Murray Twins with great game against Broward CC

[perryhawk]

Kenyon tweeted that Keegan had 31 pts, 12 rbs, 5 blcks......Kris had 17 pts, 13 rbs, and 5 assists.

I didn't know that prep schools played CCs.......but those are some pretty impressive lines.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

They play several different types of schools. Some bigger High schools, prep schools and some community colleges. That creates a challenge.

This is really good competition for these guys! Love that. They'll play some players that will make them have to earn their points, rebounds, defense, etc.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I will play the dumb card here and admit I don't understand these prep schools. So all these kids have graduated high school and are playing at what appears to be an AAU type level? Are they taking college prep classes and auditioning for college scholarships or is the prep part just hoops-related? Are these kids that had no / few offers out of high school and believe with another year in a structured environment can improve their games?

 

[Auger]

Better game competition then if they came right to Iowa and redshirted and only got to practice. With their growth spurts them spending a year at a quality prep school is a perfect opportunity for them to fine tune their skill sets and learn new positions. Sounds like they're real ball hawks on the boards. It's still a huge step down in competition then what they would face in the B1G but they need an extra year to adapt to their growth.

 

[CleteyColgate]

Kenyon tweeted that Keegan had 31 pts, 12 rbs, 5 blcks......Kris had 17 pts, 13 rbs, and 5 assists.

I didn't know that prep schools played CCs.......but those are some pretty impressive lines.

Thank you for the updates. Really rooting for the Murray kids!

 

[El Simbolo]

I will play the dumb card here and admit I don't understand these prep schools. So all these kids have graduated high school and are playing at what appears to be an AAU type level? Are they taking college prep classes and auditioning for college scholarships or is the prep part just hoops-related? Are these kids that had no / few offers out of high school and believe with another year in a structured environment can improve their games?

Someone please answer are these schools for academic prep or athletic prep mostly?

Also, not meaning to dog on a pair of probably nice kids, but all I saw of them previously was a segment on KCRG while they were at prairie last year and they looked like good hs players who were not future B1G players - I sincerely hope I was wrong or they really are developing this year PS Kenyon was an awesome Hawkeye - wish we had his caliber of athleticism and defense these days!

 

[Legend12]

Someone please answer are these schools for academic prep or athletic prep mostly?

Also, not meaning to dog on a pair of probably nice kids, but all I saw of them previously was a segment on KCRG while they were at prairie last year and they looked like good hs players who were not future B1G players - I sincerely hope I was wrong or they really are developing this year PS Kenyon was an awesome Hawkeye - wish we had his caliber of athleticism and defense these days!

Athletic prep.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Also, not meaning to dog on a pair of probably nice kids, but all I saw of them previously was a segment on KCRG while they were at prairie last year and they looked like good hs players who were not future B1G players - I sincerely hope I was wrong or they really are developing this year PS Kenyon was an awesome Hawkeye - wish we had his caliber of athleticism and defense these days!

When people doubt the Murray twins--and I know absolutely nothing about them--I remember my first impressions of Aaron White and Devyn Marble in Iowa uniforms. I thought they were two of the worst alleged basketball players I had ever seen. They were gangly, weak, uncoordinated, and an embarrassment to college basketball. But they both turned out pretty well.

People are often too quick to judge. Give these Murray kids a chance. Heck, give everyone a chance. They may not be finished products at first, but the key is to see beyond the now and project the possibilities.

My guess is that Kenyon Murray's kids will, eventually, have everyone wondering how Iowa was able to steal those kids away from the blue bloods.

 

[SSG T]

I will play the dumb card here and admit I don't understand these prep schools. So all these kids have graduated high school and are playing at what appears to be an AAU type level? Are they taking college prep classes and auditioning for college scholarships or is the prep part just hoops-related? Are these kids that had no / few offers out of high school and believe with another year in a structured environment can improve their games?

There are two kinds. There are prep schools that are essentially private high schools. Then there are post grad, meaning they have already graduated. Some places have both.

Now, what the Murrays are doing are neither. It's not a school, it's a basketball academy, though IIRC, the academy has a deal with a local college to take some basic, core type classes (like what HS students do with local CCs). They are there purely to work on basketball. I would assume they are taking classes part time to get some gen ed out of the way, though.

 

[DodgerHawki]

When people doubt the Murray twins--and I know absolutely nothing about them--I remember my first impressions of Aaron White and Devyn Marble in Iowa uniforms. I thought they were two of the worst alleged basketball players I had ever seen. They were gangly, weak, uncoordinated, and an embarrassment to college basketball. But they both turned out pretty well.

People are often too quick to judge. Give these Murray kids a chance. Heck, give everyone a chance. They may not be finished products at first, but the key is to see beyond the now and project the possibilities.

My guess is that Kenyon Murray's kids will, eventually, have everyone wondering how Iowa was able to steal those kids away from the blue bloods.

Everyone is different. I thought both White and Marble could play from the first time I saw them in PTL. White played extremely hard and wasn't afraid, had "moxie," was a legitimate 6-8 or 6-9 and a good athlete. Marble was legitimate 6-6 and could dribble, move and knew how to play. Those are good ingredients.

