Matt Painter

[And1Hawk]

Read his bio. I get that he hasn't racked up Final Fours or even Elite Eights. I wish the NCAA tournament wasn't quite so weighted in people's judgment of a coach's career, but understand why it is.

Hi bio is strong. And I love how tough his teams play, year-in, year-out, regardless of record.

Cool?

He’s a solid coach is what you can say. The NCAA tourney does matter and Purdue has a long history of having fantastic teams in the B1G that bow out on the national stage within 2 rounds. Keady was the king of winning the Big Ten, losing a handful of games overall and getting a very high seed only to be bounced in round two. Why is that? Are they allowed to play ‘good defense’ in league play, but exposed in the tourney when officiating changes? I don’t know but it’s strikes me as odd they do not go deep no matter if they go undefeated in league play.

I’m a B1G supporter all the way and love it when our teams advance deep in the NCAAs so maybe this year will be different for them? One thing is certain though is this league is really down this year. When this OSU team is undefeated that says a whole lot right there about the quality of play and teams in the league. That’s a team that should be 7th or 8th in the league if it’s any good.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Without anything turning into the 90th thread about how Fran and co. suck... Painter is a great coach.

 

[Rudolph]

He’s a solid coach is what you can say. The NCAA tourney does matter and Purdue has a long history of having fantastic teams in the B1G that bow out on the national stage within 2 rounds. Keady was the king of winning the Big Ten, losing a handful of games overall and getting a very high seed only to be bounced in round two. Why is that? Are they allowed to play ‘good defense’ in league play, but exposed in the tourney when officiating changes? I don’t know but it’s strikes me as odd they do not go deep no matter if they go undefeated in league play.

I’m a B1G supporter all the way and love it when our teams advance deep in the NCAAs so maybe this year will be different for them? One thing is certain though is this league is really down this year. When this OSU team is undefeated that says a whole lot right there about the quality of play and teams in the league. That’s a team that should be 7th or 8th in the league if it’s any good.

All good. I didn't say the NCAA tourney doesn't matter. I didn't say Matt Painter was the greatest coach, and unless I'm forgetting something, I don't think anybody else is going over-the-top with Matt Painter love.

Go back and re-read my original post. Then consider this against your reaction: "I don’t dislike Painter at all but find this love fest comical."

All good. Not trying to pick a fight.

But if you say one more fvcking word I will whoop your ass, trying to tell me what I can and can't say, "He's a solid coach is what you can say" man fvck you and the presumptuous gangly stanky horse you rode in on. Punk ass.

Here, @And1Hawk, so it's clear I'm joking (I hate emojis, didn't think it would be necessary):

 

[And1Hawk]

All good. I didn't say the NCAA tourney doesn't matter. I didn't say Matt Painter was the greatest coach, and unless I'm forgetting something, I don't think anybody else is going over-the-top with Matt Painter love.

Go back and re-read my original post. Then consider this against your reaction: "I don’t dislike Painter at all but find this love fest comical."

All good. Not trying to pick a fight.

But if you say one more fvcking word I will whoop your ass, trying to tell me what I can and can't say, "He's a solid coach is what you can say" man fvck you and the presumptuous gangly stanky horse you rode in on. Punk ass.

Whatever.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

I like the guy he is a legit hall of fame coach. he has taken Purdue to several sweet 16's and is always tough in conference. He has had his ups and downs at PU, but he seems to finally have it figured out. He has gotten his recruits in the system and balance classes to be successful year in and year out.

I remember a few years back when he was on the "hot seat" supposedly because they had two bad years. I knew he would never be fired, but he def went through tough times but has rebounded.

My hope is that Fran and company can do that. I hope people can just wash this season off and look towards the future. Know that there will be some defections from this current team and it really relies on what Fran and company do in the "off-season" to replace those players. They have to scout and find the best fit for the program moving forward. Trying to run the same system might not work, maybe a change in philosophy on defense or offense would be in order.

 

[TC4THREE]

A couple of Painter critics here. A couple of notes.

1. More often than not, we've been eliminated in the tournament exactly where our seed dictated we should. Two big exceptions were VCU when they got us in second round on their way to the Final Four and Arkansas Little Rock two years ago which was a terrible loss but one that most regular tournament teams have a similar their resume over a large stretch of time.

2. Coach Painter wasn't even 40 years old when he took over at Purdue. 47 now. He had room to grow as a coach when he took the job and has done so. In fact, he continues to do so. Bo Ryan went a long time with the same rap at Wisconsin before breaking through to a Final Four.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Even in his few down years at Purdue there was always light at the end of the tunnel. Whether it was through recruiting, guys coming back from injuries or player development.....

The dude can flat out coach and more importantly, recruit.

He sure developed Mathias.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Street’s last game at Duke, CBS flashed up a stat about the leading rebounding teams in the nation. Iowa was #1 with a +14 rebounding margin. Just dominated the glass. Iowa could’ve let that missed shot bounce on the floor and still get it with how well they blocked out.

