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IMCC965

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So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.

Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
 
If MSU could hit short shots then it wouldn't be an issue. Also, need to hit some 3's to open up the middle even more.
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I'm not a blame the refs guy and I also hate MSU, but the biased refs and commentators is blatantly obvious. You have to be blind or stupid not to notice.
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Originally posted by IMCC965:
So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.

Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
There was a stretch where Michigan State was mugging Duke relentlessly and nothing was called. And I DO NOT LIKE DUKE.
 
Originally posted by northside_hawk:
I'm not a blame the refs guy and I also hate MSU, but the biased refs and commentators is blatantly obvious. You have to be blind or stupid not to notice.

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Gee haven't heard that one before... Sounds like you are a blame the refs guy.
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Originally posted by MepoDawg#:
Okafor did travel.

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Rewind it if you can. Never moved his right foot. College refs always get fooled by movements that look weird though and default to calling a travel so it's no surprise. Many fans get confused too I guess...
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Shafted or not, they played pretty bad for most of the first half. They missed too many easy buckets and looked totally lost on offense.
 
Originally posted by Lone Clone:



Originally posted by IMCC965:

So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.



Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
There was a stretch where Michigan State was mugging Duke relentlessly and nothing was called. And I DO NOT LIKE DUKE.

Lone clone, I used to think that clone fans were the exception when it came to complaining about officials and not being able to take the blinders off. After spending way too much time on this board, however, I have realized that about 75 percent of college bball fans have no ability to take the blinders off and watch a game objectively. If Iowa was duke in this game playing mich st we would be getting totally "shafted" according to most on this board, but since most are rooting for mich st, they are of course getting screwed. College refs obviously suck, but it usually all evens out by the end of the game (sans iowa @ uni 2011).
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Originally posted by pocha444444:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:




Originally posted by IMCC965:

So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.



Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
There was a stretch where Michigan State was mugging Duke relentlessly and nothing was called. And I DO NOT LIKE DUKE.

Lone clone, I used to think that clone fans were the exception when it came to complaining about officials and not being able to take the blinders off. After spending way too much time on this board, however, I have realized that about 75 percent of college bball fans have no ability to take the blinders off and watch a game objectively. If Iowa was duke in this game playing mich st we would be getting totally "shafted" according to most on this board, but since most are rooting for mich st, they are of course getting screwed. College refs obviously suck, but it usually all evens out by the end of the game (sans iowa @ uni 2011).

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That's a lot of blinders. Good thing you are totally open minded. Thank you!
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Please keep setting everyone straight. We need you around here. Thumbs up man!!!
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Michigan state is getting beat. It's got nothing to do with the refs. They better start playing better or this game is going to get ugly.
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Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by pocha444444:




Originally posted by Lone Clone:







Originally posted by IMCC965:



So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.







Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
There was a stretch where Michigan State was mugging Duke relentlessly and nothing was called. And I DO NOT LIKE DUKE.



Lone clone, I used to think that clone fans were the exception when it came to complaining about officials and not being able to take the blinders off. After spending way too much time on this board, however, I have realized that about 75 percent of college bball fans have no ability to take the blinders off and watch a game objectively. If Iowa was duke in this game playing mich st we would be getting totally "shafted" according to most on this board, but since most are rooting for mich st, they are of course getting screwed. College refs obviously suck, but it usually all evens out by the end of the game (sans iowa @ uni 2011).



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That's a lot of blinders. Good thing you are totally open minded. Thank you!
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Please keep setting everyone straight. We need you around here. Thumbs up man!!!


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No problem, Dan. If you ever need any assistance with your own blinders just seek me out. I'm here to help. I know you aren't a part of that 75 percent though so you shouldn't have to worry...
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Originally posted by pocha444444:

No problem, Dan. If you ever need any assistance with your own blinders just seek me out. I'm here to help. I know you aren't a part of that 75 percent though so you shouldn't have to worry...

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I don't even know if I was being sarcastic or not. I'm watching the game and singing, "One of these things is not like the other..."
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Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by pocha444444:

No problem, Dan. If you ever need any assistance with your own blinders just seek me out. I'm here to help. I know you aren't a part of that 75 percent though so you shouldn't have to worry...

