Your sentences contradict. Christians find their teachings in both. The OT and NT make up the whole of Christian theology. You might want to take one of those religious history classes.
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Why? I lived through it. There's nothing that a professor could teach me about Christianity. I went to Baptist, AoG, Mennonite, and non-denominational churches. My father/grandfather/uncle were youth ministers, deacons, and elders. I went to church three times a week throughout my youth. I was in the 'Royal Rangers' which was the AoG's version of the Boy Scouts. My father was a regional director. My mother spent part of her childhood in Haiti with my Mennonite grandparents who were missionaries.
I grew up in the Church. I know the Church. If you research what I told you in my last post, you will see that I'm correct.
You're right, it would be a waste of time to try to tell you anything. You always think you know it all. Which is rather annoying to those of us who do.
Nice. Trust me, dude. There is a difference between Christianity and the Church, and I think you're talking more about the Church than the actual religion. Do you think Jesus commanded that his priests rape little kids? Do you really think Jesus would care if gay people got married? Do you think he would have started multiple wars?
This is what the Religious Right in America believes.
Some Christians believe in the teachings of Jesus. They are hard to find. They rarely speak out against the more prevalent Christian preachers of hate.
If you are one of those people who is constantly railing about Muslims never objecting to Islamist terrorism and hate, imagine what I think about the silence from America's Christians over the Religious Right agenda that dominates religious speech in America.
I'm not religious anymore and I'm definitely not a fan of the Church.
I think the Jesus character said he the Old Testament still applied. That's what we were discussing. By branching out into war and rape you seem to be suggesting that those things are justified by the OT. I think you're letting your political thoughts govern your religious ideas.
No, he didn't say the Old Testament still applied, because the Old Testament is completely different from the New Testament. Christians would be trying to follow two different sets of rules.
Read your Bible or open a theology book. The great majority of Christians still think the OT applies. You would know that if you got out of your bubble and studied the religion objectively. It shouldn't surprise you, but Mennonites and their Marcionic ideas don't represent main line Christian thinking.
Matthew 5:17-19English Standard Version (ESV)
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I've been to four different kinds of churches. For example, the Old Testament talks about "an eye for an eye", while the New Testament talks about "turn the other cheek." Do you see how you couldn't have both sets of laws since they are diametrically opposed?
The question I've always had about that passage is what he means by "the Law."
The first part of that - the "fulfill" part - seems to refer to prophecies about the Christ. Not OT scripture. The "commandments" part could refer to the 10 Commandments. Or they could refer to all the rules and regulations found in the OT.
It makes me sad to think that Jesus could have been referring to the hateful parts of the OT, but I suspect that's the consensus. Which would mean that unless Jesus changed or contradicted something in the OT - such as stoning adulteresses - those rules stand no matter how nasty.
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You will get no argument from me if you want to point out the Bible is illogical. Sometimes one must reach beyond their personal experience to understand a topic. I'd suggest religion is such a subject. You may enjoy the education. Its fascinating how Christians will pick and choose which parts of the OT apply and which do not. Its enough to make one suspect that the Bible was written by a bunch of humans who didn't agree rather than one perfect consciousness trying to reveal himself.
There will always be some people who twist things for their own gain. I see it all the time on here.
Of course the Bible was written by humans. Even the Christians believe this.
There's a way to gain here on HROT? Please explain what sort of twisting is necessary and how to collect.
Actually, I have had several on the evangelical right tell me that Genesis was written by God. Or the first version of Genesis, or something. And many Christians insist that the bible is inerrant because God inspired it's writers and transcribers.
Sure, it's nonsense. But we're talking about religion, so that's a given.
I think the prophecies are part of the OT scriptures. Like Matt 4 talks about fulfilling Isaiah. Calling the law the 10 commandments probably works for many Christians, but in my reading, that's not how the passage is interpreted.
Inspired by, sure. I can see people saying that. Written directly by? I've never heard that.
Sure, but in this case you're in the minority view. The vast majority of Christians think as I have presented, that the OT still applies.
Humans who didn't agree rather than one perfect consciousness trying to reveal himself? I don't think you can back that up either. Why are you trying so hard to deflect and run from the points?
Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
As well as Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 26:52: Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, make up your freaking mind.
Surprised there hasn't been more discussion as to the relationships between Judaism, Christians and Islam. Let's be honest, if there was one big family reunion the three would all be there.
But the differences came long after the Old Testament and the particular example on this thread was a good one not of how "bad" Christians are, but how a lack of knowledge can lead to faulty conclusions.
Anyway, I'm inspired by your post, Natural, to make what I think is a good point. Christ spent a lot of time essentially telling the Pharisees, the religious leaders of the day, to "get bent". If you think about it, he spent a lot of time teaching people to do what was right, not what they were told.
Back to our recent example (Old Testament) about stoning? I can think of one story where Christ kind of changed that up a bit.
Bold declaration. No, all Christians do not look at the Old Testament as more than an early hint at what was coming. Christ is our teacher.
The Christ character has a knack for saying most anything the narrative needs to be said in the story. Now either that makes God very human or it makes the writers guided by very human inspirations. I lean towards the latter, but the former is fun too.
I have my doubts that's true either. An easy way to prove it would be to simply collect all the bits written by Christ and see how many teachings you embrace. I imagine Paul and many others might be your real teachers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-Letter_Christian
This is as close to a Christian "movement" as you'll see me get. I've been my own "Red Letter Christian" since the late 1970's when conservatives took over my Church and suddenly all the lessons I'd learned, quotes from Christ himself, were reinterpreted.
Congrats, dude. You can google and quote the Bible. That's a whole lot more than I thought you could do.
I know I am wasting my time........But why oh why would you even think about sticking up for these POS barbarians.
You're an idiot. Here's a photo of Muslims throwing a suspected gay man off a roof to his death. When was the last time Christians did that in the US? Well……………?
And for good measure, they stoned them once they were dead. These are the people lined up to come into the U.S. Is this what you want here? Do you think their ideas, philosophy, and attitudes change once they walk across the magical line called the United States.
You progressive are so freaking blind to the real world it makes me sick. Their animals. Plain and simple, and you want them here. Way to go WWJD and natural. Enjoy the new violence coming to the U.S. because you refuse to see the truth.
Awesome. A Democrat family photo.
Part of the family on my father's side are in the KKK, and they're ALL democrats.
Of course they are. But Dems say they're REALLY Republicans so it doesn't really count.
Yeah but he apologized or something like that. So the Dems forgave him for being a racist, violent klansman.
Oh. And Kennedy killed a woman and they didn't care about that either.
What is more racist? Thinking a race of people are smart enough to make it on their own, or thinking that this same race is so f***ed up that they'll never be able to make it without help?
