The NCAA needs to do something about these coaches that are constantly on the court when the ball is in play. Watching Wisky and the VT coach is always in the court, typically 2-3 Steps, and never in the "coaches" box. At some point something needs to be done. Fines, technicals, something. OK rant for the day is now over.
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Boroski needed to be tripped, but it just enforces my point.
That's the way it should be. Sorry but the ticky tack BS needs to stop. If your players aren't strong enough to play through contact, you need stronger players
While I agree with you, I would also say that it's important that fouls are called when the contact gives one team a advantage. Contact with no advantage gained should not be called.
I also don't like a lot of whistles, but there have been several take downs not called. BB is not wrestling.
I hope you're not one of our whiny bitch fans that constantly say Wisconsin and MSU are always getting away with clutching, grabbing, and whatever else prohibits free movement.
Nope. Players need to be strong with the ball. I will say this that every game is different and players have to adjust to the way the game is being called. Frans teams are "Finesse" teams and can't play in a contact game. If teams get up tight, they wilt.
I agree, was kidding with you but meant to take a swipe at the whiny crowd.
Or, and I'll just throw this out there, we could all play by the rules of basketball and not have every game descend into a hold, slap and grab fest.
Or don't make it a point of emphasis like last year. Then call it all non conference and completely disregard the rules during B1G play.
All you can really ask for is consistency. During the game for both teams and during the season as well.
Agree for a time there VT was going to the free throw line every possession. They were driving to the hoop but still seemed to me Whisky couldn't breathe on them without getting called. The one that stood out was when the BY player used the ball to push Happ away so he could shoot. Happ was straight up hands up got hit in the chest with the ball and was called. Curious
This is the #1 complaint I hear from people. I agree that sometimes one thing is called and on the other end nothing. I just think these guy are out there trying their best. I mean officials no matter who they are, do not go into a game thinking "I'm gonna screw this team." Sorry most officials do not work/think like that. There are officials who have "bad games" and hell no one is perfect. Ive reffed some crappy games in my day. It happens and no one feels worse than the official.
It's always been that way. I remember when ISU lost a close second-round game to Kentucky in '92, Pitino spent more time on the court -- several steps on the court -- than on the bench. Orr went nuts in the post-game interview.
I remember that game and Orr had every right to go nuts. There is a coaches box for a reason and the coaches need to be held accountable when they are outside that. At some point they are going to be on the court and get caught in the action. Yes I understand there will be a Technical called, but what if that action injures a player significantly. Something that should not and would not have happened had the coach been where he was supposed to be. Yes, injures can and will happen in basketball, but those types are preventable.
Isn't there a rule in High School basketball, at least in Iowa, that the coaches have to sit during the game and can only stand up when there is a time out or they will be given a bench Technical? That's the way it should be in College as well. Get rid of the need for a coaches box and take all subjectivity away from a technical call as to whether the coach is outside the box or not. Sorry, I know I am ranting, but it just annoys me to see coaches on the court during play.
Yeah, let's just make it a free for all...like the anything goes games we used to play as kids. That would be fun. /sarcasm
I hate thugball. If I wanted to watch football, I'd go to a football game. They need to enforce the rules. I'd like to see them have a season with an emphasis on the rules with respect to coaches out of the box. One warning, then a T for every subsequent violation. One of the reasons that BB has become so physical is that the refs are afraid to make too many calls and the coaches work 'em hard and dare 'em to blow the whistle 60 times a game. It's gotten stupid and it ruins the game.
What advantage is the team gaining by having the coach on the floor? Is he going to shoot the ball? Is he going to steal it from the opposing player?? If the officials want them off they floor they will tell them. But to be honest it has zero effect on the outcome of the game. Its what officials call "nit-picken" and they do not need to do it.
Now if an official runs into said coach its an Automatic Technical. So those coaches are playing w/fire that are out on the floor. Also i believe if they contact a player it is as well a Technical foul.
I remember watching a small school game on Fox Sports and the coach was on the sideline yelling at his player. Well the pass went to the wing and an opposing player stole the pass and ran right into the coach. Knocked him down, the officials gave him a Technical for being on the floor and interfering with the game.
Now if an official runs into said coach its an Automatic Technical. So those coaches are playing w/fire that are out on the floor. Also i believe if they contact a player it is as well a Technical foul.
I remember watching a small school game on Fox Sports and the coach was on the sideline yelling at his player. Well the pass went to the wing and an opposing player stole the pass and ran right into the coach. Knocked him down, the officials gave him a Technical for being on the floor and interfering with the game.
I'm one of those and proud of it. It's true and it ruins the game IMO.
