Does KF normally include guys in multiple spots on the two deep?
Ex - Boone Myers listed as the #1 LG, but #2 LT.
Ex - Boone Myers listed as the #1 LG, but #2 LT.
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Or maybe McCarron didn't quit on the team! Talent is only 1 part of the equation!! I know you don't get this concept but I'm trying my best to help you.
Agreed. Also with the importance of strong blocking fullbacks, I hope the new guys can play at least as well as Plewa and Cox did.
I just posted that to get you into douchebag mode. Then I realized too late I don't need to post anything to get you into that mode.
Stereotypes become stereotypes because they are usually true. Usually isn't always which is stereotypes are only useful as predictors of behavior and performance and not as measures of a known individual's talent, behavior or what have you.
Hawks problem is the wide receivers, regardless of their race or ethnicity, are not particularly fast or quick so as to obtain separation.
Jay Scheel is the best wide receiver since Willie Guy.
Hawks problem is the wide receivers, regardless of their race or ethnicity, are not particularly fast or quick so as to obtain separation.
Jay Scheel is the best wide receiver since Willie Guy.
Character, work ethic, attitude, toughness, perseverence, multiple football skills necessary - Not just 40 time or height of receiver that makes teams and individuals successful.
Too bad coach ran him off we could really use him. He didn't want to sit behind lesser talents. Wadley is a much better back than Daniels, but only gets the carries if Daniels gets banged up
Laughable at best. Willies quit, period. One of my favorite quotes from a coach is Bear Bryant's, "I make my practices real hard because if a player is a quitter, I want him to quit in practice, not in a game"....pretty much sums up this case. Even if he was superior in talent I have sat several players who had more talent for several different reason, sometimes to light a fire under their ass so they can be great and not just be ok with being good, sometimes because they are just plain lazy, sometimes because they are bad teammates, sometimes because of character or academic issues...never the less if they quit (for what ever reason and especially in the mid of the season) I now know what type of character the kid really has. I think wadley's 1 fumble per 10 carries has been well documented, granted he did show the ability this season to hold on. Not only that Canzeri and Mitchell were the ones getting his carries more often than not and now that Canzeri used up his eligibility (and wadley proved he is not a liability) we will see his EARNED playing time next year. People also quickly forget that most were bitching about the scholarship offer because he was an unknown 2 star back from east coast that had his best offer from Temple, now they are claiming he is the next Freddie Russell. Long story short this is D1 football and just because you are 6'3" or can run like a deer doesn't mean you are entitled to play just because you are talented.....you have to EARN THAT SHIT! So sick of this entitled generation. Ask any former Iowa player and they will tell you the same. Go Hawks
Thank you Mile High!
I'm guessing Mr. Wadley will have a meeting like all players when they return. If Mr. Wadley wants to be a starter and featured back next year the ball is in his court. He is our most gifted back. Can he put on some weight by being discipline with his diet and can he put in the extra time/effort in the weight room it takes to be great. Mr. Willies had the same opportunity and HE chose to leave.
He did quit. And that's on him. And someone related to him (claimed to be at least) commented on Miller's website that he didn't have very good mentoring growing up so he has learned a hard lesson. He made a mistake and I hope he matures. If he doesn't he'll be another statistic. But Kirk and fans talk a lot about taking clay and making men out of them. DW is exactly the type who needs what people claim Kirk is best at it. AJ Derby had good parenting and even he couldn't see the truth. But Willies probably needed a different sort of tough luv education IMO. Okay, none of us know what really went down. And Willies quitting wasn't the answer. But he's a natural athlete with the type of WR skills Iowa really, really needs. I don't think it is unreasonable to question why his skills were used less than his classmate Vandeberg. Vandy is great at what he does. But T. Smith and DW on the field at the same time would've presented opponents with more headaches than TS and MV. Lazard/Darboh/Willies. All 3 in Iowa's backyard and none of them are Hawkeyes (yes I know their back-story, but still . . . ) People complain that Iowa doesn't have awesome skill talent because we're not in the south. To his credit Kirk does get quite a few talented skill players. For every Keenan Davis Iowa seems to deal with a B. Wegher syndrome. Supposedly Tim Dwight was almost on a plane leaving Iowa City when Hayden Fry talked him into staying. I wish Kirk would do more of that. As Kirk would say, "The margin for error in Iowa City is very small." I think that sentiment not only applies to execution, but it applies to player management. I'll end with this. I wish Willies was like Canzeri and had someone to give him good advice. But when that doesn't happen, I hope the coaches can be a surrogate father to some of these kids and give them the kind of compassion that was extended to James Ferentz.