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I don't even know if I was being sarcastic or not. I'm watching the game and singing, "One of these things is not like the other..."
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Don't know if you were being sarcastic or not? Ha I got to say Dan you are one interesting cat. I just assumed that you were. And yes, this game looks to be getting ugly fast. Duke is way too good and this isn't even that great of a Michigan St team.
 
Originally posted by pocha444444:
Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by pocha444444:




Originally posted by Lone Clone:







Originally posted by IMCC965:



So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.







Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
There was a stretch where Michigan State was mugging Duke relentlessly and nothing was called. And I DO NOT LIKE DUKE.



Lone clone, I used to think that clone fans were the exception when it came to complaining about officials and not being able to take the blinders off. After spending way too much time on this board, however, I have realized that about 75 percent of college bball fans have no ability to take the blinders off and watch a game objectively. If Iowa was duke in this game playing mich st we would be getting totally "shafted" according to most on this board, but since most are rooting for mich st, they are of course getting screwed. College refs obviously suck, but it usually all evens out by the end of the game (sans iowa @ uni 2011).



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That's a lot of blinders. Good thing you are totally open minded. Thank you!
wink.r191677.gif
Please keep setting everyone straight. We need you around here. Thumbs up man!!!


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No problem, Dan. If you ever need any assistance with your own blinders just seek me out. I'm here to help. I know you aren't a part of that 75 percent though so you shouldn't have to worry...
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Dan's even worse than that 75%. He thinks there's some kind officiating conspiracy in college basketball.
 
Michigan State got it down to 13, but Duke goes another run to build up a 20 point lead again.
 
Originally posted by clickhere 01:

Dan's even worse than that 75%. He thinks there's some kind officiating conspiracy in college basketball.


Ah! Clickhere! I've got something for you:
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Originally posted by DanL53:

Discussion.

Why is it Andrew Fleming is ranked so low?

Unranked 3* by Rivals
Evaluated a 78 (3 star) by ESPN. Meanwhile Josh Reaves is ranked an 84 (4 star)
Scout has him as a two star.
247 has Fleming OUT of their top 247.

Fleming is listed by Verbal commits as having had 27 offers including the likes of Gonzaga, Iowa State, Ohio State, Stanford...

What is it we're seeing that college basketball coaches saw? What is different between Fleming, ranked by ESPN as the 52nd best shooting guard in the country, and Reaves, ranked by ESPN as the 23rd best shooting guard in the country?




Allow me to guess:

1. ESPN and those scouting services hate Iowa, therefore rate their players lower. (conspiracy)

2. Fleming has less than average lateral quickness and could struggle defending at this level.

3. His release point is low and also shoots a set shot mainly.(in games I've watched) Those two things and having marginal quickness could make it difficult for him to get a shot off.

4. I'm sure you'll go with #1
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Just my opinion, I was thinking something along the line of his assets don't measure well in AAU ball or even on Oak HIll's team. Player rankings are often measures of individual skills and not team ball.

But on a thread that was a nice compilation of player assessments, instead of just giving my opinion I thought this could be a good discussion point.
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There you go.....take your pills and while you can think for a couple seconds...think about this ^^^^^. And stop trying to read my mind, you aren't very good at it. Thank you!
 
My blinders are off and what I know is that the East region was weak for MSU to win it.
Duke's guards are tough and now if only Bucky gets hammered like this I will be happy..
 
From my observation in about 4-5 minute time frame I saw the refs make 4 bad calls against Michigan St.

Dawson was called for a foul when a Duke player stepped on Dawson's foot and slipped.
Dawson was called for a foul on a clean strip.
Michigan St. had a clean block and it was called.

There were at least 3 no calls for Duke while playing defense.

Unfortunate that the game just couldn't be played out instead of injuring Michigan St. with bogus fouls.
 
I was torn watching this game. I wanted MSU to win because they represent the B1G, but I could also not stifle my man giggling every time they got screwed by a call.

