Monika Czinano Professional Career

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

It's already been addressed in this thread. Yeah, Toronto sold out a WNBA exhibition game in minutes but I'm sure it's just a cash black hole

No, revenue is a major hurdle they need to overcome if they want to consider adding teams.

The thing is they also are absolutely right that they need to add 2 more franchises at the very least, because the sport of women's basketball is growing and the current generation of players are as talented as its ever been. And it should be an offense that they're losing a lot of talented players to overseas competition, not to mention the fact that many current WNBA players go that route in the offseason as well to supplement income.

But money isn't the only issue the WNBA needs to tackle before they can add more teams and make it a viable league for growth. And that's where it boils down to what kind of leadership you have operating things.

 

[jaxhawk06]

It loses what, about $10 million per year? Yeah, that is pretty much the definition of a cash black hole.

The head coach of one of the more successful franchises spent part of her press conference after their season opener complaining about attendance. That is a good sign, right?

Again I ask, should Toronto not be awarded a WNBA team despite selling out a 19k seat NBA/ NHL arena in minutes? TV ratings are up and fan engagement is higher than ever in the WNBA. If you want growth, you need to invest and increase the fan base.

Nobody scoffs when they try another professional football league even though we have decades of evidence that it doesn't work but the only time random joes are worried about profitability is when it comes to women's basketball.

Going back to soccer, I never hear the "soccer will make it in America" crowd anymore. MLS was a "cash black hole" for years and now they just announced their 30th franchise. Women's professional soccer failed twice and now the current league is in its 11th season and will expand to 14 teams next year.

And apologies to @undersized_post, I didn't realize my comment about wanting the WNBA to expand after Monika got cut would get so many people riled up. This thread should be about Monika

 

[Tylerl_28]

Again I ask, should Toronto not be awarded a WNBA team despite selling out a 19k seat NBA/ NHL arena in minutes? TV ratings are up and fan engagement is higher than ever in the WNBA. If you want growth, you need to invest and increase the fan base.

Nobody scoffs when they try another professional football league even though we have decades of evidence that it doesn't work but the only time random joes are worried about profitability is when it comes to women's basketball.

Going back to soccer, I never hear the "soccer will make it in America" crowd anymore. MLS was a "cash black hole" for years and now they just announced their 30th franchise. Women's professional soccer failed twice and now the current league is in its 11th season and will expand to 14 teams next year.

And apologies to @undersized_post, I didn't realize my comment about wanting the WNBA to expand after Monika got cut would get so many people riled up. This thread should be about Monika

Putting a franchise in a city because of a singular event is crazy and not how any successful league operates.

People scoff and criticize alternate pro football leagues all the time...to claim no one does is proof that you don't want to have an intellectually honest discussion on this topic.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Again I ask, should Toronto not be awarded a WNBA team despite selling out a 19k seat NBA/ NHL arena in minutes? TV ratings are up and fan engagement is higher than ever in the WNBA. If you want growth, you need to invest and increase the fan base.

Nobody scoffs when they try another professional football league even though we have decades of evidence that it doesn't work but the only time random joes are worried about profitability is when it comes to women's basketball.

Going back to soccer, I never hear the "soccer will make it in America" crowd anymore. MLS was a "cash black hole" for years and now they just announced their 30th franchise. Women's professional soccer failed twice and now the current league is in its 11th season and will expand to 14 teams next year.

And apologies to @undersized_post, I didn't realize my comment about wanting the WNBA to expand after Monika got cut would get so many people riled up. This thread should be about Monika

Nobody scoffs? Ummm… okay. Which one of those leagues has lasted 26 years?
The game may need to focus on different markets to thrive. Would DSM support one?

 

[Rose bowl or bust]

Nobody scoffs? Ummm… okay. Which one of those leagues has lasted 26 years?
The game may need to focus on different markets to thrive. Would DSM support one?

I think this is where the WNBA needs to rethink their approach. Instead of trying to make it a go in the biggest markets in the US, and the cities with the most other options for entertainment, they should be looking into markets like Des Moines, Omaha, Birmingham, Providence, etc. Think of all the cities where Arena Football was successful. It wasn’t major markets that had “real” football teams, but those places that have people that are still looking for entertainment options.

 

[ssckelley]

I think this is where the WNBA needs to rethink their approach. Instead of trying to make it a go in the biggest markets in the US, and the cities with the most other options for entertainment, they should be looking into markets like Des Moines, Omaha, Birmingham, Providence, etc. Think of all the cities where Arena Football was successful. It wasn’t major markets that had “real” football teams, but those places that have people that are still looking for entertainment options.

The problem with that is we are talking about small television markets and that's where the real money is.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

The problem with that is we are talking about small television markets and that's where the real money is.

