Marine veteran to be charged by Manhattan DA in Jordan Neely subway chokehold death

[NorthernHawkeye]

Marine veteran to be charged by Manhattan DA in Jordan Neely subway chokehold death

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is charging Marine veteran Daniel Penny with manslaughter in the second degree in the NYC subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely.

www.foxnews.com

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Semi-surprised.

 

[mnole03]

No chance on manslaughter. Bragg is overcharging for political reasons. He’s going to get embarrassed worse than the Bodega case.

 

[gamedayron01]

Marine veteran to be charged by Manhattan DA in Jordan Neely subway chokehold death

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is charging Marine veteran Daniel Penny with manslaughter in the second degree in the NYC subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely.

www.foxnews.com

Good. **** him.

 

[HawkeyeHitman]

This is bullshit.

 

[gamedayron01]

This is bullshit.

**** that marine.

 

[ericram]

Dude murdered someone. This should surprise no one.

 

[gamedayron01]

Dude murdered someone. This should surprise no one.

The MAGA crowd loves that he murdered a black kid. It give them the feels.

 

[JupiterHawk]

JFC

 

[hydro2.0]

Dude murdered someone. This should surprise no one.

You clearly are a dumb person

 

[Jerome Silberman]

JFC

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Attempting to stop a train with flesh seems unwise.

 

[ericram]

You clearly are a dumb person

So he didn't murder the homeless black guy who liked to dance like Michael Jackson? Enlighten me smart person.

 

[isufan21]

I wonder if by charging him with second degree manslaughter, if that will prevent them for asking for the lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter.

If so they will probably have a tough time getting a conviction.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

There was no reason to use lethal force here.

 

[IowaPackFan]

I’m curious what Neely was saying that let to the altercation. The mental episode part is completely irrelevant in this situation.

 

[mustang_hawk]

I’m curious what Neely was saying that let to the altercation. The mental episode part is completely irrelevant in this situation.

I can’t think of anything that Neely or anyone else could say that would just being choked to death.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Fifteen minutes in a choke? JFC. With numerous people on the scene to deal with what I assume is an unarmed person? This went way, way beyond what was necessary. Disgusting.

 

[IowaPackFan]

I can’t think of anything that Neely or anyone else could say that would just being choked to death.

I gonna kill you.
You all gonna die.
Give me money or I’m gonna stab you.
Go Big Red.

All are justifiable.

 

[4ohs]

So…based upon your title and description of the situation…this man should be exonerated based solely upon the fact that he is a marine?

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

I gonna kill you.
You all gonna die.
Give me money or I’m gonna stab you.
Go Big Red.

All are justifiable.

No.

 

[mnole03]

I wonder if by charging him with second degree manslaughter, if that will prevent them for asking for the lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter.

If so they will probably have a tough time getting a conviction.

The lesser charge, Negligent Homicide, is included because it includes all of the same elements.

 

[hawkedoff]

He ended a man's life. While I at this moment would likely find him not guilty I don't think we should ever as a society get comfortable with not prosecuting death at the hands of another person. There are of course exceptions but when death occurs because another human being took an action we need to ensure the dead person is represented as well. This is what a jury of peers or about.

 

[gamedayron01]

You clearly are a dumb person

Look in the mirror.

 

[Brian_Fantana]

So he didn't murder the homeless black guy who liked to dance like Michael Jackson? Enlighten me smart person.

Well, even the prosecutor, or grand jury if it went that route, doesn’t agree with you, so there’s that.

 

[EagleHawk]

I’ve seen this before. Marine kills someone in an altercation and goes to jail. It doesn’t end well. Vegas better buckle up.

 

[NoleinATL]

Since the coroner ruled the death a homicide, this seemed inevitable, so not surprised.

Question about charges:
In the video, two men restrained Neely (let's not call him a kid) for some duration during the fatal chokehold. Considering these two men chose to restrain Neely while Perry was applying the fatal chokehold, are they complicit in the death? If they had not introduced themselves into the struggle, it seems plausible that Neely may have been able to free an arm or leg, making the chokehold painful but not fatal.
So are the two men complicit, and should they also be charged?

 

[ericram]

Well, even the prosecutor, or grand jury if it went that route, doesn’t agree with you, so there’s that.

So basically you have no idea what you are talking about. Got it smart guy.

 

[funksouljon]

Since the coroner ruled the death a homicide, this seemed inevitable, so not surprised.

Question about charges:
In the video, two men restrained Neely (let's not call him a kid) for some duration during the fatal chokehold. Considering these two men chose to restrain Neely while Perry was applying the fatal chokehold, are they complicit in the death? If they had not introduced themselves into the struggle, it seems plausible that Neely may have been able to free an arm or leg, making the chokehold painful but not fatal.
So are the two men complicit, and should they also be charged?

There was talk about that the other day, yes. I suspect those charges are being debated, but the environment required Perry be charged first.

 

[SIXERS24]

The dude had been arrested 44 times this is on the piece of shit DA Bragg and his predecessors for not getting him to a mental hospital!

This is a super liberal state I am sure they have spent tons of money on Mental Health

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

The dude had been arrested 44 times this is on the piece of shit DA Bragg and his predecessors for not getting him to a mental hospital!

This is a super liberal state I am sure they have spent tons of money on Mental Health

No, no, no.... He was just a harmless Michael Jackson impersonator.

 

[Camhawk2012]

Let hin rot in jail and become the wife of someone named Bo

 

[EasyHawk]

Hopefully if anything, charges are vastly reduced.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

This isn't IMO going to be an easy case. You have questions about what was reasonable given his actions and even if the initial chokehold was reasonable did he maintain it for an unreasonable length of time.

That said I feel like Bragg is extremely hostile to self defense, his attempts to charge the Bodega owner which in my view was obvious and clear self defense sort of left a bad taste in my mouth. So I don't entirely trust his objectivity on this.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

The dude had been arrested 44 times this is on the piece of shit DA Bragg and his predecessors for not getting him to a mental hospital!

This is a super liberal state I am sure they have spent tons of money on Mental Health

How about a combination of incarceration and mental health?

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Going forward, don’t ever expect anyone to help a person being accosted, abused or assaulted. Just expect people to stand there and film it. It is a bad situation all around.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Going forward, don’t ever expect anyone to help a person being accosted, abused or assaulted. Just expect people to stand there and film it. It is a bad situation all around.

Except not really.

But spot on take other wise

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Except not really.

But spot on take other wise

You are sure of that aren’t you?

 

[Titanhawk2]

I support the guy for taking action, but the outcome certainly has to be dealt with

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Except not really.

But spot on take other wise

Depends on where they live. With Bragg this aggressive in NY, who would go out there and stand up for someone else knowing that Bragg will just charge them with a crime for it. Especially if the left can make it into a racial thing.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Hopefully the defense team can root out radical leftists during jury selection. Given the location its sure to be an uphill battle but it can be done. Just need a few reasonable people who can hold the line and prevent another polticial prosecution.

I see they did their predictable perp walk. How ridiculous. That should be outlawed.