Negatives that I see as positives....

[perryhawk]

First off the game last night. The Hawks lose by 8 points.

We gave up 91 points and lost by 8. I thought I read/heard somewhere that we gave up 46 points in either layups or dunks…not sure if that is the correct number, but think of that. If we play only slightly better defense and get stops on three of those possessions that is 6 fewer points. I think I heard that SH shot better than 60% from the field….wow, if we do a slightly better job and they “only” shoot 55%.

We missed 13 free throws……shooting under 60% from the line. Just think if we do only slightly better and hit 3 more free throws!

We had 17 turnovers……our two young point guards had their share of those. Williams dribbled into trouble for his, and Bohanan made poor passes for his. Just think if we do only slightly better and cut their 6 turnovers down to 3.

I think that it is reasonable to expect that all of these issues can and will be improved on. If we play slightly better defense (because after the opening few minutes it was terrible), trim our turnovers down to a reasonable number (maturity of point guards), and shoot our free throws at a slightly better rate (practice and confidence) this is a significantly improved team. Consequently I am very encouraged.

I love the fact that Fran said he would not blame these problems on youth…exactly the approach that a coach should take. That said, our free throw shooting and turnover problems were primarily based on the play of the inexperienced guys. Cook probably has nearly as much experience already as Wagner and if those two guys shoot anywhere close to their capabilities we may have won that game last night.

Peter Jok is an offensive stud (obviously) and played terrible defense against the dribble drive….he is long and reasonably quick, which to me means that he is capable of much better defense. Early in this game the entire team played better defense. 11 rebounds!

Dom Uhl…….I was pleased. He seemed to play a mature game. He did not force things for the most part. He did not make a lot of mistakes….I don’t think he needs to press to score more, etc…just let the game come to him and he will be fine.

Baer…..good stuff all around.

Cook….what else you gonna say, other than hit your free throws.

I really liked the fact that Moss got to see some playing time last night.

I think our point guards will be just fine as they continue to mature. I don’t believe that either of them played anywhere close to what they are capable of last night.

 

[DanL53]

Good points.

 

[ZumaHawk]

Valid points no doubt. In a different thread I commented how a team can play their guts out and lose the game at the FT line. SH didn't shoot well from the line either. We will get better on the Defensive side. Go Hawks!!

 

[perryhawk]

Trying to be as objective as I can, the defense I believe will improve BUT....as a huge fan of Fran's the defense we play has never been consistently a strength of his program. I read in another thread someone's comment that he needs to hire an assistant that can really coach defense....seems like a good idea.

 

[nu2u]

First off the game last night. The Hawks lose by 8 points.

We gave up 91 points and lost by 8. I thought I read/heard somewhere that we gave up 46 points in either layups or dunks…not sure if that is the correct number, but think of that. If we play only slightly better defense and get stops on three of those possessions that is 6 fewer points. I think I heard that SH shot better than 60% from the field….wow, if we do a slightly better job and they “only” shoot 55%.

We missed 13 free throws……shooting under 60% from the line. Just think if we do only slightly better and hit 3 more free throws!

We had 17 turnovers……our two young point guards had their share of those. Williams dribbled into trouble for his, and Bohanan made poor passes for his. Just think if we do only slightly better and cut their 6 turnovers down to 3.

I think that it is reasonable to expect that all of these issues can and will be improved on. If we play slightly better defense (because after the opening few minutes it was terrible), trim our turnovers down to a reasonable number (maturity of point guards), and shoot our free throws at a slightly better rate (practice and confidence) this is a significantly improved team. Consequently I am very encouraged.

I love the fact that Fran said he would not blame these problems on youth…exactly the approach that a coach should take. That said, our free throw shooting and turnover problems were primarily based on the play of the inexperienced guys. Cook probably has nearly as much experience already as Wagner and if those two guys shoot anywhere close to their capabilities we may have won that game last night.

Peter Jok is an offensive stud (obviously) and played terrible defense against the dribble drive….he is long and reasonably quick, which to me means that he is capable of much better defense. Early in this game the entire team played better defense. 11 rebounds!