I am by no means an expert on the WNBA, nor anything related to televising sports contests. But...ESPN airs "athletic contests" such as cornhole matches, bowling, flying drones through old warehouses, etc, etc.

It would seem, from my limited perspective, that if there were a good game product (high level professional women's BB) with really any type of a decent, enthusiastic crowd that it could be viable, no??

 

[ssckelley]

I am by no means an expert on the WNBA, nor anything related to televising sports contests. But...ESPN airs "athletic contests" such as cornhole matches, bowling, flying drones through old warehouses, etc, etc.

It would seem, from my limited perspective, that if there were a good game product (high level professional women's BB) with really any type of a decent, enthusiastic crowd that it could be viable, no??

ESPN airs that type of stuff because it costs them next to nothing to air those "events". To make any kind of money they need people watching it and getting a .5% market share out of Chicago is still at least 10 times better than getting a 1% market share out of Des Moines.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Again I ask, should Toronto not be awarded a WNBA team despite selling out a 19k seat NBA/ NHL arena in minutes? TV ratings are up and fan engagement is higher than ever in the WNBA. If you want growth, you need to invest and increase the fan base.

Nobody scoffs when they try another professional football league even though we have decades of evidence that it doesn't work but the only time random joes are worried about profitability is when it comes to women's basketball.

Going back to soccer, I never hear the "soccer will make it in America" crowd anymore. MLS was a "cash black hole" for years and now they just announced their 30th franchise. Women's professional soccer failed twice and now the current league is in its 11th season and will expand to 14 teams next year.

And apologies to @undersized_post, I didn't realize my comment about wanting the WNBA to expand after Monika got cut would get so many people riled up. This thread should be about Monika

Selling out a 19K arena won't necessarily pay all their salaries, TV will. That's why they gamble with new football leagues, trying to put on a product that will attract a profitable amount of viewers. Another WNBA team will not move the TV meter.

 

[Rose bowl or bust]

The problem with that is we are talking about small television markets and that's where the real money is.

And how’s that working out for the WNBA now? You’re not going to attract eyeballs to the TV without some form of connection with the fans. Bring in 1000 people per game isn’t going to create that in a major city. Smaller cities may not generate huge tv markets, but they might support the team live, which could lead to fans following the team outside of their home court. We’ve got 26 years of proof that the big city model isn’t working.

 

[ssckelley]

And how’s that working out for the WNBA now? You’re not going to attract eyeballs to the TV without some form of connection with the fans. Bring in 1000 people per game isn’t going to create that in a major city. Smaller cities may not generate huge tv markets, but they might support the team live, which could lead to fans following the team outside of their home court. We’ve got 26 years of proof that the big city model isn’t working.

So because it's not "working out" they should make it worse by putting the teams in small markets? The WNBA is finally starting to get some traction as attendance numbers have been improving as well as TV ratings so now is a good time to rip it up and start over? Where did you get the "1000 people per game"? Last year the lowest average attendance was the Indiana Fever with 1,776 while the average WNBA game is about 5700.

Do you seriously think for a second that Des Moines can anything close to a 5700 fans per game? The average Wolves game had 4,148 and that's with JBo playing for them. There is no "26 years of proof that the big city model isn't working" as the past few years the viewership has been up, it was up 17% last year over 2021.

 

[TheGuy9]

Again I ask, should Toronto not be awarded a WNBA team despite selling out a 19k seat NBA/ NHL arena in minutes? TV ratings are up and fan engagement is higher than ever in the WNBA. If you want growth, you need to invest and increase the fan base.

Nobody scoffs when they try another professional football league even though we have decades of evidence that it doesn't work but the only time random joes are worried about profitability is when it comes to women's basketball.

Going back to soccer, I never hear the "soccer will make it in America" crowd anymore. MLS was a "cash black hole" for years and now they just announced their 30th franchise. Women's professional soccer failed twice and now the current league is in its 11th season and will expand to 14 teams next year.

And apologies to @undersized_post, I didn't realize my comment about wanting the WNBA to expand after Monika got cut would get so many people riled up. This thread should be about Monika

Actually that's not true. Most people don't support additional football leagues. The only thing keeping current league (spring season) afloat is the TV deal. If the numbers don't improve, this league will also go away.

There are always fools with a lot of money who want to own a sports team. My god. They even have 2 professional pickleball leagues. Doesn't mean it's a good idea..

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

So because it's not "working out" they should make it worse by putting the teams in small markets? The WNBA is finally starting to get some traction as attendance numbers have been improving as well as TV ratings so now is a good time to rip it up and start over? Where did you get the "1000 people per game"? Last year the lowest average attendance was the Indiana Fever with 1,776 while the average WNBA game is about 5700.

