There hasn't been a lack of recruiting. They have filled all scholarships. Many are dissatisfied with the results, but there certainly hasn't been a lack of it. As many have stated before, attrition, especially at RB, is the biggest detriment they have battled.Originally posted by makeachange:
..long season...CJB could see an injury here with unproven line...recruiting or lack of recruiting[/B] is showing it's face.
This is the most ugly depth chart I have seen since 2000.
..and without a top notch punter...long season.
Mark Stoops...better find your suitcases.
Originally posted by BuddyRydell:
There hasn't been a lack of recruiting. They have filled all scholarships. Many are dissatisfied with the results, but there certainly hasn't been a lack of it. As many have stated before, attrition, especially at RB, is the biggest detriment they have battled.is showing it's face.
This is the most ugly depth chart I have seen since 2000.
..and without a top notch punter...long season.
Mark Stoops...better find your suitcases.
Mark Stoops can leave his suitcases alone, he's not coming here. What has he done that we'd want him?[/B]
Originally posted by dawgs_04:
Originally posted by BuddyRydell:
There hasn't been a lack of recruiting. They have filled all scholarships. Many are dissatisfied with the results, but there certainly hasn't been a lack of it. As many have stated before, attrition, especially at RB, is the biggest detriment they have battled.is showing it's face.
This is the most ugly depth chart I have seen since 2000.
..and without a top notch punter...long season.
Mark Stoops...better find your suitcases.
Mark Stoops can leave his suitcases alone, he's not coming here. What has he done that we'd want him?[/B]
DE, LB, and OTs are a bigger concern than RB. Just seems unbelievable that the cupboard could be so bare in these areas. It's a recruiting failure. Don't try to sugar coat it.
And I'll be the first person to blame Fran if he doesn't have a player other than Woodbury to play the post next year. A huge need and can't find a single player? C'mon man
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The cupboard is not bare mi amigo. Let's take a look at one area:
Everyone was overly concerned and thought the cupboard was bare when they had little faith in Morris's development and that he was going to be flanked by a converted RB and a converted Safety (Hitchens, Kirksey), both of whom were unproven and considered MAC level recruits by the 'star' crowd when they arrived. Boy, they were wrong, as is the norm.
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Amazing how short some peoples memories are and how easily they lose faith in the ability of this staff to develop players. These young LB's just had to play too early in their development due to 'attrition' (injuries and defections, do the research) but gained valuable experience, and I can confidently say that this group coming up (Jewell, Neimann, Bower, and Mends) are as talented as about any group prior. First, they have speed to burn. Jewell is faster than Morris and Angerer and arguably better at the same point in their development. Neimann is faster than Greenway and Edds and has their size and appears to have their instincts (always helps when your father is a DC). If he stays healthy and continues to improve his 'reads' and technique, he is going to be special. Bank it. I'm not 'sold' on Bower yet (may have been out of position last year, they have moved him, and not quite ready to perform consistantly, but at worst he provides experienced depth), but Mends is about a carbon copy of Hitchens, size and speed wise. Plus a healthy Perry may start in front of one of these young men. The LB cupboard is not 'bare' people and the sky is not falling. I'm excited about this group. Listen, watch, learn and enjoy mes' amis.
The 'live by the ratings' brethren look at our recruits every year and complain and appear to spend inordinate amounts of time freting over these matters. It's appears to be all they know. It seems terribly sad that this sect can be so miserable about young athletes before they ever step onto the field. Crazy?
To play devils advocate on the LB who I do think will be good eventually just go thrown to the wolves too early. Which means we have had a lot of misses the last couple of years after we brought in Morris, Kirksey and Hitchens at the position and it really bite Iowa in the butt last year. Either they weren't as good and passed on depth chart (ex cole fischer) or left the team like Spearman. I don't think some people don't think these guys can't develop but it is the fact that they are 2 were starting as freshamn and other played some last year as a true freshman as a backup LB. Plus to who we beat out to get the players Bower (walk on), Jewell (last minute offer over UNI). Niemann (NIU).Originally posted by BuddyRydell:
Originally posted by dawgs_04:
Originally posted by BuddyRydell:
There hasn't been a lack of recruiting. They have filled all scholarships. Many are dissatisfied with the results, but there certainly hasn't been a lack of it. As many have stated before, attrition, especially at RB, is the biggest detriment they have battled.is showing it's face.