In short,, heeee hee hee hee he heeeeee! Piss off MSU, go Badgers!

Something like that anyways
 
Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by clickhere 01:

Dan's even worse than that 75%. He thinks there's some kind officiating conspiracy in college basketball.


Ah! Clickhere! I've got something for you:
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Originally posted by DanL53:

Discussion.

Why is it Andrew Fleming is ranked so low?

Unranked 3* by Rivals
Evaluated a 78 (3 star) by ESPN. Meanwhile Josh Reaves is ranked an 84 (4 star)
Scout has him as a two star.
247 has Fleming OUT of their top 247.

Fleming is listed by Verbal commits as having had 27 offers including the likes of Gonzaga, Iowa State, Ohio State, Stanford...

What is it we're seeing that college basketball coaches saw? What is different between Fleming, ranked by ESPN as the 52nd best shooting guard in the country, and Reaves, ranked by ESPN as the 23rd best shooting guard in the country?




Allow me to guess:

1. ESPN and those scouting services hate Iowa, therefore rate their players lower. (conspiracy)

2. Fleming has less than average lateral quickness and could struggle defending at this level.

3. His release point is low and also shoots a set shot mainly.(in games I've watched) Those two things and having marginal quickness could make it difficult for him to get a shot off.

4. I'm sure you'll go with #1
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Just my opinion, I was thinking something along the line of his assets don't measure well in AAU ball or even on Oak HIll's team. Player rankings are often measures of individual skills and not team ball.

But on a thread that was a nice compilation of player assessments, instead of just giving my opinion I thought this could be a good discussion point.
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There you go.....take your pills and while you can think for a couple seconds...think about this ^^^^^. And stop trying to read my mind, you aren't very good at it. Thank you!
I don't have the extensive Psychiatric training needed to read your mind.
 
Originally posted by clickhere 01:


Originally posted by DanL53:

Originally posted by clickhere 01:

Dan's even worse than that 75%. He thinks there's some kind officiating conspiracy in college basketball.




Ah! Clickhere! I've got something for you:
______________________________________________________________________________________
Originally posted by DanL53:

Discussion.

Why is it Andrew Fleming is ranked so low?

Unranked 3* by Rivals
Evaluated a 78 (3 star) by ESPN. Meanwhile Josh Reaves is ranked an 84 (4 star)
Scout has him as a two star.
247 has Fleming OUT of their top 247.

Fleming is listed by Verbal commits as having had 27 offers including the likes of Gonzaga, Iowa State, Ohio State, Stanford...

What is it we're seeing that college basketball coaches saw? What is different between Fleming, ranked by ESPN as the 52nd best shooting guard in the country, and Reaves, ranked by ESPN as the 23rd best shooting guard in the country?






Allow me to guess:

1. ESPN and those scouting services hate Iowa, therefore rate their players lower. (conspiracy)

2. Fleming has less than average lateral quickness and could struggle defending at this level.

3. His release point is low and also shoots a set shot mainly.(in games I've watched) Those two things and having marginal quickness could make it difficult for him to get a shot off.

4. I'm sure you'll go with #1
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Just my opinion, I was thinking something along the line of his assets don't measure well in AAU ball or even on Oak HIll's team. Player rankings are often measures of individual skills and not team ball.

But on a thread that was a nice compilation of player assessments, instead of just giving my opinion I thought this could be a good discussion point.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

There you go.....take your pills and while you can think for a couple seconds...think about this ^^^^^. And stop trying to read my mind, you aren't very good at it. Thank you!
I don't have the extensive Psychiatric training needed to read your mind.


Great! Than why do you try?
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Big fella (and you must be a real big guy as tough as you talk) I wasn't giving anybody grief. What is it with all the hate? Look up there Dude! ^^^^ You went to a lot of work to cut me down.

You stalked me twice to slam a post in my face. Why? If you don't like my opinions, put me on ignore.

Not hard is it?

By the way, there is no psychiatric training to teach anyone to read minds. Mind reading doesn't really exist.
 
