NATO toast?
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So is Trump Hitler or Neville Chamberlain? I’m having trouble keeping track of you people’s talking points?
If NATO falls on Trump’s watch he owns it. Fvck him
It’s disgusting any western leader is considering to meet with putin. It’s ****ing traitorous ours is.
European deep states need to get deep stating. Maybe collaboration with some of our old guard deep state.
Like the libs harping on the words constitutional crisis whenever their corruption is exposed?
Most support his positions, and would support anyone who would take those positions and actually act on them.
The independent voter is mostly interested in common sense government, and in that respect they're more tuned in than either those in the far right or far left, who live in echo chambers.
Trump took initiative to prioritize fixing government waste, and chose other very popular positions to highlight such as protecting women and girls in sports. He knows the left and MSM will automatically oppose anything he does, so his popularity grows even more as they try to convince the public these common sense positions are part of some sinister fascist takeover...
It sounds ridiculous to anyone but the far left, and that's why Trump's popularity is at record highs, and "democrat" popularity is at record lows, even though many who identify as democrat are in fact supportive of Trump's more popular positions here.
I mean, Putin has been charged as a war criminal. How can you work with that person?
I wouldn't even take his call unless he abdicated his job.
So isolation is the answer?
Joe’s Ukraine war was a failure. It took many lives, and cost the U.S. $200 billion+.
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You’re too ****ing stupid to answer. Ignore button. ✌🏻
This is Nazi talk. We're now teammates with Russia and China? And that's ok because Trump is a commie?
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You are so drunk on the kool aid you can’t even see reality. No most Americans don’t support his positions. A majority of Americans support a few of his positions in general (tighter borders, no biological men in women’s sports). But there are huge areas where he lacks support. Notably In polling this past week only 37% supported tariffs.
Donald Trump is riding the normal popularity boost every candidate gets when they enter office. I have always said you have to give it a few months before people realize he isn’t making their lives better. Let’s check in around May/June on his rating shall we. Biden had higher approval ratings at the same point of his presidency than Trump has now - higher than 50% in approval through September in his first year. Then it fell into the fourties.
A mediocre President had higher ratings than your boy at the same point and y’all are declaring victory. It’s going to be interesting around here when America wakes up later this year.
Where do you place Reagan on the left-center-right spectrum?
This is how they operate. They will not acknowledge low approval ratings when they happen and in fact, Trump will go out of his way to punish media that reports on that.
i’m beginning to suspect that this peace deal will end with russia getting territorial gains but nato expands ie ukraine will become a nato member. eu will then militarize but peace will be established for the foreseeable future. might be the most stable situation that can be achieved. thoughts?
Based on everything being said, it certainly seems like the US will veto Ukraine being added to NATO. I am pretty pessimistic at this point about it all. Russia will keep everything it illegally took. Europe will arm Ukraine as necessary to keep it very hard to invade in the future. Russia recharges for the remainder of Trump's administration.
trump i think has his eye on rare earth and minerals deals for usa and such investments will require a security guarantee for ukr. that’s why i predict in exchange for territory nato membership for ukr gets ratified. i do agree it sounds ridonculous at present.
Didn't russia already steal and occupy the Ukraine land with mineral deposits?
true but i think the rare earths are under ukr control
You really don’t know, do you?
The US sells weapons. Other people test them.
No aid is given without a price, military and food, as well as others.
Eventually, you have to actually talk to your adversaries. 😉
For someone who pretends he has an understanding of the business world you seem ignorant of how to evaluate a program and make adjustments without harming the overall mission.
I can just imagine you with your brow all furrowed trying to find a supportive article to your moronic statement, not finding one, then hiding from your moronic statement.
Yes, from a position of strength. On your knees with their dick in our mouth isn't a great negotiating style.
Do you think that the Trump admin should have waited to negotiate before actually meeting? No to NATO, Ukraine must cede land taken by a Russian invasion and Ukraine will need to pay the USA for this. This honestly doesn't feel like a negotiation. Do you disagree?
It seems like that, but Trump is for sale. Getting mineral rights is probably the price Trump will want use to sell it. All of this is slimy as shit.
The more I read the more I think this is true. He asked for 50% but would probably take 10%. The upshot for Ukraine is that if they cut the deal we will protect our investment. Truly mob tactics.
What percentage of German army tanks are American made?
What percentage of French army tanks are American made?
What percentage of British army tanks are American made?
I can do the same run through on planes and helicopters.
We share calibers so we can swap ammunition, but what percentage of European NATO members do you think use the M-16?
There’s a MIC in almost every country.
You’re thinking of things like the ‘aid’ to Egypt and Israel, where US taxpayer money buys them US made hardware. But even Egypt is locally producing M1s. Yeah, the US MIC gets the licensing profits (from the US taxpayer!), but we don’t even get the jobs here.
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