Looks like Satanists are "Feeling the Bern"
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Certainly beats maniacs that think God talks to them or the Cruz camp.
Those "maniacs" you speak of don't perform ritualistic sacrifices of animals and yes humans...you are as big of a moron as anyone I have encountered here. You are a disgrace to your children...if you indeed have any.
As I have told you before you do not get to determine who is a moron, stupid, or an idiot. Satanists are pretty foolish too for playing pretend.
You are laughed at by the left and embarrass the right. But then, you are forgiven, so all is good.
I was going to say Jews don't believe in Satan. Then I remembered neither do satanists, both of which I find so weird.
I don't think so. I think the devil and hell is a Christian invention. And I get how that's sort of odd as it seems very OT in concept, but it's not. But you know what is even more screwed up? Satanists of the main branch don't even believe in him. Doesn't that blow your mind?
It is totally a Catholic invention. The Protestants followed suit. It's interesting because Jesus never even identifies anything remotely like the place called Hell that Christians depict in their religion.
Where is Hell?[/QUOTE]
It is a place where there is total separation from Jesus. The actual physical place...I really don't know any more than I know where the first puff of wind originates.
It is a place where there is total separation from Jesus. The actual physical place...I really don't know any more than I know where the first puff of wind originates.
It is a place where there is total separation from Jesus. The actual physical place...I really don't know any more than I know where the first puff of wind originates.[/QUOTE]
So... where does the heat and fire and burning and torture and trident-wielding demons part come from?
A whole lot of FAIL in this thread....
Let’s take a look at what Judaism has to say about Satan. In the Genesis account of creation, we are told that G-d saw that each day was good, but on the last day it says that G-d saw that everything was VERY good. The Talmud teaches that this refers to the Evil inclination, which it equates with the Satan. Why is this good? It is the Evil inclination that provides our passions and desires, it is the evil inclination which is responsible for not only all the evil that transpires in this world, but also for all the good. For if we did not have passions, appetites and desires, we would also have no motivation and we would accomplish very little, either good or bad in this life.
If you look at the use of Satan in the Hebrew bible, you find that as a concept, it is much more about an experience than a person, an experience where G-d has put a roadblock in front of us. This is Satan, this is an adversary. So why is this a good thing? Because if we were to go through life without ever experiencing these roadblocks or adversaries, obstacles in life, there would be no potential for virtue in the world. For if we were never tempted to do the things that we are not supposed to do, then not doing them would be of no value to us. It is only in coming up against a desire to do what is wrong and overcoming this that we grow as spiritual people.
This evil inclination, or Satan, provides friction. Can you imagine a world with no friction, no resistance? Think about a car, how does it go? It is the friction between the tires and the road that allow the car to make progress, to go forward. Now, to the tires the friction is not necessarily a positive thing, the friction slowly destroys the tire, and yet without the friction, the tire is worthless.
If there is no resistance to overcome, we have no environment for growth. When we come up against an obstacle, either we crash into it and fall (definitely a negative experience – the evil inclination) or you have to climb over it, and by climbing over these obstacles in life, we develop our spiritual muscles, so to speak. If we never exercise our muscles, we atrophy. So these forces in the world, these experiences, no matter how difficult or uncomfortable, are positive and important.
To reiterate, in the Jewish bible, everything was created by G-d, both good and evil and everything is under G-d’s control. Only one force, not two, whereas, in Christianity Satan is not under the control of G-d but is rather, a competing force against G-d. Christian theology makes Satan so powerful that he is given the title, “the god of this world.”
This sets up a situation in Christian theology whereby Jesus must come and accomplish something to help us get out of the difficult situation – to overcome Satan, since he is at war not only with G-d, but with us. However, Judaism teaches that what is to be overcome is not Satan, but the “satan” in our path, the obstacle which has been put there for our growth.
So, to reiterate, in Judaism Satan is an agent of G-d, who provides opportunities for us to grow, to respond to our passions and desires by producing things of value in this world and to become stronger spiritual people.
http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?p=2566
Let’s take a look at what Judaism has to say about Satan. In the Genesis account of creation, we are told that G-d saw that each day was good, but on the last day it says that G-d saw that everything was VERY good. The Talmud teaches that this refers to the Evil inclination, which it equates with the Satan. Why is this good? It is the Evil inclination that provides our passions and desires, it is the evil inclination which is responsible for not only all the evil that transpires in this world, but also for all the good. For if we did not have passions, appetites and desires, we would also have no motivation and we would accomplish very little, either good or bad in this life.
If you look at the use of Satan in the Hebrew bible, you find that as a concept, it is much more about an experience than a person, an experience where G-d has put a roadblock in front of us. This is Satan, this is an adversary. So why is this a good thing? Because if we were to go through life without ever experiencing these roadblocks or adversaries, obstacles in life, there would be no potential for virtue in the world. For if we were never tempted to do the things that we are not supposed to do, then not doing them would be of no value to us. It is only in coming up against a desire to do what is wrong and overcoming this that we grow as spiritual people.
This evil inclination, or Satan, provides friction. Can you imagine a world with no friction, no resistance? Think about a car, how does it go? It is the friction between the tires and the road that allow the car to make progress, to go forward. Now, to the tires the friction is not necessarily a positive thing, the friction slowly destroys the tire, and yet without the friction, the tire is worthless.
If there is no resistance to overcome, we have no environment for growth. When we come up against an obstacle, either we crash into it and fall (definitely a negative experience – the evil inclination) or you have to climb over it, and by climbing over these obstacles in life, we develop our spiritual muscles, so to speak. If we never exercise our muscles, we atrophy. So these forces in the world, these experiences, no matter how difficult or uncomfortable, are positive and important.
To reiterate, in the Jewish bible, everything was created by G-d, both good and evil and everything is under G-d’s control. Only one force, not two, whereas, in Christianity Satan is not under the control of G-d but is rather, a competing force against G-d. Christian theology makes Satan so powerful that he is given the title, “the god of this world.”
This sets up a situation in Christian theology whereby Jesus must come and accomplish something to help us get out of the difficult situation – to overcome Satan, since he is at war not only with G-d, but with us. However, Judaism teaches that what is to be overcome is not Satan, but the “satan” in our path, the obstacle which has been put there for our growth.
So, to reiterate, in Judaism Satan is an agent of G-d, who provides opportunities for us to grow, to respond to our passions and desires by producing things of value in this world and to become stronger spiritual people.
http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?p=2566
That's fascinating to me. Half the cosmology 2 billion people order their lives by is just made up and mostly the product of some literary poems.
So... where does the heat and fire and burning and torture and trident-wielding demons part come from?[/QUOTE]
Your fevered imagination? Hell is a place of spiritual torment...apart from the glory of Heaven and Christ...fire and brimstone are optional.
Your fevered imagination? Hell is a place of spiritual torment...apart from the glory of Heaven and Christ...fire and brimstone are optional.[/QUOTE]
Okay... you seemed pretty literal about the temperature and presence of fire in the beginning of the thread. If there's no Satan then why are you worried about Satanists?
Okay... you seemed pretty literal about the temperature and presence of fire in the beginning of the thread. If there's no Satan then why are you worried about Satanists?[/QUOTE]
Same reason faithful people have a problem with Atheists?
Same reason faithful people have a problem with Atheists?[/QUOTE]
They don't pose any kind of threat to either, or each other.
I know. Just saying that people in general have a problem being tolerant of others who are different from themselves.
Liberals are the worsts because they pretend they're above the fray (while bagging on faithful people all the time -- but that's somehow different).
Liberals are the worsts because they pretend they're above the fray (while bagging on faithful people all the time -- but that's somehow different).
