ADVERTISEMENT

Looking to the '25 D ... what needs to be done to improve?

ghostOfHomer777

HB Heisman
May 20, 2014
9,523
11,961
113
It seems apparent from BOTH transfer-portal movement AND what we saw on the field ... Iowa appeared to lack depth on the DL, most notably at DT. Our starters, in Black and Graves were obviously pretty good ... however, Pittman's development has apparently been a "slower build" and none of the other guys "popped" beyond that. Furthermore, the injury to Allen certainly didn't help things, seeing that he was a guy who could play on the outside OR the inside ... he was a guy who we had seen some nice things from.

At DE, guys still need to do a better job of maintaining outside leverage. Too often, guys would cheat inside ... and then we'd lose our outside leverage.

I do believe that we have a good core group at DE in Hurkett, Allen, and Llewellyn. Obviously, with the graduation of Black ... it leaves a bit of a vacuum of "proven" productive guys outside of Graves. Hopefully, the additions of Pace and Hawthorne address this vacuum-issue.

The other obvious thing was the play in the secondary. I know that Entringer is a talented guy ... but his absence was felt more than I would have predicted. Furthermore, apart from Harris ... our corner play was largely pretty uneven. Lee seemed to be the most consistent performer ... but his play has its own limitations. He's still on the short-side and a little slow ... so he can get abused a bit when he's caught on an island. After a surprisingly decent RS FR season ... his SO season wasn't to the same level. Kinda reminded me a bit of King's sophomore slump in '14.

Anyhow, it's obvious that Phil likes the guys he has in his room ... it seems like there's just the continued process of having those guys develop ... because they're clearly not "there" yet.

Iowa's LB play was obviously very veteran. I know that Phil asks a lot of them ... often times relying on defending against the run with surprisingly few hats in the box. This season, I don't know if the issue was that the DL wasn't doing a good enough job of keeping them clean ... or if they weren't making the right reads when filling against the run ... because our run-D was far more porous than I'd ordinarily expect for an Iowa D (particularly one with such a veteran group of LBs). Sharar and Harrell finally saw more snaps this season ... so hopefully that helps them going into next year. The Hawks have seemingly been recruiting pretty well at LB over the past few years, so I expect that the LB-room will ultimately develop into a pretty decent group.

I know that Iowa fans are seemingly very "woe is me" concerning our offensive situation ... but my eye-balls told me that even in spite of QB issues (particularly concerning QB-health) ... the O was still light years better than what it was over the prior few seasons. Thus, I think that it is reasonable to assume that Iowa's O will continue to be on a bit of an upward ascent as Lester continues to assert himself. Furthermore, I think that there was a lot to like from what we say from Dakin ... punting was usually pretty good. So that leaves the D ... will we see improvement going into next season?
 
It seems apparent from BOTH transfer-portal movement AND what we saw on the field ... Iowa appeared to lack depth on the DL, most notably at DT. Our starters, in Black and Graves were obviously pretty good ... however, Pittman's development has apparently been a "slower build" and none of the other guys "popped" beyond that. Furthermore, the injury to Allen certainly didn't help things, seeing that he was a guy who could play on the outside OR the inside ... he was a guy who we had seen some nice things from.

At DE, guys still need to do a better job of maintaining outside leverage. Too often, guys would cheat inside ... and then we'd lose our outside leverage.

I do believe that we have a good core group at DE in Hurkett, Allen, and Llewellyn. Obviously, with the graduation of Black ... it leaves a bit of a vacuum of "proven" productive guys outside of Graves. Hopefully, the additions of Pace and Hawthorne address this vacuum-issue.

The other obvious thing was the play in the secondary. I know that Entringer is a talented guy ... but his absence was felt more than I would have predicted. Furthermore, apart from Harris ... our corner play was largely pretty uneven. Lee seemed to be the most consistent performer ... but his play has its own limitations. He's still on the short-side and a little slow ... so he can get abused a bit when he's caught on an island. After a surprisingly decent RS FR season ... his SO season wasn't to the same level. Kinda reminded me a bit of King's sophomore slump in '14.