I was pulling for MSU but damn it is satisfying to see them get mugged and have their own game shoved down there throats and not get the calls now they know how it feels.
 
A lot of terrible calls went against MSU, but the MSU shooters went cold, and Duke did turn up the heat on defense which made a difference.

For Dawson to go from one to four fouls just when MSU started a run was really sad.

Dawson's fouls

1. Tyus Jones flops like he was shot out of a cannon after minimal contact in a very physical game. foul MSU

2. Duke player loses balance, steps on Dawson's foot falls down, official runs up calls late foul #2

3. I forgot the third foul but it had to be crap

game over
 
...now Mich St knows what it feels like..to get physically man handled...and then screwed over on top of that....Remember BTT Spartyville?....doesn't feel good does it?

the fake flopping is remarkable....after a while it gets to be hilarious.
mug ball can't be handled by officials...they are helpless...
 
Originally posted by pocha444444:
Originally posted by Lone Clone:



Originally posted by IMCC965:

So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.



Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
There was a stretch where Michigan State was mugging Duke relentlessly and nothing was called. And I DO NOT LIKE DUKE.

Lone clone, I used to think that clone fans were the exception when it came to complaining about officials and not being able to take the blinders off. After spending way too much time on this board, however, I have realized that about 75 percent of college bball fans have no ability to take the blinders off and watch a game objectively. If Iowa was duke in this game playing mich st we would be getting totally "shafted" according to most on this board, but since most are rooting for mich st, they are of course getting screwed. College refs obviously suck, but it usually all evens out by the end of the game (sans iowa @ uni 2011).
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I can't watch an ISU game objectively, and it's been a long, long, LONG time since I thought otherwise. But in my case, and I think with most fans, the bias isn't usually a matter of disagreeing with a single call -- like a block/charge. It's a matter of seeing all the times a bad call went against my team and not seeing the times a bad call went against the opponent.

I didn't think either game yesterday was particularly well officiated.
 
Originally posted by IMCC965:
So here it goes again. Mich St. is getting pounded inside with almost no fouls on Duke and they're already in the bonus. They're going to do everything they can to get Kentucky/Duke in the finals.

Mich St. is getting called for everything. It's OBVIOUS what is going on.
So, what happened in the KY game? Did the mysterious "they" mess up somehow?
 
Originally posted by printsit:
My blinders are off and what I know is that the East region was weak for MSU to win it.
Duke's guards are tough and now if only Bucky gets hammered like this I will be happy..
I could guard Trice if they allowed me to grab handfuls of jersey like Duke does. It is disgusting how much the Duke and Ky players get away with. Mich St got away with in in conference play but not against Duke.
 
Yes, the only reason Duke and Kentucky win is because the refs let them do whatever they want. Lol. It has nothing to do with having the most talented rosters in the country and 2 hall of fame coaches. And for all the conspiracy theorists that said the refs wanted Kentucky-Duke, what happened? FYI, Duke was the way better team. Better at every position. Pretty simple. If they played 10 times sparty might win 1. Might.
 
It is really funny that Iowa fans complain constantly for 20 years about Izzo and how his teams MUG Iowa players. But when those fouls actually get called, they complain constantly that Duke is getting all the calls.
 
I don't think many of us won't agree that Duke was a better team. I do however think the refs should have swallowed their whistles in the first half and keep the starters on the floor. The calls didn't seem very objective.

It was way more evident in the KY game that they allowed Harrison to body up on defense and not get called for it. Very frustrating to play against it. Then on offense he'd initiate the contact and get the calls. Again very frustrating to play against

Then when Harrison finally gets called for something he cries and whines. Remember when he jammed his finger in the quarterfinal game? He doubles over and rushes to the bench holding his hand. What a little girl.. Really odd reaction.
 
Originally posted by hawkipucker:

Then when Harrison finally gets called for something he cries and whines. Remember when he jammed his finger in the quarterfinal game? He doubles over and rushes to the bench holding his hand. What a little girl.. Really odd reaction.
it wasn't jammed it was dislocated which I imagine can be quite painful.
 
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