I was a huge Moss supporter when he was here. McC tried everything to get him to play aggressively but Moss seemed to just go into a shell when he missed a shot or effed up defensively. He has talent, the problem is between his ears. Maybe he will grow out of it but I am more than happy with what I have seen from CJ as a RS freshman getting some of Moss's minutes. And I suspect that Evelyn will fill in nicely for the rest of them.
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Again, perfect sitch for Moss, he is not a heavy minute 2 Guard, but an outstanding spot up shooter role player off the bench. If you think about it, I'm sure he could have transferred somewhere to be a starter, but did not.
What is weird is that would probably been his role at Iowa. He should be hoping that Kansas does not get banned from postseason play for their shenanigans.
that’s a little extreme don’t you think? I think most people wanted him to shoot MORE and stop passing up decent threes for step in 2’s.
he was also a horrible rebounder and gave meh defensive effort.
Given that Moss had games exactly like he had at Kansas against Monmouth, I see no difference in his production so far. Now if he ends up consistently having games like this and helps Kansas to be a better team, then I would agree that Kansas helped him. But as it stands it's way to friggin early to talk about how great of a move it was for him and Kansas. I fact I think it's ridiculous.
2-2 from ft line. 0-2 from field. Both 3 pointers. Kansas as a team was only 1-14 from 3pt line.
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Their bench took a total of 10 shots and their starting guards played 34, 34, and 35 minutes respectively. Odd
CJ is a big step up my man. I don’t know what to tell you if you can’t see that. Moss is and always has been a one trick pony. CJ already has a better all around game, and he’s just a RS Freshman
The team the played really tried to deny him the ball when he was on the court as he is far and away the best 3pt shooter on the team. Didn’t force anything when he did have the ball though and had some good passes and hustle plays. The other team was pretty dang good on defense though and giving all the guards issues except for Dotson.
The early eye test certainly suggests that CJ gives a damn on both ends of the court. I don't know if Moss's give a damn was busted, but he could have used some duct tape and WD40 to help it along.
Agree. Wish Moss the best but he had enough time to elevate his game. Not sure what Fran and the staff had him work on for 4 years, but his handle never improved and he never added anything to his offense. Guy had flashes of better, but they were the exception not the rule. He can be a spot up shooter on KU's roster, but Iowa needed more out of him IMO.
I said I don't know what Fran and staff had him work on. Where did I say that I didn't think Fran and staff didn't have him try to improve. I am sure they did but clearly Moss didn't buy in. Try responding to what I said not your interpretation.
What you said implied that. Better to clarify at the time rather than leave us to the obvious conclusion.
This staff works hard with every player to give them tailored improvement plans every off season. Some work on those weaknesses, somework on what they feel they need. You can often tell who does what in the fall.
Working hard and getting results don't always go hand in hand. Every coach who gets fired claims they worked hard. I am sure Fran and his staff put their time in, but results are what matter. If Moss wasn't putting the work in to improve, the staff should have recruited over him. I have yet to see the staff's hard work yield defensive results.
Very little chance at Pro ball.
Iowa doesn't have the cupboard full of top notch players around him to just hang outside and shoot 3s. Iowa needed more game from him. HE needs more game if he is going to go anywhere post college.
No ill will ,hope he does well and has a great time.
I personally know several players who were worse college players than Isaiah who have made a career overseas, so not sure how you are making that statement... that said, the rest of your post shows a lack of understanding of team basketball
Color me skeptical about many of the people claiming to wish nothing but the best for a guy who was a great Hawkeye for four years, but jump on every opportunity to tell us how he wasn’t good enough and dwell on his shortcomings. Maybe Bohannon wasn’t good enough. Maybe Baer wasn’t good enough. Maybe Garza wasn’t good enough. Maybe Cook wasn’t good enough (wait, no, Cook did suck too according to many here). Maybe, God forbid, FRAN hasn’t been good enough. But no, these guys are all awesome Hawkeyes and we will cheer them on post-Iowa
I get the feeling that some here are butthurt that Cook and Moss didn’t stick out their careers as Hawkeyes and use hating on their time as Hawks here as coping mechanisms. That or they believe that Fran is perfect and don’t want to admit that Iowa had an NBA PF and a player good enough to log serious minutes on Kansas (along with Bohannon and Wieskamp) and still couldn’t get past the Round of 32 in the tournament. Regardless, the attitudes of some people here towards past and current players is freaking sad
Uh, no.
Do you honestly think that Moss is going to do better at Kansas? Play in the NBA?
So it’s Option B for you then?
Moss will very likely be a more efficient player on a better team than any of the ones he played on at Iowa. Where have I ever made a statement regarding him potentially playing in the NBA? LOL
If that means being a 40% three point shooter who is asked to come into the game and make threes, then I’m sure Kansas’ fans will be quite happy with him. Unfortunately he never did pan out to be the better shooting Devyn Marble that many here were expecting when he was a recruit... must be Moss’ fault
You have addressed zero points I have made in this thread with facts, logic, or reasoning. Your opinion means nothing to me. In fact, you telling me that I need help is encouraging to me
And, do you know who East Tennessee State's coach is?
Yeah, he is a really good coach. Very impressed with their team. Can see them potentially knocking someone off in the tournament.
Lol. I'm sure he was one of the many, along with ccrawford, said Cook sucks & would never sniff the NBA. You can always pick out the people who are Iowa fans & people who are basketball fans. There's plenty of Iowa fans on here who never watch any other basketball, they simply watch 30 games a year & that's it.
No doubt. I still can’t get over the poster who claimed that Moss has “very little” chance at playing pro ball ... even overseas. What a wild statement
Great we get to hear about his "success"... but the fact is he plays like he's about 5'11 instead of the size he actually is......just stands around far away from the basketball on offense or defense....yea the guy is a streaky 3-point shooter....I'm sure all of his shots made came without a defender in a mile of him too. He's not a complete player...Kansas will find out his true colors when they need him to make a shot or play defense, or grab rebounds, or create plays or assist for a teammate against a good team.
That is the point of this entire thread! Moss is never going to be an all around 2 Guard. But, he is an excellent three point shooter off the bench. A role player.
They dont need him to really do much else at KU. No need to get mad, just accept that Moss has one strength and should try and exploit it.
