even after a solid win against a team with some talent and nothing to lose the negativity from the sweaty socks crowd is mind blowing
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- Thread starter Roy Ellefson
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Is this related to the Dr Pepper post?
Super happy for the win. Super confused why our starting pg didn't play the second half. Maybe he's hurt or sick.
legitimate question...wondering if he's hurt
I know right?? Who really cares what flavor it is or how much the commercials suck as long as it tastes good??
Here's an example of the thought process of a decent chunk of Iowa fans.
Pre-season - I don't see them winning more than 8-9 B1G games. If they finish above .500, Fran deserves COY.
Start of B1G play - I've been mildly surprised, I think they can steal 10 wins, finish mid-pack
End of B1G play - With all this talent, I have no idea how they only won 11 games, time for a coaching change.
Basically, they start with either no expectations or too high, then completely change during the season.
I get what you’re saying and you’re not wrong for many. I don’t know if I belong in the group you speak of or not, but for many it doesn’t matter if we end up 28-6 or 17-17–a lot of it rides on the “how did we get there?” aspect of the season, and that includes what Fran does.
Effort, improvement, progress, rotations, adjustments, teaching, etc all factor in to how I end up judging a season (not that my judgement matters to anyone), not just the record.
Because we don't have the guards to be a final four team.
Never understood posters like OPee. Start a positive post then instead of bringing in another layer of bitching.
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You do realize winning 8-9 B1G games is below average and nothing to be bragging about
Well losing 2 guys to the NBA with remaining eligibility, and 2 starters to transfer, yeah I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing.
Short term gain with possible long term consequences.
Hawks need to win a close road game. Maryland would be a great time to start. Hawks have a chance to move into the top half of the B1G over the next couple of weeks. We need defensive effort like the second half tonight, and one of the guards showing they can score to go with Keegan and Patrick. It would really help if Kris would get back into the flow on offense.
There are no unwinnable games for the rest of Feb, and Hawks will probably be favored in all but MSU, which will depend on how both teams play over the next couple of weeks. I am not suggesting that the Hawks are going to win out in Feb, but if they stay healthy, rebound, and play tough defense, it is not unreasonable to say that getting to 10-7 is very possible. With the difficulty of winning on the road, @Mary Land will be one of the greater challenges. That is a really big game to get some positive momentum and show that they can win on the road. The last two games in March are going to be very tough. Not rescheduling @OSU would be fine with me.
I assume if someone kicks him in the junk the entire game and iowa wins he’ll still be happy and not complain once about being kicked in the junk the whole game.
Getting a little tired of the “what we’re you expecting at the start of the season “ crowd. I don’t care at all what some were projecting this team to be. It’s the coach’s job to put a team on the court, and their job security should be judged on the success of that year’s team. Welcome to the NCAA in the 21st century.
doesn’t part of you look back at 2021 and think “well yeah, that team should have been better” ?
I’m sick of a coach that doesn’t know who to play, as well as being unable to realize the importance of defense and rebounding.
there are a lot more posters like me verbalizing it now. This may explain the constant negativity.
I’ll give you “some talent.” Not much, but some. But, what do you mean by “nothing to lose?” They lost a basketball game, something they’ve done a lot of this year.
I guess the fact that a big chunk of the fan base just doesn't like Fran and thinks his conduct is embarrassing is just too mind blowing for some posters. But it's really a very simple concept. It was the same for Alfraud and he almost won the conference his next to last season
I don't get the whole "Fran's conduct" criticism. From what I have seen, Fran runs the Iowa program with more integrity than about any other major college coach I have seen. I think that might be his biggest plus. Does he have a little fire during games, usually when Iowa is getting screwed? I hope so. If anything, maybe he should ride the officials a little more often, like some of the most successful B1G coaches...
That’s his problem. He is so demonstrative toward the refs, he loses it by yelling and screaming at them to the point of showing them up. Refs don’t like that and contributes to Iowa not getting calls when there should be no call or could go either way.
Pretty telling too when the media asked PMac what it was like without Fran on the sidelines during the Minny game, he said pretty quiet. Sounds like a message sent that you don’t have to yell and scream all the time at the refs, players, and clouds in the sky.
But Fran does do a great job outside of the games running the program. No one will question that. It’s just his sideline behavior that people don’t like. Count me as one of those people. Focus more on coaching and less on screaming while quietly working the officials when needed.
There are a lot of Iowa fans that deserve another Todd Lickliter.
Lickliter will be available at seasons end. Pathetic! Be careful what you wish for!
I don't know if this describes you or not but a lot of people who criticize Fran's demeanor don't attend games in person. Thus they only see Fran when they show him on TV, which is not that often. And usually when they do show him he is protesting a call or shouting instruction to a player. If you attend in person you would see Fran is calm as a cucumber probably 98% of the time. There are many coaches in the league way more volatile than Fran.
Although I think there is a lot of merit to what you are saying here I still believe his rants have possibly altered some of the less than stellar stripes that the BIG has on the court during games. For whatever reason the munchkin from MSU can berate officials and then conference with them and magically the tide changes.
Not an equal opportunity profession. Never has been, never will be.
if you’ve ever had seats right by the bench, you’d possibly change that opinion… but I don’t know, maybe you do have seats near the bench. I’ve used a friends seats before that are very close to the Iowa bench. I told my friend I couldn’t believe some of the things Fran was yelling. He tells me that’s the number one piece of feedback people give him about sitting in those seats. I realize that (like you) I’m just some guy sharing an opinion so I don’t expect anybody to agree with me.
I don't think I've seen other coaches as red faced, snapping clipboards, slamming chairs and getting nose to nose with players as I have seen Fran do. I didn't like it when Keady or Knight did it. I also don't like the whining and complaining that Hurley does. Izzo has pelts on the wall, Fran doesn't. That's the rub, coaches who actually have accomplishments can reference those accomplishments when their bad behavior or questionable coaching decisions come up. Fran has achieved average and all the other crap he does. He does a great job of positioning himself as above the off color recruiting, which for many fans give him a pass on his below average recruiting.
I’ve never seen another Big Ten coach blast the scoring table like Fran does. Him yelling at the PSU scorers table was embarrassing. It doesn’t help that Connor is a whiner on the floor and on Twitter.
If this is truly your reaction to watching Hawkeye games, I strongly suggest you take up knitting or something less painful for your disposition.
It's heartwarming to watch Izzo ream the refs the entire game and then have one or more of them come over to him, put their arm around him as if to say he'll try harder to call the game better.
That is odd you have not seen that. Happens all the time. I saw it in the Illinois vs Purdue game last night when they had shot clock issues. Brad Underwood nearly took apart the scoring table.