Officials are in a no win situation with you then. If they call too many fouls people say, "there's no flow to the game, the players can't get into rhythm, or my personal favorite LET THEM PLAY" BLAH BLAH.
If they swallow the whistle and let some stuff go, then all we hear is, "that's thug ball, its horrible." He's hacking him, its over the back (which is no such rule).
Every game is going to be officiate differently because some officials let the ticky tack stuff go and others call it. Those guys are under extreme pressure because they get reviewed for every call they make. So basically it "HAS" to be there in order for them to call it.
Iowa's problem is we have a "finesse" team and thats good when refs are calling fouls. Its not good when they let the little stuff go. Our team is not built to be physical or be bodied up against.
The problem with "letting them play" is that when they DO call a foul, it's by definition unfair because they've been letting stuff go.
That's where the players have to adjust. Get up on them until they call a foul. Most coaches will actually tell their players. Guard them as tight as possible, until they call a foul. Some officials will call the tick tack, other guys will let it go.
Im all for letting it go, if your team can't handle the contact and little arm slapping, then they need to get stronger. The extending the hands on post players just drives me crazy. Last night I saw guys in the NCAA throwing forearms into guy's backs? How is that any different than hands? I say just wipe all that crap from the rule book.
First, they're not in a no-win because I don't bitch about the flow. I want fouls called when the rules are broken. It won't take long before teams change the way they play to adjust to the rules actually being enforced. As it is, it's like speeding "nine you're fine, ten you're mine"... they let a ton of stuff go for the sake of "flow" and teams take advantage of it.
The way it is now, teams that put a bunch of huge thugs on the court have an advantage because they can just beat the crap out of teams and the refs quickly start swallowing their whistles. It's been MSU's MO for years and it's not fun to watch.
If you like it, more power to ya. It's not how the game was intended. Pretty soon they'll need helmets and pads.
So you're driving to the rim and I reach in, slapping down on your forearm making no contact with ball, which causes you to lose control of the ball forcing a turnover. You'd be cool with that and want that wiped away from the rule book as a foul? Where would you draw the line, forearm shivers, blows to face, kicks?
You went right past football and straight into the WWE. You think people complain too much about officiating now, it would be a lot worse with less rules and more WWE like arbitrary officiating.
Edit: I don't think any ref is dishonest or trying to make sure one team wins vs the other. I do believe that officials easily get caught up in the crowd and the coaches chirping their ears off. I also think that they have a long memory and hold grudges as well. Basketball is the hardest to officiate and I've got no problems with them missing a call or two, it happens.
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Officials called it much closer as the game went along. I thought the zebras kept VT in the game. They could have called 50 fouls on the VT dude with the headband, who liked to do his tough guy pose for the camera whenever he made a play. Happ was called for just standing there with his arms up. For Wisky to move on, Happ needs to come out of the funk he has been in for the last quarter of the season.
What bothers me is teams like West Virginia (or Cincinnati when Thuggins was there) that continually foul, knowing the refs aren't going to call everything.
Tom Izzo has perfected this method. Then when MSU does get called for something, Izzo puts on his little smirk face and has a little chat with that ref.
As much as I hated Keady and Knight, they were at least A-holes all of the time on the court. Not two faced like Izzo.
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What bothers me is if several teams routinely get away with it, why don't more do it?
There is no such thing as an "over the back" foul in basketball. A player may legally reach all the way over the top of another player and get a rebound. A foul only occurs when the player pushes or holds the player he is reaching over in order to gain advantage.
When the player rams into the rebounder and takes the ball away while shoving the player, that is an Over the Back foul. Despite claims to the contrary there is such a thing and it happens a lot.
The definition above which says there is no such thing goes on to describe reaching over the top. Nobody says that is a foul. It is the contact that makes it a foul.
When the player rams into the rebounder and takes the ball away while shoving the player, that is an Over the Back foul. Despite claims to the contrary there is such a thing and it happens a lot.
The definition above which says there is no such thing goes on to describe reaching over the top. Nobody says that is a foul. It is the contact that makes it a foul.
You're a ref? Please show us in the official basketball rule book where it says you're allowed to slap the arms of the opposing players.
you want every touch foul called? It will be like the non-conf was 2 years ago. Anyone remember that? Teams were averaging like 40FTA a game. There was zero flow to the game and coaches/players were getting upset. That was not basketball at all.
If you want a FT contest, go the knights of columbus. You want a basketball game, a little contact never hurt anyone. You want the players wrapped in bubble wrap before they go on the court?
I think we'll see a shift from that with our young post players. Cook and Pemsl are still learning to play through contact, but they have the right temperment. I think they and Garza, will be the ones doing most of the moving people around in the paint soon.
