MSU still a bad matchup without Valentine

[Ihawkhoops]

For a moment I was almost optimistic about our chances against MSU, but after going to the game last night and watching most of MSU's game against Oakland, we are still overmatched. We do not have interior guys capable of dealing with MSU even without Valentine. I am not saying the season is lost, just that we will get destroyed inside unless Woodbury, Uhl, Wagher, and, Uthoff and Woodbury can channel Marshawn Lynch's beast mode for 40 minutes.

How good is Oakland's guard? Wow, that guy was impressive.

 

[4th & 9 inches]

Obviously have a better chance at a W without Valentine playing but we always seem to piss down our leg in the last minute against Sparty in Carver.

Hopefully this core group of players can finally step up, make a play down the stretch and win a game against Sparty in Carver.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Obviously have a better chance at a W without Valentine playing but we always seem to piss down our leg in the last minute against Sparty in Carver.

Hopefully this core group of players can finally step up, make a play down the stretch and win a game against Sparty in Carver.

For the remainder of this season, the ONLY matchup that will matter for Iowa is who will be guarding Uthoff. If he can score at least his average, Iowa's in the game.

 

[hooper56]

They will probably make most of their money down low, it's true, but that Byrn Forbes guy is a lights out 3 point shooter so we have to be careful.

 

[Ronman]

Being the pessimist that I am, I expect Valentine to make a remarkable recovery and show up for our game.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Obviously have a better chance at a W without Valentine playing but we always seem to piss down our leg in the last minute against Sparty in Carver.

Hopefully this core group of players can finally step up, make a play down the stretch and win a game against Sparty in Carver.

Sure, sparty still has the advantage. And I expect them to win.
I like Iowa's chances much better, though, to pull off the upset with Valentine being out.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I seldom predict games, and after being disappointed by MSU games so long, it is hard to be optimistic. However, I think the game Tuesday is going to be different. It is time for our seniors to step up and say enough of this crap. Without Valentine, MSU is not a better team. That was Oakland that MSU was lucky to beat, and only because Forbes had the game of his career. We have at least as many offensive weapons, and our PGs are at least as good (and have something to prove). We need Woody, Uthoff, Uhl, Baer and Wagner to attack defensive glass, which might be the only advantage I see for MSU. As long as we get a set of officials with some integrity, I think the Hawks are going to win.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

and our PGs are at least as good

I haven't seen anything from Iowa's points resembling the kind of skills that kid from oakland showed.

 

[icu81222]

All that matters is who the Michigan State player is that has the game of his life and almost single-handedly beats Iowa. You know it's going to happen it always happens

 

[CousinofSparty]

In the immortal words of Donald Trump, I expect Iowa to "schlong" us.
DV is a very big part of our team on both ends.
Uthoff is very impressive.

Bt title will still be open ended.

 

[DewHawk]

I feel pretty good about our match ups. Defensively good and offensively not bad.
MG/AC - Nairn
AC/BE - Forbes/Ellis/McQuaid
AW/DU/Wags - Costello/Schilling
JU/NB - Bess/Clark
PJ/NB - Harris/McQuaid

But, if refs allow them to pound on us (Izzo whining and intimidation), we will lose again. If the refs keep the game clean we will win IMO.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I haven't seen anything from Iowa's points resembling the kind of skills that kid from oakland showed.

Don't think Iowa is playing Oakland. He can play D, but I can shoot better than Tum Tum, and I am over 60 years old.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Don't think Iowa is playing Oakland. He can play D, but I can shoot better than Tum Tum, and I am over 60 years old.

My error. I thought you were referring to the oakland pg. He was money.

 

[hawkisak]

Izzo is already working the refs....

 

[And1Hawk]

If we start out hitting Izzo will employ the usual 'get up into us' tactics and the freedom of movement rules will be out the door for a night. Life in the B1G ... sigh

 

[hawk-i bob]

Being the pessimist that I am, I expect Valentine to make a remarkable recovery and show up for our game.

Was saying the same thing last night....wouldn't surprise me

 

[C/Seahawk]

For a moment I was almost optimistic about our chances against MSU, but after going to the game last night and watching most of MSU's game against Oakland, we are still overmatched. We do not have interior guys capable of dealing with MSU even without Valentine. I am not saying the season is lost, just that we will get destroyed inside unless Woodbury, Uhl, Wagher, and, Uthoff and Woodbury can channel Marshawn Lynch's beast mode for 40 minutes.

How good is Oakland's guard? Wow, that guy was impressive.

Which interior players are you referring to? Sorry, I've only watched a bit of MSU this year, but what makes you fear the MSU frontline? Beyond Davis and Costello what do they have? Honest question, as I think we'll be able to match up with their front line just fine. I worry much more about being able to defend the 3pt shots from MSU.