This is the most ugly depth chart I have seen since 2000.
..and without a top notch punter...long season.
Mark Stoops...better find your suitcases.
Mark Stoops can leave his suitcases alone, he's not coming here. What has he done that we'd want him?[/B]
DE, LB, and OTs are a bigger concern than RB. Just seems unbelievable that the cupboard could be so bare in these areas. It's a recruiting failure. Don't try to sugar coat it.
And I'll be the first person to blame Fran if he doesn't have a player other than Woodbury to play the post next year. A huge need and can't find a single player? C'mon man
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The cupboard is not bare mi amigo. Let's take a look at one area:
Everyone was overly concerned and thought the cupboard was bare when they had little faith in Morris's development and that he was going to be flanked by a converted RB and a converted Safety (Hitchens, Kirksey), both of whom were unproven and considered MAC level recruits by the 'star' crowd when they arrived. Boy, they were wrong, as is the norm.
.
Amazing how short some peoples memories are and how easily they lose faith in the ability of this staff to develop players. These young LB's just had to play too early in their development due to 'attrition' (injuries and defections, do the research) but gained valuable experience, and I can confidently say that this group coming up (Jewell, Neimann, Bower, and Mends) are as talented as about any group prior. First, they have speed to burn. Jewell is faster than Morris and Angerer and arguably better at the same point in their development. Neimann is faster than Greenway and Edds and has their size and appears to have their instincts (always helps when your father is a DC). If he stays healthy and continues to improve his 'reads' and technique, he is going to be special. Bank it. I'm not 'sold' on Bower yet (may have been out of position last year, they have moved him, and not quite ready to perform consistantly, but at worst he provides experienced depth), but Mends is about a carbon copy of Hitchens, size and speed wise. Plus a healthy Perry may start in front of one of these young men. The LB cupboard is not 'bare' people and the sky is not falling. I'm excited about this group. Listen, watch, learn and enjoy mes' amis.
The 'live by the ratings' brethren look at our recruits every year and complain and appear to spend inordinate amounts of time freting over these matters. It's appears to be all they know. It seems terribly sad that this sect can be so miserable about young athletes before they ever step onto the field. Crazy?
I don't know what you mean by 'misses'? Who did they recruit that just wasn't good, so never played? That's why I suggested that people do research.Originally posted by iahawkeyes17:
To play devils advocate on the LB who I do think will be good eventually just go thrown to the wolves too early. Which means we have had a lot of misses the last couple of years after we brought in Morris, Kirksey and Hitchens at the position and it really bite Iowa in the butt last year. Either they weren't as good and passed on depth chart (ex cole fischer) or left the team like Spearman. I don't think some people don't think these guys can't develop but it is the fact that they are 2 were starting as freshamn and other played some last year as a true freshman as a backup LB. Plus to who we beat out to get the players Bower (walk on), Jewell (last minute offer over UNI). Niemann (NIU).Originally posted by BuddyRydell:
Originally posted by dawgs_04:
Originally posted by BuddyRydell:
There hasn't been a lack of recruiting. They have filled all scholarships. Many are dissatisfied with the results, but there certainly hasn't been a lack of it. As many have stated before, attrition, especially at RB, is the biggest detriment they have battled.is showing it's face.
This is the most ugly depth chart I have seen since 2000.
..and without a top notch punter...long season.
Mark Stoops...better find your suitcases.
Mark Stoops can leave his suitcases alone, he's not coming here. What has he done that we'd want him?[/B]
DE, LB, and OTs are a bigger concern than RB. Just seems unbelievable that the cupboard could be so bare in these areas. It's a recruiting failure. Don't try to sugar coat it.
And I'll be the first person to blame Fran if he doesn't have a player other than Woodbury to play the post next year. A huge need and can't find a single player? C'mon man
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The cupboard is not bare mi amigo. Let's take a look at one area:
Everyone was overly concerned and thought the cupboard was bare when they had little faith in Morris's development and that he was going to be flanked by a converted RB and a converted Safety (Hitchens, Kirksey), both of whom were unproven and considered MAC level recruits by the 'star' crowd when they arrived. Boy, they were wrong, as is the norm.
