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Letter to Trump from former president of Poland

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Former President of Poland Lech Walesa wrote the following letter to Trump.

Your Excellency, Mr. President,

We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. Gratitude is owed to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed their blood in defense of the values of the free world. They have been dying on the front lines for more than 11 years in the name of these values and the independence of their homeland, which was attacked by Putin’s russia.

We do not understand how the leader of a country that symbolizes the free world cannot recognize this.

Our alarm was also heightened by the atmosphere in the Oval Office during this conversation, which reminded us of the interrogations we endured at the hands of the Security Services and the debates in Communist courts. Prosecutors and judges, acting on behalf of the all-powerful communist political police, would explain to us that they held all the power while we held none. They demanded that we cease our activities, arguing that thousands of innocent people suffered because of us. They stripped us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government or express gratitude for our oppression. We are shocked that President Volodymyr Zelensky was treated in the same manner.

The history of the 20th century shows that whenever the United States sought to distance itself from democratic values and its European allies, it ultimately became a threat to itself. President Woodrow Wilson understood this when he decided in 1917 that the United States must join World War I. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood this when, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, he resolved that the war to defend America must be fought not only in the Pacific but also in Europe, in alliance with the nations under attack by the Third Reich.

We remember that without President Ronald Reagan and America’s financial commitment, the collapse of the Soviet empire would not have been possible. President Reagan recognized that millions of enslaved people suffered in Soviet russia and the countries it had subjugated, including thousands of political prisoners who paid for their defense of democratic values with their freedom. His greatness lay, among other things, in his unwavering decision to call the USSR an “Empire of Evil” and to fight it decisively. We won, and today, the statue of President Ronald Reagan stands in Warsaw, facing the U.S. Embassy.

Mr. President, material aid—military and financial—can never be equated with the blood shed in the name of Ukraine’s independence and the freedom of Europe and the entire free world. Human life is priceless; its value cannot be measured in money. Gratitude is due to those who sacrifice their blood and their freedom. This is self-evident to us, the people of Solidarity, former political prisoners of the communist regime under Soviet russia.

We call on the United States to uphold the guarantees made alongside Great Britain in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which established a direct obligation to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity in exchange for its relinquishment of nuclear weapons. These guarantees are unconditional—there is no mention of treating such assistance as an economic transaction.

Signed,

Lech Wałęsa, former political prisoner, President of Poland
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE[Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe]Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.


 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE[Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe]Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.




Thanks for the info, comrade. Man have you fallen.
 
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Former President of Poland Lech Walesa wrote the following letter to Trump.

Your Excellency, Mr. President,

We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. Gratitude is owed to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed their blood in defense of the values of the free world. They have been dying on the front lines for more than 11 years in the name of these values and the independence of their homeland, which was attacked by Putin’s russia.

We do not understand how the leader of a country that symbolizes the free world cannot recognize this.

Our alarm was also heightened by the atmosphere in the Oval Office during this conversation, which reminded us of the interrogations we endured at the hands of the Security Services and the debates in Communist courts. Prosecutors and judges, acting on behalf of the all-powerful communist political police, would explain to us that they held all the power while we held none. They demanded that we cease our activities, arguing that thousands of innocent people suffered because of us. They stripped us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government or express gratitude for our oppression. We are shocked that President Volodymyr Zelensky was treated in the same manner.

The history of the 20th century shows that whenever the United States sought to distance itself from democratic values and its European allies, it ultimately became a threat to itself. President Woodrow Wilson understood this when he decided in 1917 that the United States must join World War I. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood this when, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, he resolved that the war to defend America must be fought not only in the Pacific but also in Europe, in alliance with the nations under attack by the Third Reich.

We remember that without President Ronald Reagan and America’s financial commitment, the collapse of the Soviet empire would not have been possible. President Reagan recognized that millions of enslaved people suffered in Soviet russia and the countries it had subjugated, including thousands of political prisoners who paid for their defense of democratic values with their freedom. His greatness lay, among other things, in his unwavering decision to call the USSR an “Empire of Evil” and to fight it decisively. We won, and today, the statue of President Ronald Reagan stands in Warsaw, facing the U.S. Embassy.

Mr. President, material aid—military and financial—can never be equated with the blood shed in the name of Ukraine’s independence and the freedom of Europe and the entire free world. Human life is priceless; its value cannot be measured in money. Gratitude is due to those who sacrifice their blood and their freedom. This is self-evident to us, the people of Solidarity, former political prisoners of the communist regime under Soviet russia.

We call on the United States to uphold the guarantees made alongside Great Britain in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which established a direct obligation to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity in exchange for its relinquishment of nuclear weapons. These guarantees are unconditional—there is no mention of treating such assistance as an economic transaction.

Signed,

Lech Wałęsa, former political prisoner, President of Poland

Great stuff. All of it is true.
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE[Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe]Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
...
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.



Okay. You want to go down that path.

How do you think Allende was killed and Pinochet gained power?

The US has foreign policy, and it has foreign policy.

