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Matt Nelson Injury

Strange that some question if M. Nelson can play DE but think he would contribute immediately at OT. I guess shows you his athleticism. He probably could play OT but has a lot of value on the defensive side of the ball. Don't rule out the fact coaches want to see him at DT. Glad we have him!
Matt is solid I just wish he was more aggressive. Play with an attitude young man! Keep in mind he has 2 more full years to become even more entrenched on the d-line find his niche, hopefully have that aha moment and start tearing up offensive lines game in and game out.

I'm hoping AJ's set the tone attitude will rub off on the other linemen and bring our d-line play out of its pedestrian lull of the past few years. Let's see who else emerges and contributes.
 
I'd agree on the returning DE's. I thought Hesse played well after he got close to 100% from his early season quad or hammy. Also thought A Nelson showed a lot of upside for his first shot at PT. Think this could develop into Iowa's best group of DE's in a long time.
It's interesting to think about "best" DE groups at Iowa. Oddly enough, it's not uncommon for us to have good talent on the edges ... just we don't always have much depth. Even among some of our best groups, I don't know if I recall many occasions when we had more than a reliable rotation of 3 really high caliber guys.
'01: Cole, Kampman, Hodges, and D. Robinson (Robinson was a freshman)
'02: Babs, Hodges, and Roth (and maybe D. Robinson)
'07: Mattison, Iwebema, Ballard, and Clayborn (the latter 2 were both freshmen)
'10: Clayborn, Ballard, and Binns
'17: Hesse, A. Nelson, M. Nelson, and A.J. Epenesa
 
Matt is solid I just wish he was more aggressive. Play with an attitude young man! Keep in mind he has 2 more full years to become even more entrenched on the d-line find his niche, hopefully have that aha moment and start tearing up offensive lines game in and game out.

I'm hoping AJ's set the tone attitude will rub off on the other linemen and bring our d-line play out of its pedestrian lull of the past few years. Let's see who else emerges and contributes.
The problem with the DEs early in the season (of '16) was that Hesse was our most consistent DE ... however, he was dinged. The unit was so concerned with pass rush that they weren't disciplined enough as it related to maintaining contain and setting the edge. That's an understated contributor to why Iowa's run D was mediocre for more than half the season.

Not surprisingly, in the second half of the season, they improved and lost contain less frequently ... but, as a trade-off, the pass-rush from the DEs also dropped off. That's something that Ott learned through his career ... to remain disciplined but still to continuously collapse the pocket and keep himself in plays. The '16 DEs could muster a pass-rush or control the edge ... but they had a problem doing both.

I distinctly remember a quote of Matt Roth's after the '04 bowl game ... where he essentially stated that his disruption numbers (sacks and TFL numbers) could have been even more impressive ... but Iowa's scheme forced him to be very controlled with his penetration. It's good that he was disciplined and did his job ... because that was a big reason why the '04 D was so good.
 
Insight much appreciated. I remember some talk of this near the end of the season. I would much rather have the ends maintaining the edge than getting sealed and run around in circles. With experience we may get ends learning ott's technique and getting some more direct pressure on qb's while keeping contain.

Finding 2 stalwarts similar to the Clayborn Ballard years may free up a third rusher to scavenge the remains of their havoc. Aj will be one of them. Or maybe we'll find more than 2 guys like the aforementioned babineux, hodges, Roth, Robinson years.
 
Lattimore will be starting at DT, so you will be seeing him for sure.
I think he'll certainly be in the rotation. Bazata is a given, but don't rule out Huellet. The coaches were high on him last year, and if he hadn't gotten injured, I think they would have redshirted Lattimore last season. Lattimore is an interested looking prospect though.
 
Haven't seen this listed yet but maybe I missed it. Matt Nelson broken foot? Anyone?

A relative of mine was at the coaches clinics at the U on Friday 3/24 and Saturday 3/25 and Matt Nelson and Park Hesse were in gear and full go. So believe false rumor.
 
Like I said, I had no idea if this was true about the broken foot but the info did come from a source very close to the program but maybe he had something mixed up. Sorry if I mislead everyone, again, I was more asking if anyone else had heard this then reporting it as truth.
 
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And mark Bortz become an All-Pro O-tackle for Chicago but that isn't even closee to the same thing we have here.
Good point. But I think Bortz played guard. I think Covert and Van Horne were at tackle. Some guy whose name starts with a "T" was at the other guard. Hilgy, of course, was the anchor!!
 
Good point. But I think Bortz played guard. I think Covert and Van Horne were at tackle. Some guy whose name starts with a "T" was at the other guard. Hilgy, of course, was the anchor!!


