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Nate Silver model points towards Trump as probabilistic favorite

Pa. is the whole ballgame as it stands now.
Trump is going to be very tough to beat in Pa.
Going to be razor thin margin if Harris does pull it out.
Fire up the lawyers from Nov 5 to Jan 6 ...fing rerun.
Hope Harris does not end up regretting passing on Shapiro as VP.
 
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Pa. is the whole ballgame as it stands now.
Trump is going to be very tough to beat in Pa.
Going to be razor thin margin if Harris does pull it out.
Fire up the lawyers from Nov 5 to Jan 6 ...fing rerun.
Hope Harris does not end up regretting passing on Shapiro as VP.
Pittsburgh and Philly says, hold on, we aren't going anywhere, and it ain't toward Corrupt Filthy DON. Same with Erie, Harrisburg and Scranton and the 1000s of educated women.
 
I am optimistic Harris will do well in November. I have several family members who have been reliable straight ticket GOP voters their whole lives that say they aren't voting this year. If that is even remotely close to the mindset of other reasonable conservatives Trump is going to have a hard time. That said, everyone needs to get out and vote to make sure it's not even close.
 
I am optimistic Harris will do well in November. I have several family members who have been reliable straight ticket GOP voters their whole lives that say they aren't voting this year. If that is even remotely close to the mindset of other reasonable conservatives Trump is going to have a hard time. That said, everyone needs to get out and vote to make sure it's not even close.
Its really very simple, if Philly turns out big, the dems do well. They did not turn out in 2000, for Clinton, as everyone thought she had it in the bag.
 
He's in the bag for Trump. His forecast makes no sense otherwise.

I think it's like betting against your favorite team. If they win, you lost the bet but they won. If they lose, your team lost but you cash in. Win/win for him no matter the results this time
 
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I think if the election were held today Harris wins.

Election depends on what happens between now and Nov 5. All kinds of unforeseen shoes could drop between now and then.
I can’t think of another election where I had less of a feel for the outcome. And frankly, feels eerily like 2016 where I felt she should win, but I couldn’t shake that feeling about Trump…

Next weeks debate might be the most consequential one in my life honestly; and I’m not sure who needs it more.
 
2016 white educated suburban women came out strong for Thump, and they turned on him in 2020. It doesn't take much to lose an election when one large group turns on you. And he hasn't done a damn thing to get them back.
 
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I am optimistic Harris will do well in November. I have several family members who have been reliable straight ticket GOP voters their whole lives that say they aren't voting this year. If that is even remotely close to the mindset of other reasonable conservatives Trump is going to have a hard time. That said, everyone needs to get out and vote to make sure it's not even close.
Conservatives are going to stay home to help usher in Marxist policies with Kamala?
 
538 still has Kamala +3.

History shows not much changes between Labor Day and Election Day.
Well, unless you can convince James Comey to renew the Hillary investigation!

But...it's still Pennsylvania!
 
All he has to do is win PA and Georgia. The race is very close there and plenty of polls show trump up slightly.

Harris could win by the popular vote by a larger margin than Clinton and still lose the election.
There is little doubt Harris will win the popular vote by a comfortable margin. This point to the real flaw in the American election system…Minority Presidents making permanent and long term appointments (Supreme Court for example) that really do not reflect the will and the desires of the nation. Check out the SC appointments made since 2000 by Republican Presidents vs. appointments made by Dem Presidents…Republicans have won only 1 popular election (2004) since 1992, and they have made the vast majority of the SC nominations/appointments. It’s a major reason for the split that has affected this nation the past 20 years.
 
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Labor Day parade in Pittsburgh this year was the largest in the country. We had 12 unions show up and march and rallies after the parade. We had every dem politician show up they gave their speeches. Joe and Harris showed, but not Filthy DON who tells us he is a huge union supporter.
 
There is little doubt Harris will win the popular vote by a comfortable margin. This point to the real flaw in the American election system…Minority Presidents making permanent and long term appointments (Supreme Court for example) that really do not reflect the will and the desires of the nation. Check out the SC appointments made since 2000 by Republican Presidents vs. appointments made by Dem Presidents…Republicans have won only 1 popular election (2004) since 1992, and they have made a cast majority if the SC nominations/appointments. It’s a major reason for the split that has affected this nation the past 20 years.
If you can't win the popular vote, no way you should be able to select a SCOTUS.
 
