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Can't say I disagree with them. Can't think of many QB's that have progressed all that well in recent memory. Stanzi maybe. But most showed promise when they were young and never developed from there.
 
IFlyEm said:
Can't say I disagree with them. Can't think of many QB's that have progressed all that well in recent memory. Stanzi maybe. But most showed promise when they were young and never developed from there.
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Ricky Stanzi, Drew Tate and Brad Banks come to mind.
 
Wasn't Tate best in his Sophmore season? Stanza his Junior season? And does Banks count when we only saw him 1 year?

It is a little troubling we haven't see a guy make "the leap" in skill level during his time at iowa. You could say Stanzi but it wasn't as if he was running a wide open offense
 
Stanzi Jr.: 8.0ypa, 17 td, 15 int
Stanzi Sr.: 8.7ypa, 25 td, 6 int

Stanzi improved.

Tate So.: 7.4ypa, 20 td, 14 int
Tate Jr.: 8.0ypa, 22 td, 7 int
Tate Sr.: 7.5ypa, 18 td, 13 int

Tate improved from Soph to Junior, regressed as a Senior. Solon hay bale toss and taking a head shot trying to make tackle at ISU ruined his season.

Don't the coaches get some credit for developing Brad Banks from juco to Heisman runner-up?
 
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ichawk24 said:
Stanzi Jr.: 8.0ypa, 17 td, 15 int
Stanzi Sr.: 8.7ypa, 25 td, 6 int

Stanzi improved.

Tate So.: 7.4ypa, 20 td, 14 int
Tate Jr.: 8.0ypa, 22 td, 7 int
Tate Sr.: 7.5ypa, 18 td, 13 int

Tate improved from Soph to Junior, regressed as a Senior. Solon hay bale toss and taking a head shot trying to make tackle at ISU ruined his season.

Don't the coaches get some credit for developing Brad Banks from juco to Heisman runner-up?
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Absolutely they do. Thanks for the numbers.
 
Tate knew more about QB play than OKeefe and Ferentz combined. He was extremely intelligent on the football field. His improvement was from his own development and from learning how to study film. Stanzi got much better each and every year in the program but the coaches definitely got rid of the edge that made Stanzi a winner.
 
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soybean said:
Ricky Stanzi, Drew Tate and Brad Banks come to mind.
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I would be on board with Stanzi.

Banks you can't really use as an example because he only played a year. Here are some stats:

Drew Tate
Sophomore 233 of 375 2,786 yds 20 TD 14 INT
Junior 219 of 352 2,828 yds 22 TD 7 INT
Senior 207 of 352 2,623 yds 18 TD 13 INT

James Vandenberg
Junior 237 of 404 3,022 yds 25 TD 7 INT
Senior 223 of 389 2,249 yds 7 TD 8 INT

Jake Rudock
Sophmore 204 of 346 2,383 yds 18 TD 13 INT
Junior 213 of 345 2,436 yds 16 TD 5 INT
 
PHXIowaClub said:
Tate knew more about QB play than OKeefe and Ferentz combined. He was extremely intelligent on the football field. His improvement was from his own development and from learning how to study film. Stanzi got much better each and every year in the program but the coaches definitely got rid of the edge that made Stanzi a winner.
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Just wondering how you know this. Do you work for the program? An honest question.
 
PHXIowaClub said:
Tate knew more about QB play than OKeefe and Ferentz combined. He was extremely intelligent on the football field. His improvement was from his own development and from learning how to study film. Stanzi got much better each and every year in the program but the coaches definitely got rid of the edge that made Stanzi a winner.
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What "edge" did they rid Stanzi of as a senior? The ability to not cover an onside kick (Minnesota) or defend a fake punt (Wisconsin)? Or give up a winning TD drive at the end to Arizona?

Using a QB's won-loss record is one measure of how good the QB is, but not everything. Stanzi increased his YPA, completion %, TD's and lowered his interceptions as a senior, and the team wasn't as good as 2009.
 
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I guess Nathan Chandler made "the leap", going from JUCO to leading the Hawkeyes to a 10 win season.
 
The best QB's at Iowa all had pretty good football IQ's. They could turn a bad play into a good one in other words, improvise. Ed Podolak, when he played QB, and Brad Banks were probably the 2 best at doing that of all the QBs I've seen play for the Hawks. Tate was pretty good his Soph yr. and Stanzi his Junior yr. I'm hoping CJ has that same talent. I've seen flashes but if he can do that on a consistent basis , Iowa could have a good season.
 
IFlyEm said:
I would be on board with Stanzi.

Banks you can't really use as an example because he only played a year. Here are some stats:

Drew Tate
Sophomore 233 of 375 2,786 yds 20 TD 14 INT
Junior 219 of 352 2,828 yds 22 TD 7 INT
Senior 207 of 352 2,623 yds 18 TD 13 INT

James Vandenberg
Junior 237 of 404 3,022 yds 25 TD 7 INT
Senior 223 of 389 2,249 yds 7 TD 8 INT

Jake Rudock
Sophmore 204 of 346 2,383 yds 18 TD 13 INT
Junior 213 of 345 2,436 yds 16 TD 5 INT
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Brad Banks played two years and improved exponentially between years one and two.
 