Yes you are right he was a guard...lol
 
Good point. But I think Bortz played guard. I think Covert and Van Horne were at tackle. Some guy whose name starts with a "T" was at the other guard. Hilgy, of course, was the anchor!!
Tom Thayer. Can still name that entire starting line-up. Would struggle to name more than 5-6 off last year's team.
 
Tom Thayer. Can still name that entire starting line-up. Would struggle to name more than 5-6 off last year's team.
There is something critically wrong with my brain. I can essentially name the entire starting line-up from memory of every Hawk squad starting from the '04 season (potentially the '02 and '03 seasons too).
 
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Tom Thayer. Can still name that entire starting line-up. Would struggle to name more than 5-6 off last year's team.
I thought Thayer was the TE? I was pretty young, so my memory is not to be trusted...I bet I'm thinking of Thornton, he may not have been playing yet.
 
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Tom Andrews, Mark Bortz, Tom Thayer,Keith Van Horne, Jay Hilgenberg, Kurt Becker, Andy Frederick, Stefan Humphries, Jimbo Covert
 
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If you have a pretty good source, you are a step ahead of everyone else.

I'm tired of injuries showing up as a question. Either state an injury, or keep it to yourself.
"Either state an injury, or keep it to yourself." Is this a command? Guessing it's a suggestion.
 
Like I said, I had no idea if this was true about the broken foot but the info did come from a source very close to the program but maybe he had something mixed up. Sorry if I mislead everyone, again, I was more asking if anyone else had heard this then reporting it as truth.

Thanks for sharing. Iowa's spring interior linemen will be very young and getting a lot of reps. Might not turn out to be a bad thing as long as the others come back healthy.
 
Like I said, I had no idea if this was true about the broken foot but the info did come from a source very close to the program but maybe he had something mixed up. Sorry if I mislead everyone, again, I was more asking if anyone else had heard this then reporting it as truth.
Injury confirmed this morning.
 
Stood next to family waiting for the train 2 years ago, holy cow everyone in that family is at least 6'4, including Mom. Brothers looked to be 6'5, 6'6 as early teens but very skinny. Matt has filled out, wonder about the football pedigree on other brothers?
 
Well the coaches clearly think he is the third best DE currently on the roster. Add that to the fact that they have told Epenesa that he can play wherever he wants and that he is going to play right away, it doesn't seem far fetched that they agree with that statement.
Well to keep that in prospective he is not the first one they told that to while recruiting them but it doesn't always work out that way, yes he is a stud in high school and I don't dispute that I think he is going to do great, this is a different stage period, so as good as AJ may be it's all about what happens in fall camp, how things go thereafter...it's a little different going from playing with seniors in high school and seniors in college! Whatever is best for the team I just hope that no one gets tunnel vision on one or 2 particular players... we definitely got other talent! I also think that we have different players that bring a different skill set at that position we should allow them to showcase those even if your starters can't do it I think they don't open good Oportinities for different plays for some of the younger guys because starters may not be able to do something but yeah
 
As for AJ I have no doubt he'll be given every opportunity to play but Iowa has a lot of athletic long red shirt freshman that I expect to push for playing time and I'm not willing to hand AJ Epenesa an expanded role just because he was a five star recruit.... if it turns out he's a dominant force on the line then super for us but I'm pretty excited about the future of a bunch of these kids.

Absolutely well said yes I think he will come in getting a lot of attention once he gets there and you can believe all those boys at that position are going To be battling and I say great!! being around talent helps grow and bring out the drive! At the same time instead of flat out saying he is getting this or that let them all do their best make sure they ALL get equal reps to showcase their growth and skill set not just focus on a few of them!! Hardest paet for the guys lower on the depth chart is they don't get the same amount of reps to show out! All personal feelings aside, no favorites let them all get their shot to Go out and earn it.
 
Well looks as though I did have at least somewhat good information last week.
You did, I knew you were right and what happened but I think it was more interesting to see the responders. Never apologize until you are proven wrong !! You had it they just weren't releasing it yet and really havnt spoken on the depth of the injury.
 
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Lol you know what they say about opinions,.... im gonna keep it clean haha, we all have our own, we can't all think the same it would be a pretty boring world.
The implication isn't that there is only one perspective. However, the merits of an opinion are ultimately judged by the coherence and cogency of the arguments supporting it.
 
Regardless of who plays where, I think we can all agree that it is a good problem to have multiple DEs who appear ready to contribute. Hopefully the coaches will be able to rotate guys in more frequently than they have in the past to keep everyone fresh. A few of the guys (M. Nelson and Epenesa) appear to have enough versatility to play some snaps inside too, where our depth is pretty much non-existent.
 