Dom Uhl…….I was pleased. He seemed to play a mature game. He did not force things for the most part. He did not make a lot of mistakes….I don’t think he needs to press to score more, etc…just let the game come to him and he will be fine.

Baer…..good stuff all around.

Cook….what else you gonna say, other than hit your free throws.

I really liked the fact that Moss got to see some playing time last night.

I think our point guards will be just fine as they continue to mature. I don’t believe that either of them played anywhere close to what they are capable of last night.

I guess I'm going to ride the 3PT shooting argument for all its worth. As I stated in a pre-game thread, if Iowa hits a high percentage of 3PT shots they can definitely beat Seton Hall.

According to the box, Iowa finished 8-21 (38%) on 3s.. Not bad but they need to be minimum +40% against quality opponents IMO. I wasn't able to watch the game so I can't comment on shot selection but a little more than 1/3 of their shots were outside the arc. 21 is good number, may need to go higher? Not sure, accuracy is a bigger key. The Hawks should be there in any game where they are taking 20+ and making 40%+ as long as they can play half ass defense(reading the game summaries).

Jok 2-8.
He obviously can and will do better.

Cook 1-3
Baer 1-3
Uhl 1-2
I doubt Fran wants Tyler to shoot more 3s than Uhl and/or Baer. How was Cook's mid range shot? That's where he can do some damage IMO.

Williams 2-2
Ellingson 1-1
Very good sign for CW! Ellingson only played 5 minutes?

Bohannon 0-1
Trouble finding a good shot? Obviously, you want Jordan to shoot more 3PT FGs for 19 minutes.

Like I mentioned, did not watch the game, just analyzing the box scores. Need to knock down those 3s to get the upsets this year.

 

[33hawkfan]

I guess I'm going to ride the 3PT shooting argument for all its worth. As I stated in a pre-game thread, if Iowa hits a high percentage of 3PT shots they can definitely beat Seton Hall.

According to the box, Iowa finished 8-21 (38%) on 3s.. Not bad but they need to be minimum +40% against quality opponents IMO. I wasn't able to watch the game so I can't comment on shot selection but a little more than 1/3 of their shots were outside the arc. 21 is good number, may need to go higher? Not sure, accuracy is a bigger key. The Hawks should be there in any game where they are taking 20+ and making 40%+ as long as they can play half ass defense(reading the game summaries).

Jok 2-8.
He obviously can and will do better.

Cook 1-3
Baer 1-3
Uhl 1-2
I doubt Fran wants Tyler to shoot more 3s than Uhl and/or Baer. How was Cook's mid range shot? That's where he can do some damage IMO.

Williams 2-2
Ellingson 1-1
Very good sign for CW! Ellingson only played 5 minutes?

Bohannon 0-1
Trouble finding a good shot? Obviously, you want Jordan to shoot more 3PT FGs for 19 minutes.

Like I mentioned, did not watch the game, just analyzing the box scores. Need to knock down those 3s to get the upsets this year.

I don't think relying on a team to shoot 40% from 3 against quality competition is a good strategy. There were only 10 teams in the entire country that shot 40% from 3 last year.

 

[Quintana]

I guess I'm going to ride the 3PT shooting argument for all its worth. As I stated in a pre-game thread, if Iowa hits a high percentage of 3PT shots they can definitely beat Seton Hall.

According to the box, Iowa finished 8-21 (38%) on 3s.. Not bad but they need to be minimum +40% against quality opponents IMO. I wasn't able to watch the game so I can't comment on shot selection but a little more than 1/3 of their shots were outside the arc. 21 is good number, may need to go higher? Not sure, accuracy is a bigger key. The Hawks should be there in any game where they are taking 20+ and making 40%+ as long as they can play half ass defense(reading the game summaries).

Jok 2-8.
He obviously can and will do better.

Cook 1-3
Baer 1-3
Uhl 1-2
I doubt Fran wants Tyler to shoot more 3s than Uhl and/or Baer. How was Cook's mid range shot? That's where he can do some damage IMO.

Williams 2-2
Ellingson 1-1
Very good sign for CW! Ellingson only played 5 minutes?