I guess the biggest thing for me is that I would like to move on from this whole conversation, I think it is time to do so IMO. I mean we could hash out Ronnie's fumbles in 85' or we could get pissed off about the outback bowl "offsides" call if you would like, however; I for one would like to not constantly go down the same negative ass shit over and over again. Besides as you said, nobody knows what actually happened so we decide to discuss to nausea hypotheticals?
How do you know they didn't do this for Willies and he just refused to accept it? How do you know they didn't bend over backwards for the kid? How do you know they didn't give the kid every opportunity to succeed but he chose a different or easier path? It happens sometimes. You don't know what happened in this situation and neither do I. The difference is that you want to give a 19-20 yr old player with a history of quitting/transferring the benefit whereas I prefer to give a coach with 30 plus years of coaching experience and built up credibility the benefit of the doubt. It's pretty much the same thing with people that wanted to side with DJK over Coach Ferentz- a lot of he said, she said stuff with most of us not really knowing what or how things truly went down but a lot of people wanted to side with a player that exhibited selfishness and immaturity vs. a coach that seemed to be pretty consistent and thinking about the entire team and the big picture.. If you just look at how long Kirk has been in the business, his level of success, his consistency with his actions, the type of players he has developed as people, what other coaches, media members, etc, say about him and then compare it to a guy like DJK, what his reputation is, what former teammates have said about him, how he has lived his life, etc., there is no question about which guy I would choose to believe or follow if these two were at odds.
The tough part about these conversations is that not everyone (anyone?) knows all the details, so there's a huge variation in the degree of knowledge participants have about the topic. In this case, I've shared what I know about the situation, but readily admit that I don't know all the details.
I do know details about other situations involving KF and his player(s), and can vouch for the fact that he treats his players with fairness and gives them ample opportunity to rectify whatever transgression(s) they may have made. One of his key principles, though not explicitly stated by him, is that each player must take personal accountability for his actions. He recognizes that, although his players are men, they are young men, and as a result not all have the same level of maturity.
He, and his coaching staff, have done their best to give their players every opportunity to succeed in the situations I'm familiar with. I assume they treated Willies in this same way.
I do know details about other situations involving KF and his player(s), and can vouch for the fact that he treats his players with fairness and gives them ample opportunity to rectify whatever transgression(s) they may have made. One of his key principles, though not explicitly stated by him, is that each player must take personal accountability for his actions. He recognizes that, although his players are men, they are young men, and as a result not all have the same level of maturity.
He, and his coaching staff, have done their best to give their players every opportunity to succeed in the situations I'm familiar with. I assume they treated Willies in this same way.
It sounds like u sat behind the coaches son in 7th grade basketball and still hold a grudge.
Getting back to the PRESEASON 2 deeps. Kirk is no Hayden, but I don't think he's above using these to motivate guys. As others have pointed out the red shirt freshman will likely shake this up quite a bit, especially on the o-line.
The receivers will likely change a bit depending on who can block. It's very possible that if an incoming freshman can give us some pass rush they could be in the mix at DE.
While we will miss the kicker/punter combo we will have pretty good experience elsewhere on special teams.
It wouldn't surprise me to see some position shake ups before fall camp either.
There's a lot to feel good about, and other than Michigan we should have as much returning as anyone. If we get Ott we could challenge for the B1G title again.
The receivers will likely change a bit depending on who can block. It's very possible that if an incoming freshman can give us some pass rush they could be in the mix at DE.
While we will miss the kicker/punter combo we will have pretty good experience elsewhere on special teams.
It wouldn't surprise me to see some position shake ups before fall camp either.
There's a lot to feel good about, and other than Michigan we should have as much returning as anyone. If we get Ott we could challenge for the B1G title again.
Last year only one starter each on defense and offense changed from the January depth chart to the first Aug start.
I would expect that there were more changes with the back ups. Barring injuries I wouldn't expect many changes in the starters this year either.
I would expect some changes in the back ups and then when the season starts we may well see people play "out of order" when compared to the depth chart. If the pecking order didn't change in either spring or fall camps I would be surprised.
I would expect some changes in the back ups and then when the season starts we may well see people play "out of order" when compared to the depth chart. If the pecking order didn't change in either spring or fall camps I would be surprised.
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