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Looks like House support for a Ukraine funding bill is a long shot unless Dems get serious about a border bill.

Dem Translation: "Legalize!"

Awesome, nuanced response, Northern.

We have 8.8 million job openings in the U.S. and not enough willing bodies who want to work.

If you want to fight the demographic trends and pretend to preserve a lily-white America because brown people scare you, then fight pathways to legal immigration. It’s a good look.

America was built on the backs of immigrants and will continue to need them in the future.
 
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It’s a solid bill fo’sho.

The GOP House knew it wasn’t going anywhere in the Senate - and created a MAGA-tized version so they could claim progress.

And then refused to negotiate with the Senate on a more nuanced version.
Ah, yes, the ole "take it or leave it" style of negotiation. Nice.
 
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Awesome, nuanced response, Northern.

We have 8.8 million job openings in the U.S. and not enough willing bodies who want to work.

If you want to fight the demographic trends and pretend to preserve a lily-white America because brown people scare you, then fight pathways to legal immigration. It’s a good look.

America was built on the backs of immigrants and will continue to need them in the future.
I guess I'm lucky that great great grandpa was let in from Germany or I'd be eating sauerkraut sammiches every day.
 
1 and 3 should be alarming to u. The biggest driver of migrants is jobs. If u take away that carrot numbers fall.
And if we are going to pour billions into a Wall. Shouldn’t we make sure it’s feasible and actually stays up.

Why did the Biden Adminstration gut workplace enforcement raids?
 
Why did the Biden Adminstration gut workplace enforcement raids?
Don’t know. Have to ask Biden. Generally, they don’t work. Grab a few and they are replaced with a different batch of illegals in days. So u spent all that time and manpower. Essentially to do absolutely nothing. Believe currently the government has been more focused on minors working.
The corporations that run these plants know the game. Delegate enough to give yourself plausible deniability. Or pay a some fines. Then bring more in and keep BAU. It doesn’t deter illegals because it’s a numbers game and the risks are far less than the rewards.
 
Why did the Biden Adminstration gut workplace enforcement raids?
Those largely target the wrong people. If you target the prostitutes, but ignore the pimp, it allows the pimp to merely replace the prostitutes. It makes those workers more vulnerable and exploitable without addressing the root of the problem. OTOH, I'm pretty sure it was Jesus who said, "Comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted."
 
Don’t know. Have to ask Biden. Generally, they don’t work. Grab a few and they are replaced with a different batch of illegals in days. So u spent all that time and manpower. Essentially to do absolutely nothing. Believe currently the government has been more focused on minors working.
The corporations that run these plants know the game. Delegate enough to give yourself plausible deniability. Or pay a some fines. Then bring more in and keep BAU. It doesn’t deter illegals because it’s a numbers game and the risks are far less than the rewards.

Your response is embarrassing.
 
I don’t know but I’m glad he did. If you want a police state with constant raids, move to Russia

So only enforce the laws you agree with? This is precisely why Republicans are leary of any new laws the dems want. They'll just ignore the portions they don't like. Just like they already do.
 
Why did the Biden Adminstration gut workplace enforcement raids?
No input to the raids, but I lol when I read this. I live in a very conservative community. Something like 75% Trump over Biden. A local concrete factory was raided during the Trump administration and dozens of immigrants were arrested. There was a huge outcry because the people deported were outstanding workings. Men and women who worked hard and contributed to the community.
 
So only enforce the laws you agree with? This is precisely why Republicans are leary of any new laws the dems want. They'll just ignore the portions they don't like. Just like they already do.

It was just explained to you that these workplace raids don’t work. You aren’t interested in solutions. You just want immigrants living in fear and terror.
 
Your response is embarrassing.
Yes it is been going on since the 1980’s. Until the folks who do the hiring are hammered. Raids are a waste of time. It only moves more illegals in. U should ask the Representatives left or right why the employers are allowed to get away with it. Probably because of campaign contributions To both parties. A learned more Spanish one summer de tasseling corn in Iowa. Than 4 yrs in high school and 2 in college.
 
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No input to the raids, but I lol when I read this. I live in a very conservative community. Something like 75% Trump over Biden. A local concrete factory was raided during the Trump administration and dozens of immigrants were arrested. There was a huge outcry because the people deported were outstanding workings. Men and women who worked hard and contributed to the community.

They paid taxes as well
 
Why did the Biden Adminstration gut workplace enforcement raids?

Biden’s administration shifted focus to employers (vs employees) to reduce the demand for illegal immigration.

Trump made headlines for his ICE workforce raids that, ironically, pointed to the flaws in what the GOP was demanding out of HR2, Northern. In the 2019 raids of Mississippi food processing plants, it was determined that hundreds of those arrested managed to circumvent the E-Verify system. So there are flaws all throughout the GOP’s preferred enforcement tactics.