I watched a video awhile back presented by BTN, maybe even last year where Tom Dienhart sat down with Jess Settles and the two of them watched a game (I think it was against Illinois, not sure the year) together and Jess commented on different players and how they played under Tom Davis. Jess could not say enough how important rebounding was and how terrible they felt if they did not get enough rebounds as individuals. I went back to BTN and looked for the program but I couldn't find it. Do you or anyone else remember seeing the show?

Just did some more digging and I found the video.

http://btn.com/2017/02/09/facebook-live-we-watched-1996-iowa-vs-illinois-with-btns-jess-settles/

 

[Hawksfor3]

I really enjoy watching old Iowa games from Dr. Tom days

I remember Dickie V. say during one of those games, "No one uses the bounce pass better than Iowa". Man, I loved that.

 

[iahawks10]

Without anything turning into the 90th thread about how Fran and co. suck... Painter is a great coach.

Painter is a great coach who was in a similar spot as FM about at the same time too (yr 8 & 9).

 

[goodbyebobby]

A couple of Painter critics here. A couple of notes.

1. More often than not, we've been eliminated in the tournament exactly where our seed dictated we should. Two big exceptions were VCU when they got us in second round on their way to the Final Four and Arkansas Little Rock two years ago which was a terrible loss but one that most regular tournament teams have a similar their resume over a large stretch of time.

2. Coach Painter wasn't even 40 years old when he took over at Purdue. 47 now. He had room to grow as a coach when he took the job and has done so. In fact, he continues to do so. Bo Ryan went a long time with the same rap at Wisconsin before breaking through to a Final Four.

#2 is a great point. I didn't realize he's been there that long, started young. Seems to me he's grown pretty well.

 

[millhawk]

2012-2014 Matt Painter was most certainly on the hot seat. Purdue finished last in B1G one of those years.

I don’t know how close Painter was to being fired, but Painter’s seat was very warm.

This is true. He was at one point in jeopardy of losing his job. Worked his way out of it.

 

[mathboy]

Hello Hawks! I thought I could add some information about Painter here. When he went down in the BIG standings was when his recruiting went from great to mediocre.

If you look at the administration, we had a very poor president of the university start about 3 years ahead of Painter finishing last in the BIG. Why is this important? It came out later that she had cut the athletic budget for the revenue sports like FB, MBB and WBB . It was drastically slashed - specifically the recruiting budgets. Painter and his assistant could not manage to travel enough to let recruits know of Purdue's interest in them. We lost lots of recruits during that stretch, and Painter was on the hot seat.

I wonder if Fran is seeing the same kind of constraints? I urge you to look deeper than just the "fire the coach" stuff. Are you getting BIG quality recruits? Does Fran have the right assistants, and are they able to travel sufficiently?

By the way, Purdue is playing at a very high level right now. Some of us Purdue fans are just holding our breath hoping this lasts through March! I would caution you from using the Purdue game as a measure of your own program. We were extremely hot going into that game. You got a good team's best game. Not a fair measuring stick, IMHO.

 

[ISUhawk]

Agree 100%. Yet some Purdue fans wanted Painter out of there when his program slumped in his year 8.
I believe Fran will upright this ship. We have a decent amount of young talent, but Fran needs to get some Big 10 quality guards. For me, that is the mystery. Why hasn't this former recruiter for Notre Dame and coach who's taken 4 schools to the NCAA tournament not been able to recruit more athletic guards????

I believe he will!

Anyone else notice how, even up 25+ in the first half, he was coaching his ass off? He was barking out defensive assignments, exhorting his guys throughout every defensive possession. I love that.

This is a guy who is obviously coaching not just in the moment, but also in preparation for much larger goals.

Much respect for what he's built at Purdue.

 

[Rudolph]

Agree 100%. Yet some Purdue fans wanted Painter out of there when his program slumped in his year 8.
I believe Fran will upright this ship. We have a decent amount of young talent, but Fran needs to get some Big 10 quality guards. For me, that is the mystery. Why hasn't this former recruiter for Notre Dame and coach who's taken 4 schools to the NCAA tournament not been able to recruit more athletic guards????

I believe he will!

I believe Fran can right the ship — to an extent. I think Fran can get back to his previous heights at Iowa, but that's it. Fran's program, while successful in many ways, and admirable for digging Iowa out of the Lickliter hole, I believe has a very clear ceiling.

I would love to see Fran break through to a new, higher level of success at Iowa. But at this point — and this is not just about this year — I don't think it is likely.

Possible? Sure. Likely? No.

 

[Kabby]

I believe Fran can right the ship — to an extent. I think Fran can get back to his previous heights at Iowa, but that's it. Fran's program, while successful in many ways, and admirable for digging Iowa out of the Lickliter hole, I believe has a very clear ceiling.