.
Amazing how short some peoples memories are and how easily they lose faith in the ability of this staff to develop players. These young LB's just had to play too early in their development due to 'attrition' (injuries and defections, do the research) but gained valuable experience, and I can confidently say that this group coming up (Jewell, Neimann, Bower, and Mends) are as talented as about any group prior. First, they have speed to burn. Jewell is faster than Morris and Angerer and arguably better at the same point in their development. Neimann is faster than Greenway and Edds and has their size and appears to have their instincts (always helps when your father is a DC). If he stays healthy and continues to improve his 'reads' and technique, he is going to be special. Bank it. I'm not 'sold' on Bower yet (may have been out of position last year, they have moved him, and not quite ready to perform consistantly, but at worst he provides experienced depth), but Mends is about a carbon copy of Hitchens, size and speed wise. Plus a healthy Perry may start in front of one of these young men. The LB cupboard is not 'bare' people and the sky is not falling. I'm excited about this group. Listen, watch, learn and enjoy mes' amis.
The 'live by the ratings' brethren look at our recruits every year and complain and appear to spend inordinate amounts of time freting over these matters. It's appears to be all they know. It seems terribly sad that this sect can be so miserable about young athletes before they ever step onto the field. Crazy?
I wasn't defending or making excuses for anyone. Someone misstated the state of the program, specifically the LB's, and I was just clarifying the situation. I personally think the LB and DE recruiting slipped for a few years and it has been the most glaring area to me. I am not going to pretend to know why. Unless you're on the inside, you are not going to know.
What's hard to understand is that anyone that shows a shred of optimism is immediately labeled a KF apologist or a lover of mediocrity.
Did I say I didn't want a new coach? I'm totally ready for a change, and it can't come to soon.
Well, Kilroy will label you as a "JR hater" if you say anything good about CJ.Originally posted by Hawk_4shur:
Did I say I didn't want a new coach? I'm totally ready for a change, and it can't come to soon.
In the meantime, is it ok to cheer for the team? Is it ok to hope they wins some games and their players do well? Is it too much to ask that SOMETHING about Iowa football could be fun?
What am I saying? Of course not. Because if I were to say, "I'm excited to see CJ run the show next year and not have to look over his shoulder", I will almost certainly be labeled someone with a loser mentality that is perfectly comfortable with the status quo.
So, please, continue your quest to convince all fans that everything sucks.
Oh, and Have a Nice Day!
I don't believe kilroy, 2222, whatever he goes by, is on here anymore. Don't provoke him or even evoke himOriginally posted by TankHawk:
Well, Kilroy will label you as a "JR hater" if you say anything good about CJ.Originally posted by Hawk_4shur:
Did I say I didn't want a new coach? I'm totally ready for a change, and it can't come to soon.
In the meantime, is it ok to cheer for the team? Is it ok to hope they wins some games and their players do well? Is it too much to ask that SOMETHING about Iowa football could be fun?
What am I saying? Of course not. Because if I were to say, "I'm excited to see CJ run the show next year and not have to look over his shoulder", I will almost certainly be labeled someone with a loser mentality that is perfectly comfortable with the status quo.
So, please, continue your quest to convince all fans that everything sucks.
Oh, and Have a Nice Day!
Yeah, we were winning Big Ten games with Sun Belt level recruits. Now we're upgrading. All part of the process.
I found that fairly humerous. What is the next level in the process, do tell? Big East level recruits or ACC?Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
Yeah, we were winning Big Ten games with Sun Belt level recruits. Now we're upgrading. All part of the process.
Won't that really chap nebby's butt, when they get whooped by a bunch of kids from the island of misfit toys!
But somebody above actually thinks this is better than when KF "broke through", Lol.. I take it that guy has no clue, though.. I mean guys like Russell,Steinbach,Roth,Lewis(Jermelle and George), Lightfoot,Sobieski,Cole,Hodge,Hinkel,Brown,Chandler,Grieving,Hodges,Clauss,Robinson, etc... Any idiot that thinks these guys only had MAC level/Less than D-1 offers, obviously has zero clue what they are talking about....