You are totally not understanding how we do things, and our philosophy about approaching certain situations. The US has made many mistakes since WW2. But, most presidents are concerned with geopolitics.

Donald Trump does not have a clue about geopolitics nor diplomacy.

BTW. Chris Murphy is a good guy. And, it’s not because he’s a Democrat. He truly works for the greater good.
 
Thanks for the info, comrade. Man gave you fallen.

I realize there's no way to refute what the Senator outlined.
We violated the Budapest memorandum by violating Ukraine's sovereignty.
Because the 'rules based order' doesn't apply to the US, but we're going to act aghast that Russia responded as so many people accurately predicted they would.





















It sucks that these people were right, and ignored.

These people were probably all secretly Russian assets, right? Of course they were...
 
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Okay. You want to go down that path.

How do you think Allende was killed and Pinochet gained power?

Start a new thread on that and I'll participate, but let's keep this on the Ukraine intervention.

Do you consider our role in the coup and sanctions threats to somehow not be violations of the Budapest Memorandum I quoted?

If not, why not?

Your 'good guy' Senator Murphy literally copped to it contemporaneously.
 
I realize there's no way to refute what the Senator outlined.
We violated the Budapest memorandum by violating Ukraine's sovereignty.
Because the 'rules based order' doesn't apply to the US, but we're going to act aghast that Russia responded as so many people accurately predicted they would.





















It sucks that these people were right, and ignored.

These people were probably all secretly Russian assets, right? Of course they were...
It’s all the same guy posting that.

The US modifies its opinions and defense philosophies as other nations change.

But one thing, never close your eyes on Russia.

There were agreements at the end of WW2. Russia used it as a land grab and we had the Cold War.

People, just read. If you can read messages boards, you can read a book, you can read online.
 
It’s all the same guy posting that.

Ok?

Does that somehow change that he's quoting ambassadors, defense secretaries, CIA Directors, etc.

Do you think all those people are secretly Russian assets?
Were William Perry and Robert Gates actually Putin puppets running the Pentagon?
 
Poland likes having a buffer. They don't care about what's good for the US. It's really that simple. Whatever is said by anyone in Poland or the EU is based on that premise. It has nothing to do with actually ending the war as son as possible.
 
Topic for tomorrow. I shall answer. I just need to sleep now.
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Start a new thread on that and I'll participate, but let's keep this on the Ukraine intervention.

Do you consider our role in the coup and sanctions threats to somehow not be violations of the Budapest Memorandum I quoted?

If not, why not?

Your 'good guy' Senator Murphy literally copped to it contemporaneously.
I never agreed to things like that, and I ranted and raved to my dad about it. That’s when my dad, said, “sometimes we make mistakes BC. It’s our fight to stop global communism. “

Next?
 
I never agreed to things like that, and I ranted and raved to my dad about it. That’s when my dad, said, “sometimes we make mistakes BC. It’s our fight to stop global communism. “

Next?

Does "agree to things like that", mean you agree that we violated the Budapest Memorandum by helping overthrow Ukraine's elected president and threatened economic sanctions?

That's how I read it, but didn't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth.

BTW, 'global communism' as a threat died a quarter of a century ago.

 
Does "agree to things like that", mean you agree that we violated the Budapest Memorandum by helping overthrow Ukraine's elected president and threatened economic sanctions?

That's how I read it, but didn't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth.

BTW, 'global communism' as a threat died a quarter of a century ago.

You are attempting to put words in my mouth. I was speaking about Allende, not Ukraine, but you’re doing a great job of showing allegiance to Putin.
 
You are attempting to put words in my mouth.

Not at all, that's why I sought clarification.

I was speaking about Allende

I said earlier I'd entertain that discussion in another thread, let's keep this one on Ukraine.

not Ukraine, but you’re doing a great job of showing allegiance to Putin.

This is a very lame rhetorical diversion. I've asked that question of others who reaches for the McCarthyite stick like you just did, and none of them ever answer.
It's weird. Almost like they don't really believe it, they're just trying to divert the discussion.

So my earlier question, that you said you'd answer after sleeping on it:

1. Do you think all those people who warned about negative consequences from NATO expansion are secretly Russian assets?

2. Were William Perry and Robert Gates actually Putin puppets running the Pentagon?

3. Do you consider our role in the coup and sanctions threats to somehow not be violations of the Budapest Memorandum I quoted? If not, why not?
 
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He was a significant threat to the jihadists our CIA armed in Syria, but not to the U.S.
I don’t know where you get your information, but you are clearly stating that the US intelligence should not monitor foreign governments and their activities.

You seriously do not understand global politics. I’d suggest taking a few classes and reading a few books.

Why not start with Henry Kissinger. He was one of the greatest minds when it comes to this.

Your statements also tell me that you do not align with traditional Republicans, like the Cheneys.

So tell us what exactly you believe in, because it is certainly NOT traditional Republicans.
 
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I hadn't thought about Lech Walesa in a very long time, glad to hear he is still with us. I stand by his thoughts and sentiments.

Lech's balls would crush Trump like a peanut shell.
 
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