I would love to see Fran break through to a new, higher level of success at Iowa. But at this point — and this is not just about this year — I don't think it is likely.

Possible? Sure. Likely? No.

Think you are right about this. It starts right where you have been talking about at the lack of fundamentals being enforced. I have been to Dr Tom's and Bo Ryan's practices and clinic talks. The difference between those 2 and Fran are night and day. Hope it turns around and I am wrong. Not holding out that hope at this time.

 

[ISUhawk]

Fran needs a recruiting breakthrough at point guard (s). If it doesn't happen then he will not take program to higher level. But he's due for a break. Just too long of a coaching background to not eventually catch a wave.

One other thing - It hurt losing both Williams and McCaffrey. We all know it wouldn't have made much difference against Purdue, but in the long run it hurts our chemistry and experience and our goal of moving up. Purdue starting 5 or 6 seniors is huge for them and they are much, much better than they were as sophmore and freshman.

 

[soybean]

Painter is a Purdue man. He care about the school and the BB program he inheirited from his mentor.

 

[guppy likes purdue]

Purdue fans are missing some important things

1. Keady really trashed the program at the end of his tenure so he got a boost that he raised it b

2 that painter had a hard time recruited aftre Cuonzo martin left and ended recruiting guys that caused him to loose the locker room.

3 More importantly that rule changes in the NCAA really ****ed up his defensive system and made it suck .


He if he had not not been able to adjust his defensive system and cleanse his locker room he might not of been the coach at purdue Today. Swannigan wasn't that important he made the tourney the year before he came the 2014 class the came along with octeus allowed hims to get rid of the cancer and he was smart or possibly young enough to change the way he coached D

Despite all of this Fran is looking to make the tourney what 3 times in his first 8 years Painter made 6 of his first 8 and will make 10 of his first 13. But yeah Painters resume will be hollow if he doesn't make some noise in the tourney. But fran isn't really coming that close either

 

[mathboy]

Purdue fans are missing some important things

1. Keady really trashed the program at the end of his tenure so he got a boost that he raised it b

2 that painter had a hard time recruited aftre Cuonzo martin left and ended recruiting guys that caused him to loose the locker room.

3 More importantly that rule changes in the NCAA really ****ed up his defensive system and made it suck .


He if he had not not been able to adjust his defensive system and cleanse his locker room he might not of been the coach at purdue Today. Swannigan wasn't that important he made the tourney the year before he came the 2014 class the came along with octeus allowed hims to get rid of the cancer and he was smart or possibly young enough to change the way he coached D

Despite all of this Fran is looking to make the tourney what 3 times in his first 8 years Painter made 6 of his first 8 and will make 10 of his first 13. But yeah Painters resume will be hollow if he doesn't make some noise in the tourney. But fran isn't really coming that close either

Since I stepped into this thread, I may as well continue. I am not here to troll you guys. Just want to add to the general information. I don't have an opinion about Fran one way or the other, except to say that in the past, your arena has been a tough place to win.

1. Keady did have some down years, but some of that was due to some key injuries.

2. I can't really disagree that recruiting took a hit without Zo. However, that was about the same time as when the budget restrictions hit. If you think about it, Purdue went down simultaneously in Football, and Women's basketball at the same period. It had little to do with the coaches and was more losing assistants and losing recruiting battles due to no $$$$.

3. Recruiting budget restrictions meant that Painter had to settle for some kids that he might not recruit today. He also learned to be more picky about who he let into the locker room. Coaches do learn & improve.

Wish you guys a better season going forward!

 

[drew_hawk]

Purdue fans are missing some important things

1. Keady really trashed the program at the end of his tenure so he got a boost that he raised it b

2 that painter had a hard time recruited aftre Cuonzo martin left and ended recruiting guys that caused him to loose the locker room.

3 More importantly that rule changes in the NCAA really ****ed up his defensive system and made it suck .

He if he had not not been able to adjust his defensive system and cleanse his locker room he might not of been the coach at purdue Today. Swannigan wasn't that important he made the tourney the year before he came the 2014 class the came along with octeus allowed hims to get rid of the cancer and he was smart or possibly young enough to change the way he coached D

Despite all of this Fran is looking to make the tourney what 3 times in his first 8 years Painter made 6 of his first 8 and will make 10 of his first 13. But yeah Painters resume will be hollow if he doesn't make some noise in the tourney. But fran isn't really coming that close either

Purdue is currently ranked 3rd in the nation. I seem to remember a couple years ago, at about the same point of the season, when Iowa was ranked 3rd in the nation (1st in kenpom). What followed was an epic collapse, followed by a distinct lack of noise made in the tournament (which, mind you, we inexplicably almost found a way to not make it into). And yet, Fran is still fine, despite the bed being riddled with repeated shats, along with a refusal to change the increasingly sullied sheets. How long must we keep lying in this bed of filth?