Brad started one year. Though I believe there was no way that McCann should have been starting over him. It's not like this staff hasn't played numerous guys over others that should have been staring.

Also, I'm not sure how much credit the coaches can take with him. Most of his greatness lied in his natural ability to make plays.
 
IFlyEm said:
Brad started one year. Though I believe there was no way that McCann should have been starting over him. It's not like this staff hasn't played numerous guys over others that should have been staring.

Also, I'm not sure how much credit the coaches can take with him. Most of his greatness lied in his natural ability to make plays.
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Banks did not play better than McCann his first year. I seem to remember the ISU game that year, actually played in November, where he definitely showed he was not ready to start yet.
 
"Michigan needs mediocre. They don't need somebody to carry the team. They need somebody who won't throw games away."

Well they actually got both of those with Jake last night. I hate to say that, but that is exactly what happened.
 
"Michigan needs mediocre. They don't need somebody to carry the team. They need somebody who won't throw games away."

Well they actually got both of those with Jake last night. I hate to say that, but that is exactly what happened.
 
Did banks get a fair shot at showing he deserved to play that first year or did he make a couple mistakes and was forced to hit the pine, I don't really recollect. It's a little hard to believe he went from not being good enough to play one year to almost winning the Heisman trophy the next while leading iowa to one of their best seasons ever.
 
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ozziesimmons22 said:
Just wondering how you know this. Do you work for the program? An honest question.
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I worked with the QBs for a few years. O'Keefe was a good coach but Iowa has always lacked a true QB coach and I feel that is crucial in the college game. O'Keefe was a heck of a WR and baseball player in college but never played QB. Just observations from players in the program in the early and mid 2000s.
 
PHXIowaClub said:
Tate knew more about QB play than OKeefe and Ferentz combined. He was extremely intelligent on the football field. His improvement was from his own development and from learning how to study film. Stanzi got much better each and every year in the program but the coaches definitely got rid of the edge that made Stanzi a winner.
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I usually see your view point but I think you have blinders on, on this one. If Tate was so intelligent he would have started more then 12 games in the CFL. Besides unless you are tate or was tates roommate I don't know how you can make that assumption that he improved on his own film watching. As far as Stanzi losing his edge not sure what imperical evidence you have of that. You shouldn't spin your opinion like it's fact. Reading what you said seems like what you're saying is fact.
 
Tate didn't play in the NFL and doesn't start for the best team in the CFL because he doesn't have the arm strength. Plain and simple. Heard this first hand from the Iowa coaches the day he got cut from the Rams. I maybe should have worded the film study part better. Most QBs biggest improvements statistically are because of film work and being comfortable with what a defense is doing.......the game slows down.

We did one footwork drill at practice on 3, 5, and 7 step drops, and one drill on rollouts. No coach ever did anything with the upper half (arm action).

You can ask anyone on the 04 05 06 team about Tate and they would say he was extremely football smart. Tate was so much more advanced than Brad Banks as far as what each could do with the offense. That's nothing against Brad. Brad was a heck of a QB that could run and could LEAD. He had every single player's attention and everyone loved and respected Brad. Iowa needs to find another Brad Banks if they want to be successful in the future....MY OPINION.
 
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Totally agree. We need a dual threat QB. Or at least someone that can move around in the pocket. We don't have the OL or the WR that a pro style QB needs to be successful.
 
The last Hawkeye QB to complete a pass in the NFLregular season was Mark Vlasic in 1991. Iowa just doesn't produce QB's.
 
IFlyEm said:
Based on? The fact that he was 2nd string? That doesn't seem to matter in a Ferentz offense.
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You are confusing the finished product Brad Banks with the previous season version of Brad Banks.
 
Or maybe Banks wasn't given the reigns soon enough. Ferentz has proven time and time again that first string isn't always better. I think the fact that Banks didn't fit the pro QB mold hurt him. But when you watch the the Michigan highlights from 2001 you can definitely tell the ability was there.
 
soybean said:
You are confusing the finished product Brad Banks with the previous season version of Brad Banks.
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You are talking one year Soybean....really? Finished product? Banks effect was immediate every time he stepped on the field. I can't remember how many stalled drives he revived for McCant... I think the playbook and calls are what kept him out, nothing to do with ability!
 
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Totally agree. Looking at Iowa's history of QB development I think it's hard to argue that we were able to take a guy that couldn't tie his shoes and coach him up to be a single season starter Heisman runner up.

Banks just didn't fit the Iowa QB mold. With the success we had with a dual threat QB in Banks it's shame that we haven't tried to emulate that again. But Ferentz is so stuck in his old school style he'll never evolve. Which is why this program is the state it's in.
 
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