 

[SpartyY]

Which interior players are you referring to? Sorry, I've only watched a bit of MSU this year, but what makes you fear the MSU frontline? Beyond Davis and Costello what do they have? Honest question, as I think we'll be able to match up with their front line just fine. I worry much more about being able to defend the 3pt shots from MSU.

Just a stat for you Hawk fans the fouls called was 31 each on MSU and Oakland. Also, the last 5 games between Oakland and MSU the point difference total was been 13 pts. Oakland gets up for MSU. They have talent. They have 3 transfers from power 5 conferences and Felder was terrific in High School. He just lacked height for power 5 teams. Also, Jalen Hayes a Forward on their team played great. He played on the same High School team of Valentine ,Forbes and your own Anthony Clemens(sp).

 

[EagleHawk]

Just a stat for you Hawk fans the fouls called was 31 each on MSU and Oakland. Also, the last 5 games between Oakland and MSU the point difference total was been 13 pts. Oakland gets up for MSU. They have talent. They have 3 transfers from power 5 conferences and Felder was terrific in High School. He just lacked height for power 5 teams. Also, Jalen Hayes a Forward on their team played great. He played on the same High School team of Valentine ,Forbes and your own Anthony Clemens(sp).

Didn't watch any of the MSU game, haven't seen them play this year, but it isn't the fouls called that is important in the game, but the fouls not called that dictate how the game goes. if a team hand checks every trip down court, but only gets called 1 time out of 10, they have an advantage over a team that plays sound defense but gets called every time they touch the other team because it doesn't happen that often the ref has to call it.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Didn't watch any of the MSU game, haven't seen them play this year, but it isn't the fouls called that is important in the game, but the fouls not called that dictate how the game goes. if a team hand checks every trip down court, but only gets called 1 time out of 10, they have an advantage over a team that plays sound defense but gets called every time they touch the other team because it doesn't happen that often the ref has to call it.

Quit making excuses before the game is played. The guards will dictate who wins this game. Iowa has the advantage with DV out, and if MG can push and kick effectively. Uthoff will be a focus of every opposing defence the rest of the year so the other players have to step up. Hawks win by 3 over Sparty in Carver.

 

[DanL53]

Quit making excuses before the game is played. The guards will dictate who wins this game. Iowa has the advantage with DV out, and if MG can push and kick effectively. Uthoff will be a focus of every opposing defence the rest of the year so the other players have to step up. Hawks win by 3 over Sparty in Carver.

EagleHawk made an excellent point. And many fans of Big Ten teams agree, MSU plays maul ball and challenges the refs to call every foul.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

EagleHawk made an excellent point. And many fans of Big Ten teams agree, MSU plays maul ball and challenges the refs to call every foul.

Then Fran better be into the refs immediately. Home court advantage dictates that the hawks get the mauling calls...... Provided FM starts making the case right away.

 

[DanL53]

Then Fran better be into the refs immediately. Home court advantage dictates that the hawks get the mauling calls...... Provided FM starts making the case right away.

So you are saying Fran should, "Grind for Greatness". Thanks for the advice.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

So you are saying Fran should, "Grind for Greatness". Thanks for the advice.

Fran will need to out "Izzo" Izzo.

 

[And1Hawk]

Then Fran better be into the refs immediately. Home court advantage dictates that the hawks get the mauling calls...... Provided FM starts making the case right away.

You have no idea what you are talking about. This is not the Big 12 where the majority of games are played in small venues. Home courts mean less than they do in Ames & JayHawk land when you play marquee coaches like Izzo, Ryan (retired!), etc. Those guys are getting the needed calls home or away. You flat out have to beat them regardless - no 'magic' involved.

 

[DanL53]

Fran will need to out "Izzo" Izzo.

I would love to see it. But before the game, I want signed documents from anybody who has ever complained about Fran's red face saying that this time he is allowed to let loose.

To be quite serious though, this game reminds me of the Wisconsin/Rutgers game last year when Kaminsky was out with concussion like symptoms. Maybe/could be Iowa's chance to be the dominant team. It has become a great opportunity and one that could lift the results for the rest of the year from a confidence standpoint alone.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

You have no idea what you are talking about. This is not the Big 12 where the majority of games are played in small venues. Home courts mean less than they do in Ames & JayHawk land when you play marquee coaches like Izzo, Ryan (retired!), etc. Those guys are getting the needed calls home or away. You flat out have to beat them regardless - no 'magic' involved.

What are you talking about? You obviously know very little about the B12 as evidenced by your small venue comment. I am sure Izzo is more "marquee" than Self, or Ryan is more "marquee" than Krueger.....LOL! But getting back on topic, Fran will have to establish his presence early, unless the zebras Just don't like him at all.