Anyhow, it's obvious that Phil likes the guys he has in his room ... it seems like there's just the continued process of having those guys develop ... because they're clearly not "there" yet.

Iowa's LB play was obviously very veteran. I know that Phil asks a lot of them ... often times relying on defending against the run with surprisingly few hats in the box. This season, I don't know if the issue was that the DL wasn't doing a good enough job of keeping them clean ... or if they weren't making the right reads when filling against the run ... because our run-D was far more porous than I'd ordinarily expect for an Iowa D (particularly one with such a veteran group of LBs). Sharar and Harrell finally saw more snaps this season ... so hopefully that helps them going into next year. The Hawks have seemingly been recruiting pretty well at LB over the past few years, so I expect that the LB-room will ultimately develop into a pretty decent group.

I know that Iowa fans are seemingly very "woe is me" concerning our offensive situation ... but my eye-balls told me that even in spite of QB issues (particularly concerning QB-health) ... the O was still light years better than what it was over the prior few seasons. Thus, I think that it is reasonable to assume that Iowa's O will continue to be on a bit of an upward ascent as Lester continues to assert himself. Furthermore, I think that there was a lot to like from what we say from Dakin ... punting was usually pretty good. So that leaves the D ... will we see improvement going into next season?
If you ask some people, we just need to spend all our NIL money and buy out the Detroit Lions defensive players' contracts so they can play defense for us...............
 
  • Wow
Reactions: ddeanHawk
I know Shulte played a shit ton as a multi-year vet but I think, except for a couple possible early season hiccups, his replacement - probably Lutmer - will be an upgrade. Shulte always seemed to lack instinct and was late to the action. Seems unfair, but also remember the dropped INTs.
 
I know Shulte played a shit ton as a multi-year vet but I think, except for a couple possible early season hiccups, his replacement - probably Lutmer - will be an upgrade. Shulte always seemed to lack instinct and was late to the action. Seems unfair, but also remember the dropped INTs.
I think Lutmer will make you quickly forget about Schulte, and that's not a huge knock against him. To my untrained eye, Schulte was always in chase mode or pulling guys down after a first down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: nu2u
I think Lutmer will make you quickly forget about Schulte, and that's not a huge knock against him. To my untrained eye, Schulte was always in chase mode or pulling guys down after a first down.
In some combo it seems like Etringer, Luther and Nwankpa will be involved as SS, FS and CASH; or at least will have the first crack at it.
 
It seems apparent from BOTH transfer-portal movement AND what we saw on the field ... Iowa appeared to lack depth on the DL, most notably at DT. Our starters, in Black and Graves were obviously pretty good ... however, Pittman's development has apparently been a "slower build" and none of the other guys "popped" beyond that. Furthermore, the injury to Allen certainly didn't help things, seeing that he was a guy who could play on the outside OR the inside ... he was a guy who we had seen some nice things from.

At DE, guys still need to do a better job of maintaining outside leverage. Too often, guys would cheat inside ... and then we'd lose our outside leverage.

I do believe that we have a good core group at DE in Hurkett, Allen, and Llewellyn. Obviously, with the graduation of Black ... it leaves a bit of a vacuum of "proven" productive guys outside of Graves. Hopefully, the additions of Pace and Hawthorne address this vacuum-issue.

The other obvious thing was the play in the secondary. I know that Entringer is a talented guy ... but his absence was felt more than I would have predicted. Furthermore, apart from Harris ... our corner play was largely pretty uneven. Lee seemed to be the most consistent performer ... but his play has its own limitations. He's still on the short-side and a little slow ... so he can get abused a bit when he's caught on an island. After a surprisingly decent RS FR season ... his SO season wasn't to the same level. Kinda reminded me a bit of King's sophomore slump in '14.

Anyhow, it's obvious that Phil likes the guys he has in his room ... it seems like there's just the continued process of having those guys develop ... because they're clearly not "there" yet.