In the meantime, the notoriously left leaning CATO Institute is suggesting that ICE enforcement has increased since Trump left office.

 
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No input to the raids, but I lol when I read this. I live in a very conservative community. Something like 75% Trump over Biden. A local concrete factory was raided during the Trump administration and dozens of immigrants were arrested. There was a huge outcry because the people deported were outstanding workings. Men and women who worked hard and contributed to the community.

Outcry among those arrested, their families, their employers and liberals in general.
 
"...Unless Dems get serious about a border bill"

Holy shit! Are you f*****g serious with this crap right now? Democrats were on board with the most MAGA border bill ever conceived and Republicans killed it. I know you have the memory retention of a goldfish but that was *checks notes*... last week! Wow.
 
"...Unless Dems get serious about a border bill"

Holy shit! Are you f*****g serious with this crap right now? Democrats were on board with the most MAGA border bill ever conceived and Republicans killed it. I know you have the memory retention of a goldfish but that was *checks notes*... last week! Wow.

It was a Ukraine bill with an attached border surge processing bill.
 
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Write a border bill that doesn't include things not related to our border security and it will be brought to the floor and pass.

The parts about the border are complete garbage. The money is mostly to speed up processing rather than actually securing the border. We can absolutely simplify processing of people that legally want to come to our country but if the funding doesn't first secure the border all it is from Biden is another lie.

Set up a bill for Ukraine and Israel independent of the border.

Why don't the Republicans write one? If they are so passionate about fixing this and are ready to pass it where is the bill?
 
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Yeah sometimes you have to give up a few things to get what you want. It's called compromise.

You don't control the government so you can't dictate the bills, you have to compromise.
It wasn't even a compromise. It was a complete capitulation by Democrats. It's amazing to me that Republicans killed that bill because that bill could have been the ticket to a Republican victory in November. Like the Lions though, when given the opportunity for a win they decided to give it away instead.
 
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Write a border bill that doesn't include things not related to our border security and it will be brought to the floor and pass.

The parts about the border are complete garbage. The money is mostly to speed up processing rather than actually securing the border. We can absolutely simplify processing of people that legally want to come to our country but if the funding doesn't first secure the border all it is from Biden is another lie.

Set up a bill for Ukraine and Israel independent of the border

Well, if 1) I thought the House GOP was capable of passing 3 major bills in a year I’d give that idea merit. 2) they’ve now clearly stated they want it both ways. Senate proposes a bill for both border and foreign aid, House GOP shuts it down, wants them separate. Senate passes an aid-only bill, now they say it has to be linked to border bill.

For Northern - clearly any bill that gives Dems anything is a bad bill.
 
If I gave that impression then I’m sorry. This was the conservatives in Hardee’s saying there was no reason to kick them out.
This is similar to how people view public education. A significant majority of Americans believe that our schools are failing. A significant majority also believe that their local school is doing well.

Many Americans are leery of immigrants because of the supposed threats that they pose. But those same people that actually know immigrants in their community believe that their local immigrants are good, hard-working people.
 

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How phuquin’ much more serious can the Dems get for you and yours, you phuquin’Trymp hack! Last week tge Dens offered you guys everything you wanted, but Generalissimo Trump pulled you guys back…
Northern, you and your Putin cum-swilling buddies in Congress need to just fess up and admit you want Putin to win. That phuquin’ Speaker is a bigger joke and a bigger tool the MTG.
 
If the US Senate really wants to fund Ukraine, strip out all the BS slush funding. The bill will be half the $98B.

Biden's arguments are BS, making it sound like this is free money promoting manufacturing in the US. Jeesh they think people are stupid.
 
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If the US Senate really wants to fund Ukraine, strip out all the BS slush funding. The bill will be half the $98B.

Biden's arguments are BS, making it sound like this is free money promoting manufacturing in the US. Jeesh they think people are stupid.

How much do you believe of the first $100B went to US companies? 10% 50% 90%?
 
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If the US Senate really wants to fund Ukraine, strip out all the BS slush funding. The bill will be half the $98B.

Biden's arguments are BS, making it sound like this is free money promoting manufacturing in the US. Jeesh they think people are stupid.
And you’re okay with the GOP moving the goalposts again. Give us separate bill, tie it to a border bill, now we want a separate bill, no actually we want it tied to the border.
 
If the US Senate really wants to fund Ukraine, strip out all the BS slush funding. The bill will be half the $98B.

Biden's arguments are BS, making it sound like this is free money promoting manufacturing in the US. Jeesh they think people are stupid.
Not to mention all the little time bombs they inserted into this garbage bill. All so they can posture and say the Republicans don't want border security.
 
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