 

[And1Hawk]

What are you talking about? You obviously know very little about the B12 as evidenced by your small venue comment. I am sure Izzo is more "marquee" than Self, or Ryan is more "marquee" than Krueger.....LOL! But getting back on topic, Fran will have to establish his presence early, unless the zebras Just don't like him at all.

Oh please do list all of the big time venues in the Big 12. I'll be anxiously awaiting this long list. Yes Self is absolutely the lone marquee coach in the Big 12. That's it, end of story. Krueger is a very good coach but please list Lon's resume of final four appearances, championship games and national titles. I'll wait to read that long list also. Ryan has multiple final fours and a championship game appearance by the way. You want to compare anyone else in your league? I'm happy too. LOL.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Oh please do list all of the big time venues in the Big 12. I'll be anxiously awaiting this long list. Yes Self is absolutely the lone marquee coach in the Big 12. That's it, end of story. Krueger is a very good coach but please list Lon's resume of final four appearances, championship games and national titles. I'll wait to read that long list also. Ryan has multiple final fours and a championship game appearance by the way. You want to compare anyone else in your league? I'm happy too. LOL.

So you believe that Bo's run of 14 years at Wisconsin trumps Kruger taking 4 different P5 programs to the NCAA's with one F4? Kruger also coached in the NBA. You may be Just a bit young to understand the claim you made is pretty foolish. Top 5 Arena capacities have Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, Illinois, and Kansas, in that order. Go ahead and keep making claims that are foolish.

 

[And1Hawk]

So you believe that Bo's run of 14 years at Wisconsin trumps Kruger taking 4 different P5 programs to the NCAA's with one F4? Kruger also coached in the NBA. You may be Just a bit young to understand the claim you made is pretty foolish. Top 5 Arena capacities have Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, Illinois, and Kansas, in that order. Go ahead and keep making claims that are foolish.

Absolutely Ryan's results trump Krugers. Who would argue otherwise? Making the tourney vs getting actual results in the tourney that's a no brainer. Who has more appearances in the tourney over 14 years? You site Kruegers brief run in the NBA where he flamed out as your proof of credibility. Ok!

Who's the fool when you list top 5 capacity and the B1G has 3 of 5. Look at the NCAA attendance numbers from 2014-2015 where the B1G had 7 of the top 20 and 8 of 25. The Big 12 had 2 of the top 25 (KSU & ISU) with KSU almost in the top 25. By the way ISU was #19 and Iowa #20. The B1G has had a team in the championship of the NCAA tourney 7 of the last 15 years and that includes 5 different teams. Keep it coming though!

 

[And1Hawk]

Top 5 Arena capacities have Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, Illinois, and Kansas, in that order. Go ahead and keep making claims that are foolish.

By the way I gave you credit for your top 5 arena capacity list between the B1G and Big 12 but fact checking it looks like the B1G actually has 4 of the top 5 and 7 of the top 10 in terms of capacity.

OSU - 18809
Maryland - 17950
Indiana - 17472
Wisconsin - 17142
Texas - 17000
IL - 16168
Kansas - 16300
Iowa - 15400
PSU - 15261
Texas Tech - 15020

Nice try of letting facts get in the way of your story!

 

[Packer54]

I would not be shocked win or lose but DV is one of the best in CBB and not having him is a huge advantage to Iowa. Just hope they can take advantage of it. It certainly cuts down on the dangerous options MSU has. I have seen enough Iowa/MSU games to sit here and hope we can get them in foul trouble so I believe we are going to have to be very sharp from the 3 point line.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Absolutely Ryan's results trump Krugers. Who would argue otherwise? Making the tourney vs getting actual results in the tourney that's a no brainer. Who has more appearances in the tourney over 14 years? You site Kruegers brief run in the NBA where he flamed out as your proof of credibility. Ok!

Who's the fool when you list top 5 capacity and the B1G has 3 of 5. Look at the NCAA attendance numbers from 2014-2015 where the B1G had 7 of the top 20 and 8 of 25. The Big 12 had 2 of the top 25 (KSU & ISU) with KSU almost in the top 25. By the way ISU was #19 and Iowa #20. The B1G has had a team in the championship of the NCAA tourney 7 of the last 15 years and that includes 5 different teams. Keep it coming though!

Your comments centred on marquee coaches and the "small venues" of the B12 and I proved your comments foolish. I never claimed the B12 venues were larger than the B10, I just proved your comments were thoughtless.

 

[And1Hawk]

Your comments centred on marquee coaches and the "small venues" of the B12 and I proved your comments foolish. I never claimed the B12 venues were larger than the B10, I just proved your comments were thoughtless.