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Conservatives are going to stay home to help usher in Marxist policies with Kamala?
No, reasonable conservatives are going to sit out this year and hold their noses through a 4 year term of Harris in hopes that in 2028 their party can put up a better candidate who has not made dictatorial statements, isn't a felon and isn't out to enrich himself at the expense of our democracy.

I'd also ask how Harris has "Marxist" policies, but I assume you will spit out the same tired, debunked old arguments that are more hyperbole than anything. I won't bother to ask you to defend your statement because you can't or you won't. That really only leaves you the other plays in your troll playbook, that would be to attack me or just ignore this response. Which will it be?
 
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9/10 is my mom’s birthday…she was born in 1920 and a great Roosevelt Democrat…if she has her way, Trump will shat his pants on stage that evening. Much to her delight.
Happy heavenly birthday.
 
He's in the bag for Trump. His forecast makes no sense otherwise.
His forecast makes perfect sense if you aren’t delusional. Harris’s popular vote lead is down to 3%. Florida and Ohio are no longer toss-up states but are solid red. A significant number of Trump voters won’t admit it, even in an anonymous poll, which is why he always does better than the polls predict.
 
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As far as I can tell he is the only model having Trump up.
Public polls are mainly about perception shaping. A lot of people want to be in the herd, and want to know where the herd is.

When campaigns and PACs are running their own polls they don’t accept the oversampling we find in publicized polls.


Next weeks debate might be the most consequential one in my life honestly; and I’m not sure who needs it more.

I don’t know, that debate knocking Biden out will be hard to top.
 
I am optimistic Harris will do well in November. I have several family members who have been reliable straight ticket GOP voters their whole lives that say they aren't voting this year. If that is even remotely close to the mindset of other reasonable conservatives Trump is going to have a hard time. That said, everyone needs to get out and vote to make sure it's not even close.
I think this is really the key point - which candidate really gets voters to the poll, and in which direction? Evangelicals aren’t voting Harris, but how many of them have been turned off by Trump’s comments regarding abortion and will they be as motivated to get out the vote? How many people will be particularly motivated to go vote for the candidate under 70? I can’t imagine there are many people sitting around still debating whether to vote Harris or Trump.
 
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Public polls are mainly about perception shaping. A lot of people want to be in the herd, and want to know where the herd is.

When campaigns and PACs are running their own polls they don’t accept the oversampling we find in publicized polls.




I don’t know, that debate knocking Biden out will be hard to top.
Good point. Only counter I have is that debate becomes less consequential if Trump wins in November after all, as he was favored to do before that debate.
 
Public polls are mainly about perception shaping. A lot of people want to be in the herd, and want to know where the herd is.

When campaigns and PACs are running their own polls they don’t accept the oversampling we find in publicized polls.

You're another one who is delusional, just the other direction. The idea that ALL polling companies are not using long-understood statistics to adjust their raw results in order to get the most accurate results possible is hilarious.

Campaign and PAC polls? Lol. More often than not these are "push" polls designed to influence opinions, not measure them.
 
I can’t think of another election where I had less of a feel for the outcome. And frankly, feels eerily like 2016 where I felt she should win, but I couldn’t shake that feeling about Trump…

Next weeks debate might be the most consequential one in my life honestly; and I’m not sure who needs it more.
The spookiest bit in all of this is trying to accurately gauge Trump support. It's been underestimated the past two elections. We're left only to hope that they've figured it out this time around. (and from what I can assess, it's hard to have confidence that this has been achieved)

Plus, as Silver noted, the topsy turvy nature of this race isn't exactly helping. (to form solid predictions)

Low confidence on this one.
 
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His forecast makes perfect sense if you aren’t delusional. Harris’s popular vote lead is down to 3%. Florida and Ohio are no longer toss-up states but are solid red. A significant number of Trump voters won’t admit it, even in an anonymous poll, which is why he always does better than the polls predict.
I regret I only have 5 votes for Harris…and 5 valid Iowa Voter IDs!
 
The spookiest bit in all of this is trying to accurately gauge Trump support. It's been underestimated the past two elections. We're left only to hope that they've figured it out this time around. (and from what I can assess, it's hard to have confidence that this has been achieved)

Plus, as Silver noted, the topsy turvy nature of this race isn't exactly helping. (to form solid predictions)

Low confidea
Do you have more confidence in Harris winning in November, or UIowa averaging 21 points a game this football season?
 
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