Bohannon 0-1
Trouble finding a good shot? Obviously, you want Jordan to shoot more 3PT FGs for 19 minutes.

Like I mentioned, did not watch the game, just analyzing the box scores. Need to knock down those 3s to get the upsets this year.

when both bohannon and williams were in the game, who was running the point? if it was bohannon, I think that is a mistake. he should be the 2 in that lineup. imo

 

[nu2u]

I don't think relying on a team to shoot 40% from 3 against quality competition is a good strategy. There were only 10 teams in the entire country that shot 40% from 3 last year.

So what, there aren't 10 teams in the country that have better 3PT shooters than Iowa this year. I'm mostly kidding but the Hawkeyes now have more legitimate 3PT threats than any McCaffery team, maybe any Iowa team dating back a couple of decades. Yes, many of those shooters are young and inexperienced but the season is young. I believe Jok, Ellingson, Jones, Bohannon and possibly Williams, Baer and Uhl are capable of making 40% or more any night - find the hot hands and let 'em fly.

And 40% 3PT shooting correlates to a high level of success as indicated by the 10 2015-16 teams that you referenced earlier:

1 Michigan State 29-6.....B10 2nd.....NCAA Rd 2 (43.4%)
2 Oklahoma 29-8.....B12 3rd.....NCAA Final 4
3 SMU 25-5.....AAC 2nd.....NCAA ineligible
4 Indiana 27-8 ....B10 1st.....NCAA Rd 3
5 Kansas 33-5.....B12 1st.....NCAA Rd 4
6 St. Marys 29-6....WCC 1st.....NIT Rd 3
7 Wofford 15-17....T3rd Southern Conf.
8 North Florida 22-12....Atlantic Sun 1st..NIT Rd1
9 IPFW 24-10.....Summit 2nd.....NIT Rd1
10 Virginia 29-8.....ACC 2nd..... NCAA Rd 4

Iowa 22-11 (47th) 37.4%

 

[hawk-i bob]

posted in another thread that smiley face in the lane has had an impact stepping in front of penetration..drawing charges...playing some aspects of defending that use to be allowed.

rule changes alone have changed other aspects in playing defense ... the worse thing that can happen is for Peter Jok tobe sitting on the bench in foul trouble...be careful for what you ask for. Its not like we have another PJ sitting on the bench.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I guess I'm going to ride the 3PT shooting argument for all its worth. As I stated in a pre-game thread, if Iowa hits a high percentage of 3PT shots they can definitely beat Seton Hall.

According to the box, Iowa finished 8-21 (38%) on 3s.. Not bad but they need to be minimum +40% against quality opponents IMO. I wasn't able to watch the game so I can't comment on shot selection but a little more than 1/3 of their shots were outside the arc. 21 is good number, may need to go higher? Not sure, accuracy is a bigger key. The Hawks should be there in any game where they are taking 20+ and making 40%+ as long as they can play half ass defense(reading the game summaries).

Jok 2-8.
He obviously can and will do better.

Cook 1-3
Baer 1-3
Uhl 1-2
I doubt Fran wants Tyler to shoot more 3s than Uhl and/or Baer. How was Cook's mid range shot? That's where he can do some damage IMO.

Williams 2-2
Ellingson 1-1
Very good sign for CW! Ellingson only played 5 minutes?

Bohannon 0-1
Trouble finding a good shot? Obviously, you want Jordan to shoot more 3PT FGs for 19 minutes.

Like I mentioned, did not watch the game, just analyzing the box scores. Need to knock down those 3s to get the upsets this year.

I think the thing about CW vs JB as 3pt shooters is as it was in the summer. JB is the better shooter. However, he has trouble finding a shot vs bigger guards, something CW doesn't have as much trouble with being 6+" taller and much longer. So, while JB is the better shooter, CW may well end up with the better 3pt% this year because he's getting better looks.

 

[nu2u]

JB is the better shooter. However, he has trouble finding a shot vs bigger guards,

I guess he will have to launch then from 30 feet then Ellingson might fall into this category also.