Do you seriously think for a second that Des Moines can anything close to a 5700 fans per game? The average Wolves game had 4,148 and that's with JBo playing for them. There is no "26 years of proof that the big city model isn't working" as the past few years the viewership has been up, it was up 17% last year over 2021.

Not trying to jump in the fray, but is the 5,700 number actually rumps in the rows or tickets sold? We've all seen when the Hawks play Coe that 8k people look a lot more like 2,500.
I realize they still get the revenue from the tickets sold, but....

 

[ssckelley]

Not trying to jump in the fray, but is the 5,700 number actually rumps in the rows or tickets sold? We've all seen when the Hawks play Coe that 8k people look a lot more like 2,500.
I realize they still get the revenue from the tickets sold, but....

Any time you see attendance numbers it always reflects tickets sold. But I don't think there's that big of a difference in the WNBA as I'm not sure how many season tickets they actually sell. Typically where you see a huge disparity like that is when you have a large fan base with a lot of season tickets sold that struggles in the regular season. Take the Cubs for example, I believe they sell around 24,000 season tickets but when the team is bad you will see a ton of empty seats that do not add up to the "announced attendance". Nebraska football attendance numbers has been a good example of that the past couple of years.

I think in women's basketball if you are buying a ticket you are going to be at the game.

 

[kceasthawk]

Again I ask, should Toronto not be awarded a WNBA team despite selling out a 19k seat NBA/ NHL arena in minutes? TV ratings are up and fan engagement is higher than ever in the WNBA. If you want growth, you need to invest and increase the fan base.

Nobody scoffs when they try another professional football league even though we have decades of evidence that it doesn't work but the only time random joes are worried about profitability is when it comes to women's basketball.

Going back to soccer, I never hear the "soccer will make it in America" crowd anymore. MLS was a "cash black hole" for years and now they just announced their 30th franchise. Women's professional soccer failed twice and now the current league is in its 11th season and will expand to 14 teams next year.

And apologies to @undersized_post, I didn't realize my comment about wanting the WNBA to expand after Monika got cut would get so many people riled up. This thread should be about Monika

Really? Plenty of people scoff at yet another attempt at spring football, or minor league, or whatever you want to call it. Its a terrible idea, and will most likely crash and burn, just like the past attempts.

 

[undersized_post]

 

[undersized_post]

CSODA A SZEZONNYITÓN! - TFSE.hu

Történelmi tettnek lehettünk szemtanúi szombat este, miután a TFSE-MTK az NB I/A-s bajnokság nyitányán a regnáló magyar bajnok Sopron Basketet hatalmasat hajrázva múlta felül! Az első negyedben gyors vezetést szereztek a vendégek, ám hiába zárkóztunk, valamiért nem sikerült utolérni őket. Szépen...

tfse.sport.hu

Monika's Hungarian team upset the top WBB team in Hungary. The above link is a write up of the game that you can have google translate to English. Sounds like they came back from a 20+ point deficit and won in overtime. Here's a box score. Monika led the way with 25 and 8.

 

[wneff]

CSODA A SZEZONNYITÓN! - TFSE.hu

Történelmi tettnek lehettünk szemtanúi szombat este, miután a TFSE-MTK az NB I/A-s bajnokság nyitányán a regnáló magyar bajnok Sopron Basketet hatalmasat hajrázva múlta felül! Az első negyedben gyors vezetést szereztek a vendégek, ám hiába zárkóztunk, valamiért nem sikerült utolérni őket. Szépen...

tfse.sport.hu

Monika's Hungarian team upset the top WBB team in Hungary. The above link is a write up of the game that you can have google translate to English. Sounds like they came back from a 20+ point deficit and won in overtime. Here's a box score. Monika led the way with 25 and 8.

Hope your translation included this sentence like mine did, "From 47-64, Sopron practically couldn't get a word in, and ours flew at every ball like those who drink blood."
Life in Hungary.

 

[anon_salmfilsntd0b]

Abby Meyers was the No. 11 pick? Not surprised she got cut already. I didn't feel she's better than any of Iowa's starters this year.

Late to the party but Meyers is an excellent playmaker with a mid-range game that is def superior to our Gs not named CC22.

 

[twindman]

I have never watched a WNBA game and probably never will. It isn't politically correct, but if you want the best players you have to look at a men's game. Gals are just handicapped by their sex and are shorter, lest stout and more. Now if you want to watch the best women players, then by all means watch a WNBA game. I did watch several IOWA wbb games, but only because it is Iowa.

 

[GOHOX69]

I have never watched a WNBA game and probably never will. It isn't politically correct, but if you want the best players you have to look at a men's game. Gals are just handicapped by their sex and are shorter, lest stout and more. Now if you want to watch the best women players, then by all means watch a WNBA game. I did watch several IOWA wbb games, but only because it is Iowa.

I would watch Clark shoot all day and night long.

 

[wneff]

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