Iowa's LB play was obviously very veteran. I know that Phil asks a lot of them ... often times relying on defending against the run with surprisingly few hats in the box. This season, I don't know if the issue was that the DL wasn't doing a good enough job of keeping them clean ... or if they weren't making the right reads when filling against the run ... because our run-D was far more porous than I'd ordinarily expect for an Iowa D (particularly one with such a veteran group of LBs). Sharar and Harrell finally saw more snaps this season ... so hopefully that helps them going into next year. The Hawks have seemingly been recruiting pretty well at LB over the past few years, so I expect that the LB-room will ultimately develop into a pretty decent group.

I know that Iowa fans are seemingly very "woe is me" concerning our offensive situation ... but my eye-balls told me that even in spite of QB issues (particularly concerning QB-health) ... the O was still light years better than what it was over the prior few seasons. Thus, I think that it is reasonable to assume that Iowa's O will continue to be on a bit of an upward ascent as Lester continues to assert himself. Furthermore, I think that there was a lot to like from what we say from Dakin ... punting was usually pretty good. So that leaves the D ... will we see improvement going into next season?
Besides the brutal no talent roster and the arachiac crappy scheme about it. This program is done.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: sober_teacher
I know Shulte played a shit ton as a multi-year vet but I think, except for a couple possible early season hiccups, his replacement - probably Lutmer - will be an upgrade. Shulte always seemed to lack instinct and was late to the action. Seems unfair, but also remember the dropped INTs.
I think it will most likely be X at FS, Entringer at SS, and Lutmer at CASH.
 
It seems apparent from BOTH transfer-portal movement AND what we saw on the field ... Iowa appeared to lack depth on the DL, most notably at DT. Our starters, in Black and Graves were obviously pretty good ... however, Pittman's development has apparently been a "slower build" and none of the other guys "popped" beyond that. Furthermore, the injury to Allen certainly didn't help things, seeing that he was a guy who could play on the outside OR the inside ... he was a guy who we had seen some nice things from.

At DE, guys still need to do a better job of maintaining outside leverage. Too often, guys would cheat inside ... and then we'd lose our outside leverage.

I do believe that we have a good core group at DE in Hurkett, Allen, and Llewellyn. Obviously, with the graduation of Black ... it leaves a bit of a vacuum of "proven" productive guys outside of Graves. Hopefully, the additions of Pace and Hawthorne address this vacuum-issue.

The other obvious thing was the play in the secondary. I know that Entringer is a talented guy ... but his absence was felt more than I would have predicted. Furthermore, apart from Harris ... our corner play was largely pretty uneven. Lee seemed to be the most consistent performer ... but his play has its own limitations. He's still on the short-side and a little slow ... so he can get abused a bit when he's caught on an island. After a surprisingly decent RS FR season ... his SO season wasn't to the same level. Kinda reminded me a bit of King's sophomore slump in '14.

Anyhow, it's obvious that Phil likes the guys he has in his room ... it seems like there's just the continued process of having those guys develop ... because they're clearly not "there" yet.

Iowa's LB play was obviously very veteran. I know that Phil asks a lot of them ... often times relying on defending against the run with surprisingly few hats in the box. This season, I don't know if the issue was that the DL wasn't doing a good enough job of keeping them clean ... or if they weren't making the right reads when filling against the run ... because our run-D was far more porous than I'd ordinarily expect for an Iowa D (particularly one with such a veteran group of LBs). Sharar and Harrell finally saw more snaps this season ... so hopefully that helps them going into next year. The Hawks have seemingly been recruiting pretty well at LB over the past few years, so I expect that the LB-room will ultimately develop into a pretty decent group.

I know that Iowa fans are seemingly very "woe is me" concerning our offensive situation ... but my eye-balls told me that even in spite of QB issues (particularly concerning QB-health) ... the O was still light years better than what it was over the prior few seasons. Thus, I think that it is reasonable to assume that Iowa's O will continue to be on a bit of an upward ascent as Lester continues to assert himself. Furthermore, I think that there was a lot to like from what we say from Dakin ... punting was usually pretty good. So that leaves the D ... will we see improvement going into next season?
I think we will see a better pass rush next year . If the secondary improves and I expect it to, the defense will be better.
 
It could be decades before we see a run of defenses as good as those from 2018-2023. Iowa fans are going to have to adjust expectations.
Those defenses were very good, but probably not as good as they looked on paper given two nonconference cupcakes and a decidedly mediocre bunch of offenses in the Big Ten West every year.