What the Murray brothers have going for them is their size and skill. Athletically, if they are getting there then they can be good Big 10 players.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

I've watched the one game posted on here and liked that at 6'8 both seemed much more than average 3 point shooters, with pretty good handles and willingness to play inside and battle for rebounds. Still would like to have Jamari Sibley added in the spring to this class if that's an option.

 

[owenhawk]

When people doubt the Murray twins--and I know absolutely nothing about them--I remember my first impressions of Aaron White and Devyn Marble in Iowa uniforms. I thought they were two of the worst alleged basketball players I had ever seen. They were gangly, weak, uncoordinated, and an embarrassment to college basketball. But they both turned out pretty well.

People are often too quick to judge. Give these Murray kids a chance. Heck, give everyone a chance. They may not be finished products at first, but the key is to see beyond the now and project the possibilities.

My guess is that Kenyon Murray's kids will, eventually, have everyone wondering how Iowa was able to steal those kids away from the blue bloods.

Impossible. Fran has never helped any players improve during their time.

 

[El Simbolo]

I thought both White and Marble could play from the first time I saw them in PTL. White played extremely hard and wasn't afraid, had "moxie," was a legitimate 6-8 or 6-9 and a good athlete.

Agreed on White! Didn’t he join the starting lineup very early on his freshman year.

 

[perryhawk]

Kenyon Murray@PHawkKenyon
https://twitter.com/PHawkKenyon/status/1198384863130337280


Official stats @keegan3murray 35pts (14-22 fg, 7-13 3ptr) 8reb. @KrisMurray24 18pts (5-10 fg, 3-7 3ptr, 5-5 ft) 9reb. Meechie Terry 11pts, 10asts and 4reb.


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[HawkLogic]

Impossible. Fran has never helped any players improve during their time.

He's coached Connor for 20 years and Connor shoots/scores the ball just as well as Fran did in college. In general, players develop their own offensive game. Defense is where coach can really make a difference and well, we know Fran's team's defenses usually are below average.

 

[Kurt Warner]

He's coached Connor for 20 years and Connor shoots/scores the ball just as well as Fran did in college. In general, players develop their own offensive game. Defense is where coach can really make a difference and well, we know Fran's team's defenses usually are below average.

I agree with this that players develope their own game. I don't think fran had much to do with marble/ white improving at all. It's more of them maturing and improving their game on their own.

 

[perryhawk]

I agree with this that players develope their own game. I don't think fran had much to do with marble/ white improving at all. It's more of them maturing and improving their game on their own.

I have a different perspective.....I think a coach, like a teacher, can teach and provide a method and a venue for improvement. How much the student/player is able to take advantage of that teaching varies quite a bit. We could argue about the amount of influence that a coach/teacher has but to say ". I don't think fran had much to do with marble/ white improving at all." I don't believe that is accurate.

Do teachers/coaches vary in their abilities to teach? Obviously.....I can even say that Dr. Tom (and staff) along with Kirk (and staff-think R Morgan) appear to be better teachers than Fran, but not every player those two coaches had in their program for 4/5 years improved at the same rate or to the extent that others did. If it was all about the player it wouldn't matter what coach they chose in terms of individual development.

 

[RocknRollface]

Athletic prep.

But also for players who don't academically qualify out of highschool.

Doesn't seem like that's as big of a thing anymore though.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

They both seem to be tearing it up on the court. I would like to see some complete game stats, but cannot find any... Has anyone had any luck finding box scores??

Kenyon Murray@PHawkKenyon


Official stats @keegan3murray 35pts (14-22 fg, 7-13 3ptr) 8reb. @KrisMurray24 18pts (5-10 fg, 3-7 3ptr, 5-5 ft) 9reb. Meechie Terry 11pts, 10asts and 4reb.


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[owenhawk]

I agree with this that players develope their own game. I don't think fran had much to do with marble/ white improving at all. It's more of them maturing and improving their game on their own.

That’s fine. Then we shouldn’t be hearing how Fran isn’t developing players when players like Moss or Uhl don’t get better. It’s in them, not Fran correct? I don’t have any problem with that. But it has to go both ways.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Obviously the coach has a great deal to do with player development and in numerous ways. Iowa has had too many 3* recruits leave campus as 1st team all Big Ten to attribute the entire basis of the improvement to simple individual player development.

What the staff needs is a coach that can coach defense. Almost like a defensive coordinator. Were I McC I'd find the hottest young defensive thinker and give him a try. What we're doing now isn't working. While we've gotten better the last couple seasons, coming off a historically bad defensive season the improvement isn't good enough or fast enough.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

He's coached Connor for 20 years and Connor shoots/scores the ball just as well as Fran did in college. In general, players develop their own offensive game. Defense is where coach can really make a difference and well, we know Fran's team's defenses usually are below average.

you think D1 coaches hang out with their kids a lot?

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Obviously the coach has a great deal to do with player development and in numerous ways. Iowa has had too many 3* recruits leave campus as 1st team all Big Ten to attribute the entire basis of the improvement to simple individual player development.

What the staff needs is a coach that can coach defense. Almost like a defensive coordinator. Were I McC I'd find the hottest young defensive thinker and give him a try. What we're doing now isn't working. While we've gotten better the last couple seasons, coming off a historically bad defensive season the improvement isn't good enough or fast enough.

I'm in! Having a coach as a D-coordinator, whose focus is all defense would be a very good thing IMHO. Seemed to work well for John Beilein