Agree on my comments and you provided absolutely nothing to disprove that. No arguments at all on Self being a marquee coach. Who else you got? Kruger very good coach but not marquee until he proves it in the tourney. Shaka Smart I like and has potential. Small venues... what did you show there besides evidence that was not fact? You have 3 of the top 10 between the leagues with the B1G having the top 4. Attendance? B1G has 8 of the top 25, Big 12 2 of top 25.

Again show me what you proved about my comments?

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Agree on my comments and you provided absolutely nothing to disprove that. No arguments at all on Self being a marquee coach. Who else you got? Kruger very good coach but not marquee until he proves it in the tourney. Shaka Smart I like and has potential. Small venues... what did you show there besides evidence that was not fact? You have 3 of the top 10 between the leagues with the B1G having the top 4. Attendance? B1G has 8 of the top 25, Big 12 2 of top 25.

Again show me what you proved about my comments?

Your foolish comments about both marquee coaches and "small venues" were proven wrong. Don't try and crawfish, Just own up to the fact that you put very little thought into your post..... It is OK to say that you were wrong.

 

[And1Hawk]

Your foolish comments about both marquee coaches and "small venues" were proven wrong. Don't try and crawfish, Just own up to the fact that you put very little thought into your post..... It is OK to say that you were wrong.

LOL. Ok so you have nothing which is what was obvious. You provided inaccurate data and claim victory doing so. That's Big 12 logic for you. You got lit up and owned my friend.

Here is your parting gift for playing. Your marquee coach Krueger was knocked out of the tourney last year by Izzo. The same coach you have tips on how to beat but your marquee guy lost to on Izzo's way to another final four. Too funny and you make it so easy.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

LOL. Ok so you have nothing which is what was obvious. You provided inaccurate data and claim victory doing so. That's Big 12 logic for you. You got lit up and owned my friend.

Here is your parting gift for playing. Your marquee coach Krueger was knocked out of the tourney last year by Izzo. The same coach you have tips on how to beat but your marquee guy lost to on Izzo's way to another final four. Too funny and you make it so easy.

You were trying to belittle the B12 to take a shot at ISU. You failed miserably by the marquee coach comment, and even tried using a retired B10 coach to prove your point. You then tried to further insult the B12 by claiming they play in "small venues" which was also a failed attempt. The smallest venue in the B12 is TCU at nearly 8000 capacity, which ironically is nearly identical to Rutgers and Northwestern. Holding a mirror up to foolish comments can be quite entertaining.

 

[And1Hawk]

You were trying to belittle the B12 to take a shot at ISU. You failed miserably by the marquee coach comment, and even tried using a retired B10 coach to prove your point. You then tried to further insult the B12 by claiming they play in "small venues" which was also a failed attempt. The smallest venue in the B12 is TCU at nearly 8000 capacity, which ironically is nearly identical to Rutgers and Northwestern. Holding a mirror up to foolish comments can be quite entertaining.

The Big 12 does have small venues both literally and attendance wise. So now you list the bottom of the conference which is equivalent to our 13 & 14th team? I guess you had to abandon the top of the conference arguments. I will post venue sizes and attendance figures for both conferences so we can see who looks silly. By the way nice try with TCU capacity being 7200 which you state 'nearly 8000'.

I took zero shots at ISU so once again you prove ISU is Iowa-Sensitivity-University. ISU has a very good bball program in a so-so conference. A conference that has to self promote instead of letting their results speak for themselves. Kansas is the lone marquee bball program and I have nothing but respect for them and Self. They have actually proved something when it counts.

Ryan retired 1 game ago so he started this season as an active coach but we can talk about Bielen who has a final four and championship game appearance or Matta who does also?

 

[revkev73]

Iowa needs to win some big games vs quality opponents...to sway the way the refs call games.

Right now, we are known as, just wait...they will piss it away...Iowa

A win vs MSU next week would be a good start.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

The Big 12 does have small venues both literally and attendance wise. So now you list the bottom of the conference which is equivalent to our 13 & 14th team? I guess you had to abandon the top of the conference arguments. I will post venue sizes and attendance figures for both conferences so we can see who looks silly. By the way nice try with TCU capacity being 7200 which you state 'nearly 8000'.

I took zero shots at ISU so once again you prove ISU is Iowa-Sensitivity-University. ISU has a very good bball program in a so-so conference. A conference that has to self promote instead of letting their results speak for themselves. Kansas is the lone marquee bball program and I have nothing but respect for them and Self. They have actually proved something when it counts.

Ryan retired 1 game ago so he started this season as an active coach but we can talk about Bielen who has a final four and championship game appearance or Matta who does also?

The B12 does not have small venues but keep trying to crawfish. Do you want to use Jud Heathcote or Bobby Knight to support your marquee coach comment as well? It is comical to watch your squirming because you used very little thought to try and belittle the B12 and ISU...... LOL!