NATO toast?

[wilson reborn]

Sounds like Trump and Putin cutting a deal on Ukraine in Saudi Arabia next week.
Europeans not invited. Europeans holding an emergency NATO meeting without the US next week? It seems to be a matter of time.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

It may come to that.

It seems as if shared values are decreasing by the day. Americans are mostly center-right while Europe has turned decidedly left.

 

[Chishawk1425]

It may come to that.

It seems as if shared values are decreasing by the day. Americans are mostly center-right while Europe has turned decidedly left.

 

[wilson reborn]

It may come to that.

It seems as if shared values are decreasing by the day. Americans are mostly center-right while Europe has turned decidedly left.

Vance aligned himself with the German far right yesterday. It’s no wonder the Europeans
are panicked.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

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Oh, he's far, far worse than that.

 

[goldmom]

Sounds like Trump and Putin cutting a deal on Ukraine in Saudi Arabia next week.
Europeans not invited. Europeans holding an emergency NATO meeting without the US next week? It seems to be a matter of time.

So then it sounds like only the NATO members who are current in their dues can attend the emergency meeting…

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

MAGA and Trump sold this country out to Putin and a few billion.

 

[thewop]

Sounds like Trump and Putin cutting a deal on Ukraine in Saudi Arabia next week.
Europeans not invited. Europeans holding an emergency NATO meeting without the US next week? It seems to be a matter of time.

Ukraine isn't in NATO and neither is Russia... These things aren't related.

Personally I wish Trump would just stay out of the Ukraine/Russia negotiations and let them figure it out with Europe, but I guess we put more money in than anyone else and we'll want a piece of the outcome.

My guess... we'll have a base in Ukraine when this is done.

 

[wilson reborn]

So then it sounds like only the NATO members who are current in their dues can attend the emergency meeting…

Don’t overthink this Goldie. It goes beyond
stale talking points.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

It may come to that.

It seems as if shared values are decreasing by the day. Americans are mostly center-right while Europe has turned decidedly left.

No America is not mostly center right. It is a pretty balanced spectrum. Trump has a bit over 50% approval and that is only because a bunch of feckless independents who aren’t tuned in like the tweets. Let’s not pretend Trump has “most” of us supporting him.

 

[goldmom]

Don’t overthink this Goldie. It goes beyond
stale talking points.

Well damn. We got us a real f’n genius who can go beyond “stale talking points”.
I notice you don’t dispute them as the truth, do you?

 

[1inamillion]

No America is not mostly center right. It is a pretty balanced spectrum. Trump has a bit over 50% approval and that is only because a bunch of feckless independents who aren’t tuned in like the tweets. Let’s not pretend Trump has “most” of us supporting him.

No need to pretend. Dems are the party of no Commonsense. Bill maher gave the dems this nickname..

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Ukraine isn't in NATO and neither is Russia... These things aren't related.

Personally I wish Trump would just stay out of the Ukraine/Russia negotiations and let them figure it out with Europe, but I guess we put more money in than anyone else and we'll want a piece of the outcome.

Ukraine has put more into this than anyone else yet have no seat at the table where their future is being "negotiated". There is no "Ukraine/Russia negotiations". And you and yours are ok with that in deference to Vladimir Putin.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Ukraine isn't in NATO and neither is Russia... These things aren't related.

Personally I wish Trump would just stay out of the Ukraine/Russia negotiations and let them figure it out with Europe, but I guess we put more money in than anyone else and we'll want a piece of the outcome.

My guess... we'll have a base in Ukraine when this is done.

 

[wilson reborn]

Well damn. We got us a real f’n genius who can go beyond “stale talking points”.
I notice you don’t dispute them as the truth, do you?

Well I do. But let’s not fight. My New Years Resolution is to get along with MAGAs

 

[goldmom]

Well I do. But let’s not fight. My New Years Resolution is to get along with MAGAs

No, let’s not. 🤣
If I run across any MAGAS I’ll be sure to let them know.

 

[Kelsers]

Well damn. We got us a real f’n genius who can go beyond “stale talking points”.
I notice you don’t dispute them as the truth, do you?

They walk amongst us.

 

[BrunoMars420]

I’m more of a peanut butter toast guy

 

[uihawk82]

Ukraine has put more into this than anyone else yet have no seat at the table where their future is being "negotiated". There is no "Ukraine/Russia negotiations". And you and yours are ok with that in deference to Vladimir Putin.

The Ukrainians have said they wont do a deal where they are not involved and if they are getting screwed.

Trump cant suck putins "mike johnson" with Zelensky in the room which is why putin-trump meeting in secret.

 

[uihawk82]

Sounds like Trump and Putin cutting a deal on Ukraine in Saudi Arabia next week.
Europeans not invited. Europeans holding an emergency NATO meeting without the US next week? It seems to be a matter of time.