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Absolutely well said yes I think he will come in getting a lot of attention once he gets there and you can believe all those boys at that position are going To be battling and I say great!! being around talent helps grow and bring out the drive! At the same time instead of flat out saying he is getting this or that let them all do their best make sure they ALL get equal reps to showcase their growth and skill set not just focus on a few of them!! Hardest paet for the guys lower on the depth chart is they don't get the same amount of reps to show out! All personal feelings aside, no favorites let them all get their shot to Go out and earn it.
Sounds like someone is looking for the FAIR. The FAIR comes once a year on the Eastside of Des Moines, after that don't look for FAIR. They "ALL" will not be getting "EQUAL" reps, BIG time college football doesn't work that way.
 
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Sounds like someone is looking for the FAIR. The FAIR comes once a year on the Eastside of Des Moines, after that don't look for FAIR. They "ALL" will not be getting "EQUAL" reps, BIG time college football doesn't work that way.
Once a year ... if that is all they look at all then that might be why we are not having a lot of seasons like 15/16 and missing opportunity , it's not about the FAIR it is about continuing to do what is best for the team period. These guys continually grow and change they don't all develop at the same time once a year, keeping eyes open and not getting tunnel vision can make a world of difference. But you honestly think they all get equal reps prior to then in any of he positions? interesting. What I like is when there is no tunnel vision and we see a non starter hit the field and make a big play and we are all like ....woahhh where did that come from?!! I will be FAIR and say 90% of The time they have the right person playing a position.
 
The younger and less experienced players get a lot more reps during spring camp, fall 2-a-days, and bowl prep. It's really during those occasions when guys can really jump off the map and really place themselves strategically to see more playing time.

If they can work themselves up that high ... then that positions themselves to continue to garner the attention of the coaches during the season. If a guy wants to have upward mobility during the season, they really MUST be on the cusp of the 1st/2nd team. The only counter-example to this situation is if injuries strike ... that can help some guys rise faster than usual.

The problem here is simply manpower and time. During the season, the coaches really must focus on prepping the guys who are certain to play in the game. The need to take the time to devise a suitable game-plan and then install the plan to those who will play within the span of a week. Hence, it's untenable for lower string guys to get more attention during that time-frame.
 
Do you feel silly now?

Silly for what? He moved inside because he was, in fact, no better than 4th best DE. He's done pretty darn good considering his height at defensive tackle, but no NFL or individual awards talk yet for his play. I still think he'd been a Great OT! I do think it's silly that you pull up a post from over a year ago, calling me out for what exactly???
 
That blows, he was going to start and be a big part of our success. Hope he comes back better than ever.

I'm a loser, forgot he got hurt before.
 
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Silly for what? He moved inside because he was, in fact, no better than 4th best DE. He's done pretty darn good considering his height at defensive tackle, but no NFL or individual awards talk yet for his play. I still think he'd been a Great OT! I do think it's silly that you pull up a post from over a year ago, calling me out for what exactly???
How do you figure ... do you not recall how productive he was for us in '16? Given what he did in '16 compared with what I saw from Epenesa ... I would say that there were trade-offs ... but that Matt still would have been our 3rd best DE. It's true that Epenesa still provided a more explosive option on pass-rushing situations ... but he was also a partial liability on running downs.

Regardless, it simply doesn't matter ... because, through the season Matt developed into being our 2nd best DT ... and he'll be our BEST DT in '18. Thus, that would suggest to me that Matt made the right move ... both for himself and for the team. If you rewatch the BC game ... the announcers continued to rave at what Nelson and Nelson brought from the left side of the D. They conjectured that that was part of why BC was running so often to the right ... because they figured the could have better luck running to that side (even though the strength of their OL was more on the other side).
 
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How do you figure ... do you not recall how productive he was for us in '16? Given what he did in '16 compared with what I saw from Epenesa ... I would say that there were trade-offs ... but that Matt still would have been our 3rd best DE. It's true that Epenesa still provided a more explosive option on pass-rushing situations ... but he was also a partial liability on running downs.

Regardless, it simply doesn't matter ... because, through the season Matt developed into being our 2nd best DT ... and he'll be our BEST DT in '18. Thus, that would suggest to me that Matt made the right move ... both for himself and for the team. If you rewatch the BC game ... the announcers continued to rave at what Nelson and Nelson brought from the left side of the D. They conjectured that that was part of why BC was running so often to the right ... because they figured the could have better luck running to that side (even though the strength of their OL was more on the other side).

And that's fine, I'm not taking anything away from what he did do, I think he exceeded expectations and did great. That's not going to change my opinion on him being a great offensive tackle. I have absolutely nothing to feel silly for.
 
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