So I think Phil, as outstanding as he's been, needs to make some changes in his approach when facing better offenses, especially better, mobile QBs. There may be no better example this year than Missouri. Phil, with absolutely nothing to lose and playing without his best CB, REFUSED to blitz an outstanding, veteran, mobile Missouri QB. The result was predictable. The kid sat back there and threw like he was playing catch in the backyard. I don't know that Iowa's D stopped Missouri more than once or twice all day. For the most part, Missouri's offense stayed on the field until it made enough mistakes to stop a drive--overthrown receivers, dropped passes, bad play calls.

You cannot beat good offenses without pressuring the QB. The best defense against a good passing game is pressure. Sure, great players on the back end are nice, but no QB has ever been effective while trying to throw under constant duress. The bowl games and the CFP have clearly demonstrated that. Michigan blitzed the hell out of a very good, veteran QB in Alabama's Milroe, so the young man looked quite mortal as he ran for his life most of the day, and Michigan won.

Phil's conservative bend-but-don't-break broke a lot this year, including against Missouri. No defensive backfield can be expected to cover decent receivers for 4, 5, 6 seconds or even longer. While many people, including some in the press, have naively put the bowl game loss on Sullivan, they're wrong. Poor play calling in the second half combined with a stubborn refusal to blitz--coaching mistakes--doomed Iowa to the loss.

So for Iowa's defense to be effective it, like the offense, must be FAR more creative and aggressive than we've seen under Phil Parker.
 
It seems apparent from BOTH transfer-portal movement AND what we saw on the field ... Iowa appeared to lack depth on the DL, most notably at DT. Our starters, in Black and Graves were obviously pretty good ... however, Pittman's development has apparently been a "slower build" and none of the other guys "popped" beyond that. Furthermore, the injury to Allen certainly didn't help things, seeing that he was a guy who could play on the outside OR the inside ... he was a guy who we had seen some nice things from.

At DE, guys still need to do a better job of maintaining outside leverage. Too often, guys would cheat inside ... and then we'd lose our outside leverage.

I do believe that we have a good core group at DE in Hurkett, Allen, and Llewellyn. Obviously, with the graduation of Black ... it leaves a bit of a vacuum of "proven" productive guys outside of Graves. Hopefully, the additions of Pace and Hawthorne address this vacuum-issue.

The other obvious thing was the play in the secondary. I know that Entringer is a talented guy ... but his absence was felt more than I would have predicted. Furthermore, apart from Harris ... our corner play was largely pretty uneven. Lee seemed to be the most consistent performer ... but his play has its own limitations. He's still on the short-side and a little slow ... so he can get abused a bit when he's caught on an island. After a surprisingly decent RS FR season ... his SO season wasn't to the same level. Kinda reminded me a bit of King's sophomore slump in '14.

Anyhow, it's obvious that Phil likes the guys he has in his room ... it seems like there's just the continued process of having those guys develop ... because they're clearly not "there" yet.

Iowa's LB play was obviously very veteran. I know that Phil asks a lot of them ... often times relying on defending against the run with surprisingly few hats in the box. This season, I don't know if the issue was that the DL wasn't doing a good enough job of keeping them clean ... or if they weren't making the right reads when filling against the run ... because our run-D was far more porous than I'd ordinarily expect for an Iowa D (particularly one with such a veteran group of LBs). Sharar and Harrell finally saw more snaps this season ... so hopefully that helps them going into next year. The Hawks have seemingly been recruiting pretty well at LB over the past few years, so I expect that the LB-room will ultimately develop into a pretty decent group.

