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Mexican farmers who killed 10 cartel members with sickles and shotguns ‘acted in self-defence’

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How about putting more than 1% of your population in prison?

That’s how El Salvador is going about fighting crime. In May of last year, 71,000 Salvadorans were held behind bars, according to the US State Department, up from 39,600 in 2018.

President Nayib Bukele, the mastermind of El Salvador’s mass incarceration policy, doesn’t think he has anything to be ashamed of. Last year, he notes proudly, El Salvador’s homicide rate fell to 7.8 per 100,000 Salvadorans, the second lowest in Central America, after Nicaragua. In 2018, the year before Bukele came into office, the rate was just above 52. In 2015 it topped 100, at the time the highest in the world.


If some human rights have been trampled along the way toward social peace — if innocent Salvadorans have been swept up and incarcerated; and the incarcerated occasionally mistreated to the point of death — it’s a reasonable price to squash a festering gang problem that had put the streets off limits for most Salvadorans.

And here lies a problem: Not only are Salvadorans loving it. Politicians and policymakers from neighboring Honduras to faraway Argentina have been impressed by the Bukele regime’s iron fist, tempted by the political payoff that similar tactics might yield in their own increasingly crime-ridden societies.

The strategy doesn’t work for long in a democracy, though, given its glaring conflict with the notion of justice, accountability and civil rights. It is well suited to politicians aiming to perpetuate themselves in power, like Bukele, who is defying his country’s constitution to run for re-election. But over time it becomes apparent that abuses are not a bug but a feature; excess force is deployed to spread fear. Suspended civil rights are often not recovered.
 
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Reddit had an AMA (Ask Me Anything) with a Mexican-American homicide detective a few years back that was fascinating.

He was like 27 years old and seemed 45. He basically said the Mexican Army is powerful and could wipe out the cartels but the Mexican government doesn't have the will to do so, partially because of the bloodshed it would cause and their own incompetence.
and government corruption
 
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Then send in units that would love to take care of the problem. And keep it under wraps.

You feel this would solve the problem?
Different cartels have been eliminated through funding and exercises in the last 30+ years in various countries yet the problem still exists. Why do you think covertly attacking Mexican cartels would stop new cartels from taking their place?
 
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Reddit had an AMA (Ask Me Anything) with a Mexican-American homicide detective a few years back that was fascinating.

He was like 27 years old and seemed 45. He basically said the Mexican Army is powerful and could wipe out the cartels but the Mexican government doesn't have the will to do so, partially because of the bloodshed it would cause and their own incompetence.

Meanwhile, 150-200 Americans die from fentanyl every single day in the United States.
 
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You feel this would solve the problem?
Different cartels have been eliminated through funding and exercises in the last 30+ years in various countries yet the problem still exists. Why do you think covertly attacking Mexican cartels would stop new cartels from taking their place?

I misspoke. What I meant by "keep it under wraps" is to maintain control of the problem. Just like our military continues to do with Al-Qaeda, ISIS and the other terrorist organizations that would love to recruit, train, plan and attack the United States. Eliminate the leadership and organization of the cartels as they currently exist. Then continue to eliminate new leadership that assumes power. When a weed emerges from the soil, it gets picked. This is bread-and-butter stuff for the elite in our military.
 
If that's what it takes to quash the gangs, then I'm all for it, since I'm not a gang member.
How fascist of you.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


—Martin Niemöller
 
I misspoke. What I meant by "keep it under wraps" is to maintain control of the problem. Just like our military continues to do with Al-Qaeda, ISIS and the other terrorist organizations that would love to recruit, train, plan and attack the United States. Eliminate the leadership and organization of the cartels as they currently exist. Then continue to eliminate new leadership that assumes power. When a weed emerges from the soil, it gets picked. This is bread-and-butter stuff for the elite in our military.

We can agree to disagree on the effectiveness of sending US Troops into harms way continuing the drug war.

American drug desire will outrun the number of people US soldiers would be able to eliminate. Every time the US has destroyed a terrorism cell, another has taken its place around the world, and those terrorists are people who want to harm Americans.
The drug cartels are supported by Americans ( users and pursuers) because they supply a product and service that holds tremendous monetary value, killing some opens the door for others IMO
 
How fascist of you.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


—Martin Niemöller

None of those people were murderous cartel members.
 
How fascist of you.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


—Martin Niemöller
What if Bukele rewrites it?

First they came for the gangsters, and I did not speak out - because I was a not a gangster.
Then everyone else lived happily ever after.


Folks seem kinda happy with the results:

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El Salvador’s homicide rate fell to 7.8 per 100,000 Salvadorans, the second lowest in Central America, after Nicaragua. In 2018, the year before Bukele came into office, the rate was just above 52. In 2015 it topped 100, at the time the highest in the world.
 
And you think the Argentine government will care if they round up innocents on a large scale?
You’re describing the junta from 40 years ago.

Argentinians rejected in the last election the policies that have put them in their dire straits.

Of course there are vested interests that are going to protest losing out on the largesse they got under the old government.

But let’s see this play out. Did you take serious concerns that Trudeau’s invocation of the Emergencies Act to arrest the protest truckers and seize their bank accounts meant Canada was slipping into despotism? Or just not allowing political protests to paralyze the economy for some people.
 
Dim Kim should send the ISP and National Guard down there to clear this up!

Might get her another guest appearance on Fox Opinion Network?
The way that story reads, she ought to send some Iowa farmers.
 
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