than what we had with BF. Sucks being deflated after 2 weeks but glad we were exposed early instead of giving me false hope leading into ohio state
If Lester truly has control of this offense, then Sullivan would be starting at QB. Lester also doesn't strike me as an OC who prefers to put 3-4 TEs on the field in goal line / short yardage situations either.
I’m giving Lester a little leeway as it’s still early on in the season. He’s learning new guys, new defenses, and how to work with Kirk. I said it in another thread that after the 1st INT Kirk put the clamps on the offense and limited what Lester could do. It’s Kirk. Lester may not be a good OC, but it’s too early to tell imo.
Kirk has played this type of game forever. It shouldn't be a surprise. Play calling in the red zone wasn't good, but the QB play was awful, barely an improvement over last year, which was the worst I have seen. The defensive alignment when ISU got the ball at the end of the game allowed the only way the ISU could win the game. You want the safeties playing back a little, but not 30+ yards.
The TEs are his best options right now, except maybe Vander Zee, and the OL needs help blocking.
The o-line seemed somewhat better this week, but deserve some percentage of blame. They couldn't get much push in short yardage situations, even outside the red zone.
Agreed. I wonder if Lester lacked confidence in the o-line. They didn't get much push in short yardage situations all game.
Exactly. I was sick of this shit 10 years ago. Fire the dumbass stubborn curmudgeon.
I'm not coming too hard on Lester for the red zone calls. In week 2 with a new team/new offense, you don't truly know who you are. I would prefer to spread the field more inside the 5 and force the defense to play light.
The biggest flaw on offense was McNamara's inability to make a throw in the 2nd half. That took away Iowa's ability to run the ball as well.
The defense had THREE blown coverages in the second half, leading directly to 17 points. That's a very rare thing.
* The boot to the H back on 3rd and 4? on ISU's first TD drive.
* The second TD where Nwankpa inexplicably squatted as the receiver ran by him.
* Castro not picking up the wheel on the game-winning FG drive.
They also got away with a blown coverage on the same play as Higgins's interception, as the coverage on the opposite side was confused pre-snap and the receiver was wide open downfield.
The biggest flaw on offense was McNamara's inability to make a throw in the 2nd half. That took away Iowa's ability to run the ball as well.
The defense had THREE blown coverages in the second half, leading directly to 17 points. That's a very rare thing.
* The boot to the H back on 3rd and 4? on ISU's first TD drive.
* The second TD where Nwankpa inexplicably squatted as the receiver ran by him.
* Castro not picking up the wheel on the game-winning FG drive.
They also got away with a blown coverage on the same play as Higgins's interception, as the coverage on the opposite side was confused pre-snap and the receiver was wide open downfield.
Brian and Kirk. This offense and our quarterback is still on our former “quarterbacks” coach. Lester gets an entirely free pass to bring this offense back from the ashes this season.
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Just because you have depth at TE doesn’t mean 4 of them have to be on the field at the same time. I don’t really want to re-watch those goal line series, but I’m pretty sure it was Pascuzzi that got destroyed in one of those looks.
The point I was making is that Lester seems more like a guy who would stick to 11 or 12 personnel most of the game and spread the defense out a bit rather than going super heavy and playing in a phone booth.
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