As an armchair coach, I think the answer to creating more open shots (besides perimeter picks) is to increase the pace and push the ball at every available opportunity, especially after defensive rebounds. Isn't this the advantage of a deeper bench? Two or three passes, find the shooter, pull the trigger. Could be wrong but I believe at one time McCaffery utilized a high shot goal ...so many shots per game .... in an attempt to up the tempo. If you are going to play 6 or 7 off the bench, run.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I guess he will have to launch then from 30 feet then Ellingson might fall into this category also.

As an armchair coach, I think the answer to creating more open shots (besides perimeter picks) is to increase the pace and push the ball at every available opportunity, especially after defensive rebounds. Isn't this the advantage of a deeper bench? Two or three passes, find the shooter, pull the trigger. Could be wrong but I believe at one time McCaffery utilized a high shot goal ...so many shots per game .... in an attempt to up the tempo. If you are going to play 6 or 7 off the bench, run.

JB will have to find his looks in the motion O as BE is starting to learn how to do.

 

[perryhawk]

I guess I'm going to ride the 3PT shooting argument for all its worth. As I stated in a pre-game thread, if Iowa hits a high percentage of 3PT shots they can definitely beat Seton Hall.

According to the box, Iowa finished 8-21 (38%) on 3s.. Not bad but they need to be minimum +40% against quality opponents IMO. I wasn't able to watch the game so I can't comment on shot selection but a little more than 1/3 of their shots were outside the arc. 21 is good number, may need to go higher? Not sure, accuracy is a bigger key. The Hawks should be there in any game where they are taking 20+ and making 40%+ as long as they can play half ass defense(reading the game summaries).

Jok 2-8.
He obviously can and will do better.

Cook 1-3
Baer 1-3
Uhl 1-2
I doubt Fran wants Tyler to shoot more 3s than Uhl and/or Baer. How was Cook's mid range shot? That's where he can do some damage IMO.

Williams 2-2
Ellingson 1-1
Very good sign for CW! Ellingson only played 5 minutes?

Bohannon 0-1
Trouble finding a good shot? Obviously, you want Jordan to shoot more 3PT FGs for 19 minutes.

Like I mentioned, did not watch the game, just analyzing the box scores. Need to knock down those 3s to get the upsets this year.

nu2u here is where I am with the three point shooting part of things....and first, I am not a basketball expert, I'm usually wrong, I never played so this is just my best guess.

I think three point shooting is the X factor......I think as a coach you try to recruit good shooters, set up a system that they can be successful in, coach them on all aspects of it but in the end some nights your shots are falling and some nights they aren't. Hopefully the guy's you recruited and the system you have in place are good enough where they are hitting more often than not.

On the flip side those good shooters should be able to hit free throws at a high rate. There is no defense being played and as long as they practice consistently and shoot with confidence the opportunity to hit a high percentage is always there.

Turnovers are in the same boat.....identify where the ball handler is getting into trouble and correct the problem. Watch film, do drills, coach them up and you should be able to reduce the number of turnovers.

Same for defense....coach it right, push the effort, coordinate the team help and you should get consistent results with the occasional exceptional penetrating guard.

All that said, I really didn't say it very well.....I think that shooting the three for good shooters, has a lot to do with confidence or being in the groove. I don't think you can get a shooter to the bench and get in their face about turning up the effort like you can on defense. Same with decision making on turnovers.......free throws I think has a great deal to do with confidence as well, it's just that the player doesn't have the defensive pressure or the rush to get the shot off.......so, I think in the big picture you approach 3 point shooting (as a coach) with the idea that it is the X factor. You try to feed your guys confidence when you can and you don't mention it when the shots aren't going in.

I would love to hear from any coaches about their approach to this topic....how they handle it.

 

[DenverTurtle]

when both bohannon and williams were in the game, who was running the point? if it was bohannon, I think that is a mistake. he should be the 2 in that lineup. imo

Based on how JoBo's 3 straight TO's happened it seemed that JoBo was PG and Williams was SG, but with Fran's positionless basketball is there a difference?
I agree with you though that CW should be handling the ball there. JoBo is the better shooter and Williams is better off the dribble and much more of a threat to finish at the rim.