I know that Iowa fans are seemingly very "woe is me" concerning our offensive situation ... but my eye-balls told me that even in spite of QB issues (particularly concerning QB-health) ... the O was still light years better than what it was over the prior few seasons. Thus, I think that it is reasonable to assume that Iowa's O will continue to be on a bit of an upward ascent as Lester continues to assert himself. Furthermore, I think that there was a lot to like from what we say from Dakin ... punting was usually pretty good. So that leaves the D ... will we see improvement going into next season?
You said " This season, I don't know if the issue was that the DL wasn't doing a good enough job of keeping them clean " and what I saw in some our worst games against the run, MSU, UCLA, not too bad against OSU, was our DTackles were getting their pads lifted and they were straightend up and pushed a good distance like they were on skates. That needs to be fixed. In other games, Black and Graves were really pretty stout. And like you said our DEnds were pinned inside a lot and gave up some big runs on the edge. Does this mean they just need to line up one more foot outside of the outside most blocker and let the Lbkr fill the gap between Dtackle and DEnd. Maybe. But again both of those situations need to improve as this defense was not as stingy in run stopping. Plus they had trouble sacking the qb as much as in the past, definitely missed Joe Evans. But the DEnds coming back should have good sack stats next year.

The linebackers will be all new starters but they have experience in the system for a few years and if their technique is sound they will be good.

At cornerback, like you said, they need to be stickier for those first 3 seconds. Parker has had some great corners on both sides with Moss, DeJean, King, Jackson, Harris, and a few others. Opponents knew we were a little weak on one side this year and it showed. Lee and Hall I hope improve their speed and metrics, we shall see.

The safety play was down the last couple of years compared to Hooker, Belton, Merriweather and some others. If the corners are better that lets the safeties shade a little more inside and a little closer to the LOS which could tighten things up.

go hawks
 
  • Like
Reactions: ghostOfHomer777
At cornerback, like you said, they need to be stickier for those first 3 seconds. Parker has had some great corners on both sides with Moss, DeJean, King, Jackson, Harris, and a few others. Opponents knew we were a little weak on one side this year and it showed. Lee and Hall I hope improve their speed and metrics, we shall see.

go hawks
As you mentioned as well ... if the DL can muster a better pass-rush, that takes off a little more pressure on the secondary ... which allows them to exploit the "zone eyes" that Phil teaches them. That can and will equate to takeaways.

Your comments about our DTs against the run sticks with me a little too ... it reminds me of Kirk's and Norm's comments about Bab's against Arizona State. In '04, against ASU, for some reason Bab's technique let up ... and boy was that an ugly game as a result. Mind you ... things weren't just on him ... but when such a high caliber player has a bad game like that ... it really reverberates.
 
  • Like
Reactions: uihawk82
What I saw so much of was the entire dline having a hard time shedding blocks. There is no one in the secondary that can man up a talented receiver, so PP is forced to play a 2 high safety look most all the time. Which is fine if the dline can win up front, stop the run and get even token pressure on the QB. But it just didn't happen this year.

On offense they played pretty well between the tackles, but, are just so weak outside on the edge. There were a lot of big plays that came out of those times when defense tried stacking the box, but, where it really showed was on 3rd and short yardage situations. Iowa has to get better on 3rd and 3 or less to progress and being able to get out to the edge by either passing or throwing will help lighten this box up a lot when it matters.
 
Those defenses were very good, but probably not as good as they looked on paper given two nonconference cupcakes and a decidedly mediocre bunch of offenses in the Big Ten West every year.

So I think Phil, as outstanding as he's been, needs to make some changes in his approach when facing better offenses, especially better, mobile QBs. There may be no better example this year than Missouri. Phil, with absolutely nothing to lose and playing without his best CB, REFUSED to blitz an outstanding, veteran, mobile Missouri QB. The result was predictable. The kid sat back there and threw like he was playing catch in the backyard. I don't know that Iowa's D stopped Missouri more than once or twice all day. For the most part, Missouri's offense stayed on the field until it made enough mistakes to stop a drive--overthrown receivers, dropped passes, bad play calls.

You cannot beat good offenses without pressuring the QB. The best defense against a good passing game is pressure. Sure, great players on the back end are nice, but no QB has ever been effective while trying to throw under constant duress. The bowl games and the CFP have clearly demonstrated that. Michigan blitzed the hell out of a very good, veteran QB in Alabama's Milroe, so the young man looked quite mortal as he ran for his life most of the day, and Michigan won.