This will be fun to watch

 

[Jerome Silberman]

This will be fun to watch

 

[Scruddy]

Trump was pretty clear about multiple meetings being required to wind this down and the Saudis Arabia meeting was meant to be a neutral ground spot to get conversations going on this. He said he'd have 1 on 1 meetings with zalenski separately before all parties meet at the table together. Trump wants mineral rights to recoup the money the us tax payer "gifted" them

 

[wilson reborn]

This will be fun to watch

If you’re into horror flicks

 

[noleclone2]

Donald Trump is a Russian asset and always has been. Pepperidge Farm still remembers Helsinki and how he behaved towards Putin then along with threatening NATO constantly his first term.

Musk is too. They are both massively morally corrupt people and compromised.

 

[seminole97]

Donald Trump is a Russian asset and always has been. Pepperidge Farm still remembers Helsinki and how he behaved towards Putin then along with threatening NATO constantly his first term.

Musk is too. They are both massively morally corrupt people and compromised.

Told them to quit neglecting the agreement, made a decade earlier, to spend more for their own defense.

 

[wilson reborn]

Told them to quit neglecting the agreement, made a decade earlier, to spend more for their own defense.

You’re equating an accounting issue with the destruction of the NATO alliance?

 

[fredjr82]

No, let’s not. 🤣
If I run across any MAGAS I’ll be sure to let them know.

I can't believe this moron still claims to not be MAGA. Senile or just dumb? Both?

 

[goldmom]

I can't believe this moron still claims to not be MAGA. Senile or just dumb? Both?

I never get tired of your insightful and intelligent comments.

 

[fredjr82]

I never get tired of your insightful and intelligent comments.

Thanks hon! Be thankful for your wiggle and giggle. Intelligence or being insightful was never a value of yours.

 

[seminole97]

You’re equating an accounting issue with the destruction of the NATO alliance?

'Accounting issue'?

You think you snap fingers and have an army, or an air force?
It's years and years of sufficient investment to create military.
I don't know why you feel it important to obfuscate what Trump called out, which was their neglect of their agreement, and their duty to be able to protect their own citizens from the threats on their doorstep, not ours.
We don't have a huge military to protect us from Canada and Mexico, we have it to protect Europe, South Korea, Japan, and Middle Eastern nations. They can damn sure carry their share of the cost.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Goodbye NATO, Hello NETO
Goodbye free and unfettered intelligence and access to airspace, hello to a self owned **** up leading to a less safe U.S. of A.

 

[lucas80]

So then it sounds like only the NATO members who are current in their dues can attend the emergency meeting…

NATO doesn't have dues. It's weird that someone who has posted recently about her own father's experiences in WW2 is so ignorant of European pitching in a little against Hitler, and during the Cold War.

 

[wilson reborn]

'Accounting issue'?

You think you snap fingers and have an army, or an air force?
It's years and years of sufficient investment to create military.
I don't know why you feel it important to obfuscate what Trump called out, which was their neglect of their agreement, and their duty to be able to protect their own citizens from the threats on their doorstep, not ours.
We don't have a huge military to protect us from Canada and Mexico, we have it to protect Europe, South Korea, Japan, and Middle Eastern nations. They can damn sure carry their share of the cost.

You either believe in the NATO alliance or you
don’t. You don’t. The NATO alliance is in fatal condition. Don’t hide behind your bullshit numbers

 

[lucas80]

It may come to that.

It seems as if shared values are decreasing by the day. Americans are mostly center-right while Europe has turned decidedly left.

Which NATO nation has gone the farthest left in the last 10 years?

 

[seminole97]

You either believe in the NATO alliance or you
don’t. You don’t. The NATO alliance is in fatal condition. Don’t hide behind your bullshit numbers

That's just it, the numbers aren't bullshit, they're objective evidence of the European's neglect of their duties, and their reliance on putting a disproportionate burden on American citizens.
If you 'believe in the NATO alliance' do you make an agreement in 2006 to increase defense spending to 2% and by 2014 find only three members having done so? In 2023 it was still only 10 members meeting the 2% agreement. Not even half!
You shouldn't need to guess who one of those members was in 2014.

 

[wilson reborn]

That's just it, the numbers aren't bullshit, they're objective evidence of the European's neglect of their duties, and their reliance on putting a disproportionate burden on American citizens.
If you 'believe in the NATO alliance' do you make an agreement in 2006 to increase defense spending to 2% and by 2014 find only three members having done so? In 2023 it was still only 10 members meeting the 2% agreement. Not even half!
You shouldn't need to guess who one of those members was in 2014.

You’re an accountant. You don’t get the big picture, or you are willfully ignorant it.

 

[Colonoscopy]

It may come to that.

It seems as if shared values are decreasing by the day. Americans are mostly center-right while Europe has turned decidedly left.

Which does nothing to explain Ukraine...

 

[seminole97]

You’re an accountant. You don’t get the big picture, or you willfully ignorant it.

The equipment that the European armies presently lack, how do you think that is rectified?
You think they just walk outside and pick them like flowers?

 

[Tom Paris]

So then it sounds like only the NATO members who are current in their dues can attend the emergency meeting…

Hey!! She believes Donald Trump again!!! You. Never. Learn.

 

[Tom Paris]

No need to pretend. Dems are the party of no Commonsense. Bill maher gave the dems this nickname..

You side with a country that has been our enemy for 75 years. Don’t lecture us about common sense. Incredible how you’ve fallen in line under a serial sexual assaulter.