Phil's conservative bend-but-don't-break broke a lot this year, including against Missouri. No defensive backfield can be expected to cover decent receivers for 4, 5, 6 seconds or even longer. While many people, including some in the press, have naively put the bowl game loss on Sullivan, they're wrong. Poor play calling in the second half combined with a stubborn refusal to blitz--coaching mistakes--doomed Iowa to the loss.

So for Iowa's defense to be effective it, like the offense, must be FAR more creative and aggressive than we've seen under Phil Parker.
It’s not really accurate to say Phil didn’t blitz. We did blitz a number of times against Missouri but we didn’t have success and lost containment of the QB on several of the occasions where we blitzed.
 
I know Shulte played a shit ton as a multi-year vet but I think, except for a couple possible early season hiccups, his replacement - probably Lutmer - will be an upgrade. Shulte always seemed to lack instinct and was late to the action. Seems unfair, but also remember the dropped INTs.

That and he struggled to tackle, to be honest.
 
Think Koen E will go to CASH. Lutmer and X at the safety spots
I think that you might be right there. Lutmer was okay ... but caught in trail-position too often. Even in match-up zones ... it's hard for a safety to stick with speedy WRs up until they pass over coverage. Entringer started his career having to cover at CB first, if memory serves ... kinda reminds me a little of Amani Hooker and DeJean.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HWKEYZ23
Our corners seem to be clueless and lost half the time. The common denominator in our losses was a tenacious QB who was able to extend the play and toss it around the field. We need a secondary that can lock it down. Sadly, guys like Shulte and Castro regressed a lot. We also need a real pass rush threat, because Llewellyn seemed to be one of our only threats on a somewhat consistent basis. QB's have been way too comfortable in the pocket against us.

Or we can just listen to what that dipshit Eyes thinks and revert any changes made to the offense back to the way it was so we aren't "hurting the defense by implementing a new gameplan".
 
  • Love
Reactions: HWKEYZ23
2D I'm not sure I agree with the "regression" people are talking about. When you have 2 shutdown corners as we've had the last few years before this (Moss, DeJean, Harris), it instantly improves the entire defense. Without that, suddenly our "always somewhat pedestrian pass rush" becomes completely ineffective and our back 7 has to rely on zones etc. to cover and that can be exposed quickly. It's probably not realistic to expect having shutdown corners year after year. But it's truly the absolute key to Phil's defense. I'm not seeing that at least in the next 2 years.
 
2D I'm not sure I agree with the "regression" people are talking about. When you have 2 shutdown corners as we've had the last few years before this (Moss, DeJean, Harris), it instantly improves the entire defense. Without that, suddenly our "always somewhat pedestrian pass rush" becomes completely ineffective and our back 7 has to rely on zones etc. to cover and that can be exposed quickly. It's probably not realistic to expect having shutdown corners year after year. But it's truly the absolute key to Phil's defense. I'm not seeing that at least in the next 2 years.
Last 2 years? Iowa's defense last year was tied for 3rd in the country in terms of efficiency.

 
I think it will most likely be X at FS, Entringer at SS, and Lutmer at CASH.
If we throw the senior 'union card' out, I have no reason to think Nwankpa should or will be in the starting lineup next season. It'll be a bad sign if we don't have someone younger and more talented to play in place of him.

XN: No sacks. No Interceptions. Not even in the top 120 (In the conference!) for total tackles - which includes solo AND assists.

XN was borderline useless.
 
The key to Phil's defense always has been, and always will be, the DL. When it's strong against the run, it allows him to not have to commit safety help and he can use them solely as pass defenders. In a perfect world for Phil, he only has to dedicate 5 guys to the run. And then when he's got athletic DEs that can get to the QB, that forces teams to play from behind the chains and then you see interceptions start going way up. We didn't really have either of those things on the DL this year.....not consistently anyway.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greenway4Prez
I trust Phil Parker on righting the ship a hell of a lot more than I trust Lester to be able to produce a reliable offense
I agree that Phil is as good as it gets and while nobody can produce top 10 results every year, he gets more out of less than anyone in college football.

Lester produced much better results his first year, but even he admits that the passing game is still woefully bad. Just the fact that he recognizes that publicly is a step forward and fans need to give him the benefit of the doubt that he has the wherewithal to fix it.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT